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Post by darkpast on Oct 27, 2018 5:03:12 GMT
I think MTV killed film in a way. It has never recovered even if the quality of acting has gotten better.
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Post by OldAussie on Oct 27, 2018 5:10:47 GMT
Film is still art.
It's simply mostly of poor quality. But it probably always has been.
Um.....unconvinced.
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Post by darkpast on Oct 27, 2018 5:17:29 GMT
maybe not, but classics in modern era seem to require good acting, not always required in well regarded films of the past |
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Oct 27, 2018 5:21:39 GMT
There are films that are art.
There are films that engulf a wide range of what films are, and sometimes partially will have artistic content
There are films that are just conveyer belt films
And there are are films that are pure crap.
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Post by mslo79 on Oct 27, 2018 6:40:15 GMT
I would disagree as I think you got more 'art' level of movies from today into the past for quite a few decades.
NOTE: there are not many movies that stand out visually that are also a stand out movie in general.
p.s. but in general... the 2000's are my clear cut #1 decade for movies overall.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 6:58:48 GMT
There are films that are art. There are films that engulf a wide range of what films are, and sometimes partially will have artistic content There are films that are just conveyer belt films And there are are films that are pure crap. I just have one question, the film ace ventura pet detective: Where would that one be among the four categories? |
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Oct 27, 2018 7:10:10 GMT
There are films that are art. There are films that engulf a wide range of what films are, and sometimes partially will have artistic content There are films that are just conveyer belt films And there are are films that are pure crap. I just have one question, the film ace ventura pet detective: Where would that one be among the four categories? The 2nd one. |
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Post by kevin on Oct 27, 2018 7:23:13 GMT
Film in itself is an art form so I think that all films are a type of art. Some are what you would call 'conveyer belt films', which is still art but usually of a poorer quality. Most movies sit somewhere in between those two. I think this is the case in every creative product: books, music, paintings etc. Within all of those categories there are truly beautiful highly artistic products and basic products.
I think that with art you mean the highly artistic movies. I wouldn't say there are less high-art movies nowadays. There might even be more, since it's easier to discover more artsy indie movies since the arrival of the internet. Just this year we've had movies like Annihilation, Hereditary, High-Life, Suspiria etc. And there are even blockbusters with a high art level, look at Mission: Impossible - Fallout. A movie doesn't need to be slow-paced and meditative in order to qualify as artistic. Just as in music: I'd call music by some artists like Jimi Hendrix, King Crimson, The Beatles from the 60s just as artistic as classical music, which is usually what people think of when you say artistic music. Even today artistic music is still being made. I'd call some hip-hop music nowadays artistic (I know there is also an enormous amount of trash hip-hop music), like To Pimp a Butterfly by Kendrick Lamar. But I'm veering off course. Concerning movies we've had Birdman, Arrival, The Tree of Life, Enter the Void, Her, Under the Skin and more just this decade. If those aren't considered art, then I don't know what is.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 27, 2018 12:53:56 GMT
MTV was founded in the 80s and that decade did just fine. Just more of the same nineties bashing.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Oct 27, 2018 13:06:23 GMT
"Film Was Art Until The 90s?"
Add to the "Stupid Things We Could Say" list.
