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Post by kuatorises on Oct 16, 2018 15:56:41 GMT
I've caught clips of several of the movies over the years, particularly the first three, but never actually saw any of them from start to finish until the last year or so. I decided to sit down and watch the original one I saw was available for free on Amazon. I'm watching the movie, which I thought was very melodramatic (in a good way) and atmospheric and I am enjoying it until the final act just completely ruins it. Pinhead is literally the poster child for the series and not only is he barely in the original movie, is defeated extremely easily. Pinhead and his little S&M friends are literally chasing the main character around the house by walking slowly seemingly possible. When they catch up to her they'll just stand there while she solves the puzzle box that can send them back to their little hell dimension. It's the most anti-climatic thing I've ever seen. And he's the first of his crew defeated, LOL! I actually thought the movie was a really good up until this point, but it's completely negated and ruined by this matter of fact, anti-climatic, and laughable final act.
Then I catch part of the second one online and he is defeated by the doctor who literally just became a cenobite.
He is the worst iconic horror character ever created.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Oct 16, 2018 17:32:12 GMT
You may want to check out part 3. Pinhead is the main villain and he at his nastiest. That may be more of what you were expecting.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Oct 16, 2018 18:16:36 GMT
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Post by kingkoopa on Oct 16, 2018 20:07:21 GMT
I agree with him being probably his nastiest in part 3. He wasn't really meant to be a main villain in the first (that was meant to be Uncle Frank). Pinhead became one of those horror icons you'd see on VHS covers in the old rental stores, but he wasn't depicted like that Clive Barker's original short story, "The HellBound Heart." He's more impressive there. It's a decent read, especially if you like Barker's other stuff. You can read it here for free: photo.goodreads.com/documents/1240860240books/52635.pdf
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Post by Marv on Oct 16, 2018 20:32:10 GMT
Hes not really the villain.
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Post by James on Oct 16, 2018 20:43:27 GMT
Have to agree with kingkoopa and Marv on this one. In the first movie, he’s meant to be mysterious; a figure that makes you question his presence. Too bad the advertising falsely claimed him as the central focus. Yeah, he was defeated rather easily but the majority of the film is focused on Frank and Julia - the main villains - so when they die the story feels finished. It would make somewhat sense to kill off the Cenobites off so quickly because they no longer have a part in the story rather than to torment Kirsty because why the hell not. It makes the movie have this chaotic ending with all the destruction. However, I do agree that they handled the deaths of the Cenobites pretty poorly in the second film; one of the worse things about that one.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Oct 16, 2018 21:04:59 GMT
Great voice. Doug Bradley did sound evil
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 22:46:03 GMT
As others have said, Frank.is the main villain in the first. Pinhead doesn't even have a name in it, he's just credited as "Lead Cenobite". He became the poster child because he looks awesome and Doug Bradley is a scene stealer.
He is perhaps the most underutilized horror icon, though. He's a secondary villain in the first couple, then later sequels weren't written as Hellraiser movies so he just gets jammed in here and there. Now Bradley has left. Just a lot of missed opportunities for Pinhead to live up to his full potential.
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Post by Marv on Oct 16, 2018 22:56:12 GMT
Have to agree with kingkoopa and Marv on this one. In the first movie, he’s meant to be mysterious; a figure that makes you question his presence. Too bad the advertising falsely claimed him as the central focus. Yeah, he was defeated rather easily but the majority of the film is focused on Frank and Julia - the main villains - so when they die the story feels finished. It would make somewhat sense to kill off the Cenobites off so quickly because they no longer have a part in the story rather than to torment Kirsty because why the hell not. It makes the movie have this chaotic ending with all the destruction. However, I do agree that they handled the deaths of the Cenobites pretty poorly in the second film; one of the worse things about that one. Channards turn is one of my favorite things about the series tho. When he comes back outta the torture box as a cenobite and says something like 'And to think i hesitated...' relishing in his newfound ecstasy. I thought it was an awesome moment.
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Post by kuatorises on Oct 17, 2018 12:20:00 GMT
You consider the Leprechaun iconic?
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Post by kuatorises on Oct 17, 2018 12:22:19 GMT
Hes not really the villain. He sure as shit ain't the hero. He tries to kill the protagonist and is in the climax of the movie.
