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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Oct 29, 2018 1:15:34 GMT
Politically correct social justice warriors got their way and got the lovable character of Apu off The Simpsons. What a load of bullshit.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Oct 29, 2018 2:33:24 GMT
But they are fine with Groundskeeper Willie who is as Apu a stereotypical character.
I wish people would stop pandering to the PC snowflakes and SJWs.
I mean if they want to get rid of Apu that is fine. But to do it just because of some snowflakes is stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2018 3:02:05 GMT
They say, the character Apu is racist it's no good. It's taboo... So therefore no apu.
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Post by Nora on Oct 29, 2018 6:03:35 GMT
Noooooooo
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Post by Catman on Oct 29, 2018 13:37:15 GMT
He should get his own spin-off series called The Apu Nahasapeemapetilon Thank You Come Again Variety Hour.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 29, 2018 18:21:12 GMT
He should get his own spin-off series called The Apu Nahasapeemapetilon Thank You Come Again Variety Hour. That's actually not a bad idea.
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Post by pennypacker on Oct 29, 2018 18:38:58 GMT
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 30, 2018 18:17:35 GMT
Is there anything sadder than old folks complaining about the younger generation? Just realize time and culture is passing you by and let it go. You had your time.
It's not like any of you even watch the show anymore.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Oct 30, 2018 20:48:44 GMT
Is there anything sadder than old folks complaining about the younger generation? Just realize time and culture is passing you by and let it go. You had your time. It's not like any of you even watch the show anymore. This is one of those stupid comments made by people who wants to be WOKE. Which has nothing to do with anything.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 30, 2018 20:52:32 GMT
Is there anything sadder than old folks complaining about the younger generation? Just realize time and culture is passing you by and let it go. You had your time. It's not like any of you even watch the show anymore. This is one of those stupid comments made by people who wants to be WOKE. Which has nothing to do with anything. Sure, gramps. Just as ire at a fictional character being retired also has nothing to do with anything.
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Post by amyghost on Oct 30, 2018 20:57:47 GMT
Is there anything sadder than old folks complaining about the younger generation? Just realize time and culture is passing you by and let it go. You had your time. It's not like any of you even watch the show anymore. Yes: young folks complaining that any time and culture prior to theirs isn't worth their attention.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 30, 2018 21:47:02 GMT
Is there anything sadder than old folks complaining about the younger generation? Just realize time and culture is passing you by and let it go. You had your time. It's not like any of you even watch the show anymore. Yes: young folks complaining that any time and culture prior to theirs isn't worth their attention.
Nope. That's just old folks thinking because something racist was acceptable to them, that means it should still be acceptable to everyone. And considering The Simpsons is still currently running in this time, then it most definitely is part of this generation's time and culture.
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Post by amyghost on Oct 30, 2018 22:01:12 GMT
Yes: young folks complaining that any time and culture prior to theirs isn't worth their attention.
Nope. That's just old folks thinking because something racist was acceptable to them, that means it should still be acceptable to everyone. And considering The Simpsons is still currently running in this time, then it most definitely is part of this generation's time and culture. It's 'racist' because why? A non-Indian actor voices the role? You do understand what 'acting' means, don't you? Other than that, Apu is the most decent and humane character on the show (outside of Marge), so are you suggesting that there's something wrong in that portrayal?
And it seems a bit as if you're trying to have it both ways--first the show is outdated and presumably irrelevant (even the old-timers who were fans don't watch it anymore, according to you), then suddenly it's a big deal because it's still running in the present time, and thus vitally meaningful to everyone.
If your confused lemming-speak represents 'young folks thinking', I'll stick with the geriatric set. Fortunately for the 'young folks', many of them I've encountered have a little more sense than you seem to.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 30, 2018 22:12:07 GMT
Nope. That's just old folks thinking because something racist was acceptable to them, that means it should still be acceptable to everyone. And considering The Simpsons is still currently running in this time, then it most definitely is part of this generation's time and culture. It's 'racist' because why? A non-Indian actor voices the role? You do understand what 'acting' means, don't you? Other than that, Apu is the most decent and humane character on the show (outside of Marge), so are you suggesting that there's something wrong in that portrayal?
You do understand that's the same thing people used to say about blackface. "It's just an actor. It's a comedy. The character's actually pretty smart and decent." Yes, I am having it both ways because that's exactly what's happening. It's an outdated, long running show that is still on. That's just fact.
There's no reason it can't be both. In fact, it is both. Unless you think it's not running anymore? Check your local listings.
That's cool. That set will soon pass on anyway, and the young people won't have to worry about their complaining. Remember when Rock n' Roll was the Devil's music? That geriatric set passed away too and now we laugh at them. All the young folks I know understand there's no place for quaint racism anymore. Just let it go. You're not on the right side of history here.