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Post by mslo79 on Oct 29, 2018 7:48:28 GMT
Toasted CheeseIt's simply because the movies I find most all around enjoyable to watch are from the 2000's. so I don't really see things in terms of breaking new ground etc as like I always say, movies are not really about doing original stuff but taking a idea that's already been done and doing it well. or look at it this way... movies can only evolve so much before things will start to pretty much peak from a making them point of view. that's probably what's mostly happened in more recent times is that your not really going to see new ground broke etc like you did decades ago. because how much further can they really go in this regard? so basically, it's like I said, you need to take a idea that's already been done but do it will so people remember your movie etc. I am 39 years old for whatever that's worth. so while I might not be old enough for the 'old days', I am old enough to where I am basically a full generation (i.e. say about 20 years) ahead of many young movie viewers of today. so while I am closer to younger than not, I do have a little age on me  hell, while someones age might have some effect on what they like etc... I figure one ultimately just needs to watch plenty of movies as then they can see what really stands out for them vs 'just another movie' sort of thing. in this regard, I think I am easily solid enough. I have seen over 2,200 movies. that won't break any records but it's not like I have barely seen anything either. but I will say the vast majority of movies I have seen are generally from the 1990's to date with some in the 60's/70's/80's and very little before that. but I doubt I would change my opinion much had I seen quite a few pre-1960's movies as I feel, as a general rule. movies prior to the 1960's are a bit dated and too different from more modern standards (I have only one movie in My Favorite Movies that's pre-1960's. so 187 out of the 188 movies are from the 1960's to date). I know that's just my personal preference and all but I doubt I am the only person who feels this way in that they generally avoid old movies. NOTE: I know what's a "old movie" will vary from person to person and all but you get the gist or another thing ill say... the 1990's to date make up a large portion of my top movies. in fact, there are 188 movies that are good enough for me to make 'My Favorite Movies' (i.e. which is everything I score a 7/10 or higher) and out of those things break down like this... -post-1990 = 148 movies (78.7%) -pre-1990 = 40 movies (21.3%) so as you can see... damn near 8 out of 10 movies in My Favorite Movies is from the 1990's to date. if I shift it to a pre vs post 2000, it still favors the more recent movies (at least in terms of volume of movies), just not as much... -post-2000 = 108 movies (57.4%) -pre-2000 = 80 movies (42.6%) so this time around things are competitive but it still favors the 2000's to date vs pre-2000's, at least in terms of volume of movies. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- or to rank the decades in more detail for you here is how things rank for me... I rank the decades like this OVERALL (this is well thought out for me)... 1)2000's (four 10/10, five 9/10, fifteen solid 8/10, thirteen 7.5-8/10, twenty 7/10. total of 57 movies.) 2)1990's (one 10/10, four 9/10, nine solid 8/10, thirteen 7.5-8/10, thirteen 7/10. total of 40 movies.) 3)2010's (zero 10/10, three 9/10, three solid 8/10, eleven 7.5-8/10, thirty-four 7/10. total of 51 movies.) 4)1980's (zero 10/10, one 9/10, two solid 8/10, seven 7.5-8/10, eleven 7/10. total of 21 movies.) 5)1960's (three 10/10, one 9/10, zero solid 8/10, two 7.5-8/10, three 7/10. total of 9 movies.) 6)1970's (zero 10/10, zero 9/10, one solid 8/10, three 7.5-8/10, five 7/10. total of 9 movies.) after those six decades things drop off a cliff. but I would put the 1940's in the 7th spot solely because it's the only decade pre-1960's that has one of my favorite movies. so basically the decades listed above make up for my top 187 movies out of the 188 total which, like I just mentioned, the 1940's has the only single movie pre-1960's. NOTE: if things were closer using the method I did to judge the overall quality of the decades I had other ways to help narrow it down further. NOTE: the 1990's and 2010's are close (they are the closest to flip-flopping) but I ultimately sided with the 1990's over the 2010's because of the higher tier movies of the 1990's being enough to compensate for the higher volume of total movies the 2010's has. but there is still another year or two left so it's still possible the 2010's could overtake the 1990's overall but I doubt it.
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Post by kingkoopa on Oct 29, 2018 8:19:40 GMT
If you haven't, watch "SLC Punk." Whether or not you're into that lifestyle, I'm guessing it will ring you like a gong...in a good way. Sincerely, 40-nothin, broke all three of my shins skating/BMX when I was younger. Movies were the breath of fresh air. "SLC" was the "Donnie Darko" "Donnie Darko" could have been. SLC" is a must-see for pretty much anyone between genX and millenial.
