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Post by WarrenPeace on Oct 18, 2018 8:36:26 GMT
In the forest when Dr. Zander Rice confronts Logan, Rice says something like, "We created you," and Logan replies with like, "I killed your father."
Was this covered in any previous Wolverine or X-Men movies?
I haven't seen them all or forgotten certain parts of ones I watched once.
Because in X-2 Logan is getting clues to his past at that abandoned dam.
What was that all about? What did Stryker do to him there?
I thought Stryker created Wolverine?
Also, did the little girl kill the owner of the truck she used to get Logan to the clinic?
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Post by Marv on Oct 18, 2018 9:30:29 GMT
I think it’s mentioned his father was a weapon x scientist. So Wolverine killed a ton of people during his rampaging escape after he got his adamantium.
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Post by WarrenPeace on Oct 18, 2018 16:00:13 GMT
I think it’s mentioned his father was a weapon x scientist. So Wolverine killed a ton of people during his rampaging escape after he got his adamantium. OK but how does the place we see in X2 fit into the story? |
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Post by Marv on Oct 18, 2018 16:04:25 GMT
I think it’s mentioned his father was a weapon x scientist. So Wolverine killed a ton of people during his rampaging escape after he got his adamantium. OK but how does the place we see in X2 fit into the story? That was the same place, or supposed to be. They messed with the continuities a lot between the X films. |
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Post by WarrenPeace on Oct 18, 2018 16:19:33 GMT
OK but how does the place we see in X2 fit into the story? That was the same place, or supposed to be. They messed with the continuities a lot between the X films. Have you seen every X-Man related movie? So I didn't missing anything by not? In X-2 Logan left Stryker to die or be killed by the flood. So who was this father of Dr. Rice he killed? Does your second sentence explain that? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 16:57:59 GMT
I know none of the answers except that Stryker only inject him with adamantium. "creator" may refer to who actually caused his birth/mutation.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 18, 2018 17:18:19 GMT
That was the same place, or supposed to be. They messed with the continuities a lot between the X films. Have you seen every X-Man related movie? So I didn't missing anything by not? In X-2 Logan left Stryker to die or be killed by the flood. So who was this father of Dr. Rice he killed? Does your second sentence explain that? None of X2 happened after Days of Future Past. The assumption is Mystique killed/imprisoned Stryker and took Wolverine although she may have lost him to the Weapon X program anyway as he shows up in Apocalypse. The Weapon X program was comprised of tons of scientists and Logan killed/maimed a ton of people. Rice could be the kid of any number of scientists that were unfortunate enough to be in the room when Logan woke up. |
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Post by WarrenPeace on Oct 18, 2018 17:28:06 GMT
Have you seen every X-Man related movie? So I didn't missing anything by not? In X-2 Logan left Stryker to die or be killed by the flood. So who was this father of Dr. Rice he killed? Does your second sentence explain that? None of X2 happened after Days of Future Past. The assumption is Mystique killed/imprisoned Stryker and took Wolverine although she may have lost him to the Weapon X program anyway as he shows up in Apocalypse. The Weapon X program was comprised of tons of scientists and Logan killed/maimed a ton of people. Rice could be the kid of any number of scientists that were unfortunate enough to be in the room when Logan woke up. Does everything that you mentioned happen in Days of Future Past? And how can or did they erase the events of X2? These movies get really complicated. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 18, 2018 17:46:07 GMT
None of X2 happened after Days of Future Past. The assumption is Mystique killed/imprisoned Stryker and took Wolverine although she may have lost him to the Weapon X program anyway as he shows up in Apocalypse. The Weapon X program was comprised of tons of scientists and Logan killed/maimed a ton of people. Rice could be the kid of any number of scientists that were unfortunate enough to be in the room when Logan woke up. Does everything that you mentioned happen in Days of Future Past? And how can or did they erase the events of X2? These movies get really complicated. The XMen movies as far as storyline goes are atrocious so even if everything was answered based on what is unknown, there would still be gaping holes in the plot. Thinking to much about it makes me angry since it was stuff that was easily fixable and especially if they had just followed the comic book. I digress… In Days Of Future Past, an unconscious Logan is taken into captivity by Stryker. However, it is revealed this is actually Mystique. I don't consider this a spoiler since it is not pertinent to the story nor is this scene carried over in any way to the next movie or Logan. They never explain what happens to Stryker or who continued the Weapon X program. FAKE EDIT: Actually, I think Stryker actually was there, so they never explain how he got him back from Mystique. Days of Future Past erased the timeline from all previous X-Men movies prior to it except First Class which preceded the events of it. |
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Post by WarrenPeace on Oct 18, 2018 17:58:19 GMT
Does everything that you mentioned happen in Days of Future Past? And how can or did they erase the events of X2? These movies get really complicated. The XMen movies as far as storyline goes are atrocious so even if everything was answered based on what is unknown, there would still be gaping holes in the plot. Thinking to much about it makes me angry since it was stuff that was easily fixable and especially if they had just followed the comic book. I digress… In Days Of Future Past, an unconscious Logan is taken into captivity by Stryker. However, it is revealed this is actually Mystique. I don't consider this a spoiler since it is not pertinent to the story nor is this scene carried over in any way to the next movie or Logan. They never explain what happens to Stryker or who continued the Weapon X program. FAKE EDIT: Actually, I think Stryker actually was there, so they never explain how he got him back from Mystique. Days of Future Past erased the timeline from all previous X-Men movies prior to it except First Class which preceded the events of it. Hoo boy. So even if I watched all the X movies back to back, it still won't exactly answer everything or there are things they didn't show but are talked about and we just have to fill in the gaps ourselves? I don't remember which one it was, but didn't Professor X die before and now somehow he is alive in Logan? |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Oct 18, 2018 18:00:26 GMT