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Post by kuatorises on Oct 17, 2018 12:25:08 GMT
As others have said, Frank.is the main villain in the first. Pinhead doesn't even have a name in it, he's just credited as "Lead Cenobite". He became the poster child because he looks awesome and Doug Bradley is a scene stealer. He is perhaps the most underutilized horror icon, though. He's a secondary villain in the first couple, then later sequels weren't written as Hellraiser movies so he just gets jammed in here and there. Now Bradley has left. Just a lot of missed opportunities for Pinhead to live up to his full potential. He's not just underutilized. That's only part of it. He fucking sucks at his job too. He's beaten faaaar too easily. TWICE.
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Post by ravi02 on Oct 17, 2018 14:52:53 GMT
Again, he's not the actual villain in the first two films, dude. Frank and Julia were. He wasn't even a *villain*; just a tool used by Frank and Julia for their own twisted purposes to "feel" again. He was great in those two films due to Doug Bradley's line delivery and his lack of screentime made him more memorable, in my opinion.
He was unfortunately turned into the poster child of the series and a merchandisable figure for the Fangoria crowd by the early 90's. From #3 onwards, he became a body-pierced Freddy Krueger and they completely lost focus on what made him interesting in the first place.
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Post by kuatorises on Oct 17, 2018 18:12:32 GMT
I agree with him being probably his nastiest in part 3. He wasn't really meant to be a main villain in the first (that was meant to be Uncle Frank). Pinhead became one of those horror icons you'd see on VHS covers in the old rental stores, but he wasn't depicted like that Clive Barker's original short story, "The HellBound Heart." He's more impressive there. It's a decent read, especially if you like Barker's other stuff. You can read it here for free: photo.goodreads.com/documents/1240860240books/52635.pdfI'm not trying to argue whether he was a villain or the villain. That's not the conversation I'm trying have. When it comes to the box, he is obviously head dude in charge. He is tasked with anything that revolves around those who use the box. And he is literally the first of his crew defeated by Kirsty in the first one and dispatched by Channard in the 2nd. He's bad at his job. All that build up, the fear at the sight of him, the implied reputation, the voice, the cool makeup, great atmosphere it's all for nothing. It's all ruined because defeated easily each time he gets into a fight. It's worse than when Boba Fett dies.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2018 21:02:15 GMT
As others have said, Frank.is the main villain in the first. Pinhead doesn't even have a name in it, he's just credited as "Lead Cenobite". He became the poster child because he looks awesome and Doug Bradley is a scene stealer. He is perhaps the most underutilized horror icon, though. He's a secondary villain in the first couple, then later sequels weren't written as Hellraiser movies so he just gets jammed in here and there. Now Bradley has left. Just a lot of missed opportunities for Pinhead to live up to his full potential. He's not just underutilized. That's only part of it. He fucking sucks at his job too. He's beaten faaaar too easily. TWICE. So? Jason got taken out by a f**cking 11 year old Corey Feldman. Michael Myers got kung-fued by Busta Rhymes.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Oct 17, 2018 21:40:40 GMT
Pinhead never impressed me.
Here's a movie I would watch.
The trailer would start with Jason stalking through the woods with the familiar ch-ch-ch music playing until he stops--inexplicably seeing a fashionably dressed dark-haired woman with blank expression at the end of a white glassy tunnel. The music switches to a romantic aria sound with a woman singing in songbird mode. He follows her, and seemingly without any fear she waltzes into an adjoining room where Jason follows. The room is designed like a hockey net, but the netting is razor sharp, and it traps and constricts on him, cutting him to ribbons. We see a figure in white robes next to the woman fling a hockey puck into the net next to the mask.
Then we see Freddy in his boiler room set-and once again the woman appears, and Freddy follows her into a bedroom. He jumps on the bed and says something about "sweet dreams" and as he does, he realizes the bed is made of whipped cream. He starts sinking into the bed until he is totally smothered. The same white figure places a big cherry on the top of it by his hat.
Then Michael Myers appears. Same thing-he chases the care-free woman into a house. He thinks he corners her in a closet. But when he opens it, she is gone, and he is impaled on a giant rubber butcher knife. The same white figure puts a couple of wrapped candies on each of Michael's eye sockets.
Then we see an organ rising up from a floor. There's a mechanical band playing to the side of it. The white figure is seen at the organ, playing. He turns to the camera, it's Dr. Phibes. He's come back to get rid of all the horror movie stars that came after him.
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Post by fartyfartsalot on Oct 17, 2018 23:30:52 GMT
I only saw the first "Hellraiser" and that was enough.
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Post by Marv on Oct 17, 2018 23:52:25 GMT
Hes not really the villain. He sure as shit ain't the hero. He tries to kill the protagonist and is in the climax of the movie. He’s kind of an antihero...or a neutral antagonist.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 0:32:02 GMT
Nah, at least he was funny.
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