Anyway, I think you'll dig it. "SLC Punk"
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Post by mslo79 on Oct 29, 2018 13:06:56 GMT
Toasted CheeseYeah, that's about right with maybe a little before the 1980's here and there. I tend to re-watch plenty of movies in general as any movies of any real worth for me (i.e. basically everything I score a 7 or higher) I tend to re-watch at least once every few years or so. so it's not like anything I thought highly of in the 80's and 90's is some nostalgia thing inflating my opinion of them. in fact, I think a decent portion of what I used to think a bit more highly of, has taken a hit for me. but some movies still hold up. the vast majority of movies I have seen would be from the 1990's to date. but it makes me wonder whether people in general do this stuff in that they mostly stick to whatever is recent for them, say the last 20 years or so(?), or say those people who are like 20 years younger than myself, maybe they see movies prior to the 1990's as 'too old' etc(?). I would not be surprised if the masses in general largely stick to more recent movies (say the last 10-20 years) short of some classics from a while back. Maybe, but we all like what we all like. I just find it more difficult to get into movies made prior to the 1960's as a general guideline with their overall style etc on what little I have seen with only one movie being the exception to the rule so far which is The Song of Bernadette (1943). so if there are some other solid movies pre-1960's, I don't think it will be easy for me to find them without potentially having to watch a bunch of mostly forgettable movies to 'maybe' find a decent gem. that's kind of why I am in no rush and I just watch whatever I watch and whatever happens, happens. basically... I feel have largely exhausted seeing movies from the past that I would find of any real worth especially when you just look at my basic info straight up in that only about 10%-ish tops of movies I have seen stand out to me. so about 1 out of every 10 I have seen over the long term. although I like about 25% (tops) of everything I have seen. so about 1 out of ever 4 movies I have seen. Sure, but that's one area I think more recent-ish movies do much better is conveying much more emotional punch vs old movies. like if you compare 1960's to date vs pre-1960's... I don't even think it's close, at all. or if you took the masses and asked them which movies do they like overall more between post-1960's vs pre-1960's, I would expect the post-1960's to dominate for the vast majority of people in terms of movies as a whole. p.s. what ultimately makes movies for me is ones that can deliver a solid level of enjoyment etc which boils down to a emotional response/feeling they give me.
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Post by mslo79 on Oct 30, 2018 4:31:25 GMT
Toasted CheeseYep. I always wonder how someones general life experiences, or genetics, or maybe education level etc etc, effect what kinds of movies they enjoy. but I imagine this stuff is quite complex. Yeah, maybe ill change further as I age as I would not be surprised especially given I noticed some movies I used to think a bit more highly of not all that long ago are nothing special for me anymore etc. I would not be surprised if there are some gems from the past that I would score a 7/10 (or so) but, like I have mentioned before in these forums here and there, it won't be easy to find them and ill likely have to watch a bunch of mostly forgettable movies to maybe find one of those gems here and there. but with that said... we shall see how things play out as the years pass thanks for your time.
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Post by moviemouth on Oct 30, 2018 4:44:48 GMT
Toasted Cheese Yep. I always wonder how someones general life experiences, or genetics, or maybe education level etc etc, effect what kinds of movies they enjoy. but I imagine this stuff is quite complex. Yeah, maybe ill change further as I age as I would not be surprised especially given I noticed some movies I used to think a bit more highly of not all that long ago are nothing special for me anymore etc. I would not be surprised if there are some gems from the past that I would score a 7/10 (or so) but, like I have mentioned before in these forums here and there, it won't be easy to find them and ill likely have to watch a bunch of mostly forgettable movies to maybe find one of those gems here and there. but with that said... we shall see how things play out as the years pass thanks for your time. I was 30 when I started to watch and really appreciate pre-1960s films, so if it hasn't happened for you by now I don't think it will ever happen. I have had 3 big leaps in movie appreciation so far. Age 14 - when I realized the power and artistry of film Age 25 - when I started watching and loving non English language movies Age 30 - when I started to watch and appreciate a lot more pre-1970s movies |
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Post by mslo79 on Oct 30, 2018 7:52:33 GMT
