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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 4:17:55 GMT
"Friends of space, how are you all? Have you eaten yet?
The Arecibo Message is a 1974 interstellar radio message carrying basic information about humanity and Earth sent to globular star cluster M13 and the Voyager messages have Instructions, in symbolic language that attempt to explain the origin of the spacecraft.
Luckily or not, unless intercepted, Pioneer 10 is headed in the general direction of the star Aldebaran (part of the Taurus constellation) (which it will "reach" in about 2 million years), and Pioneer 11 "should pass close to the nearest star in the constellation Aquila in about 4 million years and the Arecibo Message will arrive at the M13 star cluster 24,963 years from now.
Since we seem to be rapidly advancing in Technology and Space travel, this has not had a noticeable effect on our base cultural habits of warfare and resource exploitation and over-population. Would faster than light travel, if suddenly discovered today, change all of this and why would we expect this of another further advanced galactic civilization.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 22:38:55 GMT
I know we can't stop regular radiowave transmissions from escaping the atmosphere, but it was stupid to send out specific welcome wagon messages. Should have left the lights off and pretended nobody's home.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 23:38:02 GMT
I know we can't stop regular radiowave transmissions from escaping the atmosphere, but it was stupid to send out specific welcome wagon messages. Should have left the lights off and pretended nobody's home. Since our new goal in space is the eventual colonization of Mars which is a barren-ass wasteland, you could just imagine what this nice, warm, inviting, fairly geologically stable planet would look like to those who encountered those messages and turn their 12 gangling photo-receptors our innocent way. But my most reasoned guess is that a race that figures out faster-than-light space travel, would be so far advanced that they should of solved most of their pressing social-economic problems and pure science would be the main pursuit of their civilization and we probably would be studied as a curiosity like we study chimps and our natural development would be more stimulating to them then interfering. Then again, if they have some-kind of guiding idealogical motives behind their arrival, like Imperial space fanatics, why would we even chance a meeting with something so far beyond us that we could only throw bananas back.
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Post by politicidal on Mar 29, 2017 0:33:56 GMT
No.
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Post by Ass_E9 on Mar 30, 2017 19:26:04 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 23:21:12 GMT
They are unlikely to strip mine us.
There is really nothing on earth that wouldn't be abundant all over the universe, perhaps we have some life forms that are unique to our planet, but if they want to take our cockroaches or spiders then they have my blessing.
And I can't really see much benefit to enslaving us either, they would presumably be way ahead of us technologically if they are capable of enslaving us, in which case we would be of little benefit to them. Unless we're progressing much at a much faster rate than they were, but they just happen to have a massive head start, in which case they might have already have enslaved us! der der der der der (I'm humming the tune to the Twilight Zone).
I think they'd be more likely to covertly study us or obliterate us though in a pre-emptive attack before we give them an ass whooping of all ass whoopings.
But no, I'm more concerned about AI on our own planet than aliens in all honesty.
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Post by marsexplorer on Mar 31, 2017 11:32:00 GMT
They are unlikely to strip mine us. There is really nothing on earth that wouldn't be abundant all over the universe, perhaps we have some life forms that are unique to our planet, but if they want to take our cockroaches or spiders then they have my blessing. The one thing that is abundant on Earth and not in the Universe is liquid water. Edit: Maybe they would want Earth's metal core like in Independence Day:Resurgence. Life imitates the movies you know.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 13:29:25 GMT
They are unlikely to strip mine us. There is really nothing on earth that wouldn't be abundant all over the universe, perhaps we have some life forms that are unique to our planet, but if they want to take our cockroaches or spiders then they have my blessing. The one thing that is abundant on Earth and not in the Universe is liquid water. Edit: Maybe they would want Earth's metal core like in Independence Day:Resurgence. Life imitates the movies you know. Well you don't know that, but even if there isn't, there is almost certainly plenty of frozen water nearer to them than we are, there is shit loads of the stuff in our solar system, so if they are capable of travelling all the way to earth, then I'm sure they're capable of melting some ice. So I don't really see them coming for our water.