Don't bother trying to make sense of the Xmen timeline, it's one big clusterfuck
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 18, 2018 18:24:33 GMT
The XMen movies as far as storyline goes are atrocious so even if everything was answered based on what is unknown, there would still be gaping holes in the plot. Thinking to much about it makes me angry since it was stuff that was easily fixable and especially if they had just followed the comic book. I digress… In Days Of Future Past, an unconscious Logan is taken into captivity by Stryker. However, it is revealed this is actually Mystique. I don't consider this a spoiler since it is not pertinent to the story nor is this scene carried over in any way to the next movie or Logan. They never explain what happens to Stryker or who continued the Weapon X program. FAKE EDIT: Actually, I think Stryker actually was there, so they never explain how he got him back from Mystique. Days of Future Past erased the timeline from all previous X-Men movies prior to it except First Class which preceded the events of it. Hoo boy. So even if I watched all the X movies back to back, it still won't exactly answer everything or there are things they didn't show but are talked about and we just have to fill in the gaps ourselves? I don't remember which one it was, but didn't Professor X die before and now somehow he is alive in Logan? My opinion is watch X-Men & X2 & First Class if continuity is important to you. Otherwise just watch each of them as if they are alternate universe versions. Days of Future Past is supposed to be a bridge all of it but it creates the greatest amount of confusion and is far worse than the credit it gets. |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Oct 18, 2018 18:28:32 GMT
Hoo boy. So even if I watched all the X movies back to back, it still won't exactly answer everything or there are things they didn't show but are talked about and we just have to fill in the gaps ourselves? I don't remember which one it was, but didn't Professor X die before and now somehow he is alive in Logan? My opinion is watch X-Men & X2 & First Class if continuity is important to you. Otherwise just watch each of them as if they are alternate universe versions. Days of Future Past is supposed to be a bridge all of it but it creates the greatest amount of confusion and is far worse than the credit it gets. Days was by far the weakest of the prequels, just a bloated mess. |
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Post by WarrenPeace on Oct 18, 2018 18:33:02 GMT
Hoo boy. So even if I watched all the X movies back to back, it still won't exactly answer everything or there are things they didn't show but are talked about and we just have to fill in the gaps ourselves? I don't remember which one it was, but didn't Professor X die before and now somehow he is alive in Logan? My opinion is watch X-Men & X2 & First Class if continuity is important to you. Otherwise just watch each of them as if they are alternate universe versions. Days of Future Past is supposed to be a bridge all of it but it creates the greatest amount of confusion and is far worse than the credit it gets. Thanx and I appreciate you taking the time to chat with me on this. Yeah, it started to become a big mess after X2. I never understood the explanation what happened to Jean. Care to address this other question I have in the OP? Also, did the little girl kill the owner of the truck she used to get Logan to the clinic? |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 18, 2018 18:38:53 GMT
My opinion is watch X-Men & X2 & First Class if continuity is important to you. Otherwise just watch each of them as if they are alternate universe versions. Days of Future Past is supposed to be a bridge all of it but it creates the greatest amount of confusion and is far worse than the credit it gets. Thanx and I appreciate you taking the time to chat with me on this. Yeah, it started to become a big mess after X2. I never understood the explanation what happened to Jean. Care to address this other question I have in the OP? Also, did the little girl kill the owner of the truck she used to get Logan to the clinic?Unfortunately I don't remember. I only saw it once and while the look and feel of the film are great, I didn't pay much attention to the story which felt like it was written primarily to give him a proper R-Rated sendoff. |
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Post by WarrenPeace on Oct 18, 2018 18:44:49 GMT
Thanx and I appreciate you taking the time to chat with me on this. Yeah, it started to become a big mess after X2. I never understood the explanation what happened to Jean. Care to address this other question I have in the OP? Also, did the little girl kill the owner of the truck she used to get Logan to the clinic?Unfortunately I don't remember. I only saw it once and while the look and feel of the film are great, I didn't pay much attention to the story which felt like it was written primarily to give him a proper R-Rated sendoff. If she did kill the owner it would have been offscreen. |
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Post by Marv on Oct 18, 2018 18:55:08 GMT
That was the same place, or supposed to be. They messed with the continuities a lot between the X films. Have you seen every X-Man related movie? So I didn't missing anything by not? In X-2 Logan left Stryker to die or be killed by the flood. So who was this father of Dr. Rice he killed? Does your second sentence explain that? The Wolverine origins movie shows him getting his adamantium skeleton. There are dozens of scientists assisting Stryker in the process. I assume one of the ones killed was Rice’s father. I thought it explained so in Logan but it’s been a while since seeing it. |
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Post by Vits on Oct 18, 2018 21:36:53 GMT
I don't remember which one it was, but didn't Professor X die before and now somehow he is alive in Logan? He died in X-MEN 3: THE LAST STAND. However, that movie had a post-credits scene showing that he had transferred his mind to another body. He then showed up in the post-credits scene of THE WOLVERINE. Even if he hadn't done that, as explained in previous posts, the timeline in which he died was erased at the end of DAYS OF FUTURE PAST. |
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Post by WarrenPeace on Oct 19, 2018 1:04:38 GMT
I don't remember which one it was, but didn't Professor X die before and now somehow he is alive in Logan? He died in X-MEN 3: THE LAST STAND. However, that movie had a post-credits scene showing that he had transferred his mind to another body. He then showed up in the post-credits scene of THE WOLVERINE. Even if he hadn't done that, as explained in previous posts, the timeline in which he died was erased at the end of DAYS OF FUTURE PAST. How can that happen? I guess you just have to suspend all disbelief for these movies and not try to connect one to the other. |
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Post by politicidal on Oct 19, 2018 2:59:04 GMT
Ask Summer8, he's the expert.
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