moviemouth thanks for the info. Yeah, I suspect your right as I don't expect ill suddenly like pre-1960's movies all that much (as a general guideline) even though it's possible I could still see one here and there as the years/decades pass. but I think, for the most part, at this point in time I mainly watch recent movies on forward. I would have been about 23-24 years old (i.e. 2003) when the general volume of movies I watched started to noticeably increase as before that time I seen a movie here and there but I was more into video games as a whole at that time. so I guess I could say prior to the early 2000's, while I still seen a fair amount of movies, it took years for me to evolve before I finally tweaked my rating system so it's more properly used as back in the day, I, like I suspect many others around IMDb do, handed out high scores (i.e. 7's and higher) somewhat routinely. but I made the biggest step in improving my rating scale in I think it was Sep 2014 when I switched from "6/10 or less = Thumbs Down. 7/10 or higher = Thumbs Up" to "5/10 or less = Thumbs Down. 6/10 or higher = Thumbs Up". plus, as time passed I eventually went through the movies I rated on IMDb and tweaked things in that movies I pretty much won't care to see again get no higher than a 5/10 and movies I will see again won't get no lower than a 6/10. it's just a solid rating system that way for me. but as far as how many movies I have seen prior to around 2003... I can't say for sure, but I would imagine probably no more than 100-200 movies or so. but back in those days, say pre-2000's, I know I did watch and like some movies from the 60's/70's/80's as I know I have liked some Clint Eastwood movies for quite some time now (like 20+ years). hell, I used to like The Wizard of Oz (1939) back in the day when they used to play it on TV here and there when I was growing up but that movie is pretty weak for me now as I re-watched it Feb 9th 2018 (prior to this viewing I don't think I have seen it since probably sometime in the 1990's) and I think it's a below average movie for me today as I wonder what in the hell I used to see in it. but I guess when your a kid, your more easily entertained especially given you have seen far less movies back in those days to as once you have seen plenty of movies your standards tend to increase and it takes more for a movie to please me. NOTE: I know The Wizard of Oz (1939) is considered a classic and all though and I am sure plenty of people do like it as the decades passed, so I am just speaking for myself on it. but anyways, I see you listed your age 14 thing... I am sure I was pretty young, like younger than that, when I liked some movies quite a bit like say The Karate Kid (1984) which I used to watch when I could back in the late 1980's/early 1990's etc(I was born late 1979) as that's one of the earlier movies I remember liking quite a bit. but sadly, even that one has fallen off as I only like the 3rd movie today (the villains help amp it up) as the 1984 movie took a hit for me on May 14th 2016. my most recent viewing of the 3rd movie was Oct 6th 2014. but it's funny how your perception of movies change as you get a bit older as, using The Karate Kid (1984) as a example, you amp up the fights in your head when your a kid/teens vs when your a bit older and have seen quite a bit more movies you see that stuff differently as it's not as effective. but anyways, if I look more to my early teens on forward... I would have been about 15-ish back when I first seen Speed (1994) as that movie was great for me for many years. it's still among My Favorite Movies (i.e. Top 188 movies) but it has lost a good portion of it's magic for me on June 16th 2017 when it went from a 9/10 to a 7/10. still, for it to remain good enough to call a favorite for about 23-24 years now I can't complain as far as 'non-English' movies go... if you exclude Bruce Lee type of movies, which I think I mostly seen dubbed to English, I would likely be about late 20's (mostly because I was nearly mid 20's when general volume of movies straight up started to increase) but even here, while there are some gems for me, there are not many that are good enough to be among My Favorite Movies (i.e. my Top 188 movies). but my highest non-English language movie is within my Top 22 movies. so I guess, given the general time I grew up, that basically ensured anything I seen was basically 1990's or older which was pretty much 60's through 90's if you look at my teens on back (I would not have been 20 years old til late 1999). but I do think that I have seen a little pre-1960's movies once in a while at school but they never stuck with me. I think The Diary of Anne Frank (1959) was one of em (I don't have this movie rated on my IMDb account) for pre-1960's. also, I remember them showing Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory (1971) here and there in school in late 80's or early 90's (I also don't have that rated on IMDb either). hell, I have not seen that 1971 movie in ages as maybe ill give that one a shot very soon as I remember at least mildly liking that movie back in the day in school (hell, it beat doing school work for sure ). it should be okay enough for me to give a shot and hopefully I like it and a little nostalgia can't hurt. as far as your whole age 30 thing... the best I got here is that I noticed my taste in movies started to change a bit into my early 30's on some level as that's when I noticed some movies I used to think a bit higher of have been dropping off over say about the last 5 years or so (i.e. I would have been about 33-34 years old). but some still hold up. just some thoughts
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Oct 30, 2018 8:05:56 GMT
The media mergers went into full force in the 1990s. It seemed to me there was a shift by 1995--I stopped hearing about low budget horror or even media budget films.
Now its like everything has to be a corporate message film.
I.e. the horror films have to be SJW messages.
And nothing that doesn't fit the agenda will get any mass media attention.
THE MEG was a Chinese-co-production (globalicious).
It's like there's the big corporate world and everything else is in a ghetto.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 30, 2018 9:06:13 GMT
according to popular doctrine Star Wars was the movie that killed the American autheur and arthouse film.
If you follow this, the modern spamming with juvenile franchises a la Transformers, Marvel MCU, Harry Potter & Co was all based on Lucas' original sin of releasing a creative space opera franchise for kids in the late 70s.
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