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Post by marsexplorer on Mar 31, 2017 14:25:12 GMT
The one thing that is abundant on Earth and not in the Universe is liquid water. Edit: Maybe they would want Earth's metal core like in Independence Day:Resurgence. Life imitates the movies you know. Well you don't know that, but even if there isn't, there is almost certainly plenty of frozen water nearer to them than we are, there is shit loads of the stuff in our solar system, so if they are capable of travelling all the way to earth, then I'm sure they're capable of melting some ice. So I don't really see them coming for our water. I do know that and if you understood and followed Astronomy you would too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 14:52:14 GMT
Well you don't know that, but even if there isn't, there is almost certainly plenty of frozen water nearer to them than we are, there is shit loads of the stuff in our solar system, so if they are capable of travelling all the way to earth, then I'm sure they're capable of melting some ice. So I don't really see them coming for our water. I do know that and if you understood and followed Astronomy you would too. "and if you understood and followed Astronomy you would too."  Christ, who do you think you are speaking to me like that?  Listen Mars, if you followed astronomy you'd know there are shit loads of stars out there. And orbiting these stars we've already discovered shit loads of planets in that so called "habitual zone" i.e. the zone where liquid water can hypothetically be sustained. It would be pretty much a statistical impossibility for there NOT to be plenty of liquid water out there. (Although that's not to say there is life). But all this is besides the point, because there is no need to come all the way to earth for our water when there is plenty of frozen water closer by for ET. Let's put it this way, if this planet needed liquid water for whatever reason, do we mine it from a star light years away, or do we get it from within this solar system? The choice is pretty obvious. Now if you want to argue the toss about the definition of "abundant" then be my guest, but such arguments are beneath me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 2:11:18 GMT
There is the issue of colonization, the planets stability is a major resource, assuming that they can breath our atmosphere. The need for raw building materials is less likely as there are meteorites and moons that are far richer in minerals than our planet and zero gravity to harvest them from. As far as enslaving the human race? Advanced robots would work 24/7 and can service themselves, so who needs to bother or the constant clean-up. Lot's of food here for the taking- including us but food resources have already been solved by our level of technology, we just can't control population and the inequality of resource distribution. We might make a good interstellar base or spaceport, the climate is great for that and we have nice beaches and some good surfing, though liquid methane is a bit trickier and hardcore. 
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Post by johnblutarsky on Apr 5, 2017 15:37:10 GMT
Aliens might be friendly. But let's hope they do not land in the U.S. and ask "Take me to your leader."
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Post by permutojoe on Apr 13, 2017 1:09:56 GMT
I'm not sure about friendly. If they're doing inter-galactic travel they'd view us in much the same way that we view ants. Interstellar travel then they would probably view us like we view chimps. It's not that either wouldn't want to have a conversation with us per se, but that we'd be too stupid to talk about anything of interest to them.
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Post by xystophoros on Apr 24, 2017 3:39:36 GMT
1) FTL ain't never gonna happenIt's a science fiction thing, and usually a bad science fiction thing. People have no concept of what's required just to get to, say, 15 percent the speed of light, which would be a monumental fucking achievement in the history of the human race. Every proposed method of FTL is deep into the theoretical realm, precisely because that's where scientists can discuss ridiculous ideas with relative impunity. We're talking about proposals based on other theoretical tech that not only is way beyond our grasp, but may never come to fruition. Right around here is usually where someone comes in with, "You just need to have an open mind, man! Anything is possible if you put your mind to it!" as if you can assemble the greatest minds in human history, give them a good pep talk, and wait for them to build you a warp drive. 2) If an intelligent civilization is capable of reaching Earth, there is nothing we possess that they could possibly wantSeriously, the energy required to get here would exceed the combined energy all of the human race could muster. Interstellar travel requires stellar mastery or at least something like Bussard ramjets (ramscoops) that collect fuel from the interstellar medium. A civilization with those capabilities isn't going to concern itself with a primitive civilization that still scrapes energy from dead plants, with members who cannot stop murdering themselves long enough to speak with one voice. As Michio Kaku has said, the biggest danger with aliens isn't that they're going to invade us, or take our planet, or eat us -- the biggest danger is that they won't even notice us, and we'll get "paved over." In other words, maybe they'd use our solar system for raw materials, or carve through the immediate neighborhood for some inscrutable purpose. When we build our highways, do we stop to consider how we'll impact the lives of ants? I'm not sure about friendly. If they're doing inter-galactic travel they'd view us in much the same way that we view ants. Interstellar travel then they would probably view us like we view chimps. It's not that either wouldn't want to have a conversation with us per se, but that we'd be too stupid to talk about anything of interest to them. Homo sapiens has existed for about 200,000 years. At light speed it would take 2.5 million light years just to reach the outer spiral of the next-closest galaxy, Andromeda. At sublight we're talking about millions upon millions of years to get there...long enough for ten thousand civilizations to rise and fall during the journey. Safe to say we will never meet an intelligence from another galaxy, and there is no motivation for even a hyper-advanced civilization to leave its own galaxy to explore another. The distance is just too great.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 3:41:38 GMT
You mean Mexicans or ISIS or who?
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Post by xystophoros on Apr 24, 2017 3:48:24 GMT
They are unlikely to strip mine us. There is really nothing on earth that wouldn't be abundant all over the universe, perhaps we have some life forms that are unique to our planet, but if they want to take our cockroaches or spiders then they have my blessing. And I can't really see much benefit to enslaving us either, they would presumably be way ahead of us technologically if they are capable of enslaving us, in which case we would be of little benefit to them. Unless we're progressing much at a much faster rate than they were, but they just happen to have a massive head start, in which case they might have already have enslaved us! der der der der der (I'm humming the tune to the Twilight Zone). I think they'd be more likely to covertly study us or obliterate us though in a pre-emptive attack before we give them an ass whooping of all ass whoopings. But no, I'm more concerned about AI on our own planet than aliens in all honesty. AI is another thing that's not happening, at least any time soon. Noam Chomsky and Michio Kaku are both much more measured on the subject than enthusiasts like Ray Kurzweil, and from a design perspective, creating a true AI would really be akin to trying for godhood, and would be the most massive and difficult undertaking in the history of the human race. Of course, I'm talking about actual AI. The stuff we call "AI" right now is not real AI because it's not intelligent -- it's designed to appear intelligent, but fundamentally it's no different than a chatbot or a video game NPC. That is, the "AI" doesn't understand the conversation, it doesn't understand the words, it doesn't realize it is engaging in a conversation, it doesn't know that it exists, it doesn't think at all. It's just a piece of tech coded to trick the user into thinking they are communicating with a machine, through tricks and clever algorithms. The intelligence is in the people who design those AIs, not the "AIs" themselves.
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Post by JHA Durant on Apr 24, 2017 11:56:49 GMT
No.
Look at what happened when European explorers/colonists arrived in the New World, and apply that to the aliens and us. Also, if they view us as that insignificant, what's stopping them from just nuking us or dropping something really big on Earth?
If they're in the business of looking for a new planet to call home (AKA Independence Day, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, Footfall etc), more than likely Earth would fit the criteria very nicely, and they'll do whatever they have to in order to come out on top.
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Post by permutojoe on Apr 25, 2017 11:20:48 GMT
As far as the time and distance problems, it's not hard to envision these being minimized by hyper-advanced beings, perhaps ones that are no longer dependent on short-lived organic vehicles. Given what we currently know about the universe, which is essentially nothing, it's a bit premature to rule out faster than light travel. As for the issue of motivation to leave one's galaxy, you're right. I got nothing. What would hyper-intelligent beings do all day anyway? Exploring other galaxies would become a banality at some point. Maybe attempting to transform the universe in some fundamental way or even leave it, if such a thing even made sense to talk about. Neither of these seems like it would require travel to another galaxy though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 1:32:47 GMT
They are unlikely to strip mine us. There is really nothing on earth that wouldn't be abundant all over the universe So? North America had nothing that could not be found in abundance in Europe. Yet Europeans came to the continent anyway, and that didn't go well for the locals. And Earth does have things which are potentially rare - an environment that can support life. A huge amount of complex proteins. And then there could be cultural or religious style motivations beyond our comprehension. How would you explain the reasons behind World War II to a caveman?
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Post by DarkManX on May 1, 2017 2:48:50 GMT
Even if they were hostile I doubt there's anything we could do to fight them off. I think they'd scan us real quick and then take off to study their findings.
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