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Post by amyghost on Oct 30, 2018 22:21:43 GMT
It's 'racist' because why? A non-Indian actor voices the role? You do understand what 'acting' means, don't you? Other than that, Apu is the most decent and humane character on the show (outside of Marge), so are you suggesting that there's something wrong in that portrayal?
You do understand that's the same thing people used to say about blackface. "It's just an actor. It's a comedy." Yes, I am having it both ways because that's exactly what's happening. It's an outdated, long running show. That's just fact.
There's no reason it can't be both. In fact, it is both. Unless you think it's not running anymore? Check your local listings.
That's cool. That set will soon pass on anyway, and the young people won't have to worry about their complaining. Remember when Rock n' Roll was the Devil's music? That geriatric set passed away too and now we laugh at them.
All the young folks I know understand there's no place for quaint racism anymore. Just let it go. You're not on the right side of history here. 1.) Yes, son. I actually do understand that. Blackface was intended to be demeaning. An actor impersonating an individual of a different culture or race is not, de facto, demeaning, it's the intent behind the portrayal that determines this. Do you understand that? Doubtful.
2.) You're welcome to have it both ways, but be aware that you undercut your own positions when you blandly contradict yourself. No one is obligated to take you seriously when you do so.
3.) Like many of your set, irony and sarcasm are lost on you. Which will prove especially humorous once you've joined the ranks of 'the elderly', and that'll be soon enough. History will then have a good chuckle at your expense; there is no idea older than that of 'the modern', and your currently 'modern' views will look as sadly aged and ridiculous to the coming generation as you believe the previous one's are now.
Let it go. That you can even be as blithely stupid as to use a phrase like 'the wrong side of history' simply proves your brain hasn't developed sufficiently to pester the adults in the room yet.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 30, 2018 22:30:00 GMT
You do understand that's the same thing people used to say about blackface. "It's just an actor. It's a comedy." Yes, I am having it both ways because that's exactly what's happening. It's an outdated, long running show. That's just fact.
There's no reason it can't be both. In fact, it is both. Unless you think it's not running anymore? Check your local listings.
That's cool. That set will soon pass on anyway, and the young people won't have to worry about their complaining. Remember when Rock n' Roll was the Devil's music? That geriatric set passed away too and now we laugh at them.
All the young folks I know understand there's no place for quaint racism anymore. Just let it go. You're not on the right side of history here. 1.) Yes, son. I actually do understand that. Blackface was intended to be demeaning. An actor impersonating an individual of a different culture or race is not, de facto, demeaning, it's the intent behind the portrayal that determines this. Do you understand that? Doubtful.
2.) You're welcome to have it both ways, but be aware that you undercut your own positions when you blandly contradict yourself. No one is obligated to take you seriously when you do so.
3.) Like many of your set, irony and sarcasm are lost on you. Which will prove especially humorous once you've joined the ranks of 'the elderly', and that'll be soon enough. History will then have a good chuckle at your expense; there is no idea older than that of 'the modern', and your currently 'modern' views will look as sadly aged and ridiculous to the coming generation as you believe the previous one's are now.
Let it go. That you can even be as blithely stupid as to use a phrase like 'the wrong side of history' simply proves your brain hasn't developed sufficiently to pester the adults in the room yet.
1) Then you should understand, grandma, the Hindi guy with a funny accent running a convenience store was also a demeaning stereotype. It was in stand up comedy everywhere in the 80s and 90s. Hopefully you can understand that. 2) Nope. There is no contradiction. Something can be both outdated but still long running. As the Simpsons proves. The two are not mutually exclusive. 3) Incorrect. There are plenty of ideas older. In any case, yes, one day my views will have aged. However, I will not cry about it on the internet. I will actually understand and accept it. Or even better, I will not try to hold onto racially, sexually, or ethnically insensitive, outdated stereotypes. You're outdated. Just bow out gracefully. Remember the joke of the old man crying "Get off my lawn!" Don't be that guy. Let it go, indeed.
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Post by amyghost on Oct 30, 2018 22:40:59 GMT
1.) Yes, son. I actually do understand that. Blackface was intended to be demeaning. An actor impersonating an individual of a different culture or race is not, de facto, demeaning, it's the intent behind the portrayal that determines this. Do you understand that? Doubtful.
2.) You're welcome to have it both ways, but be aware that you undercut your own positions when you blandly contradict yourself. No one is obligated to take you seriously when you do so.
3.) Like many of your set, irony and sarcasm are lost on you. Which will prove especially humorous once you've joined the ranks of 'the elderly', and that'll be soon enough. History will then have a good chuckle at your expense; there is no idea older than that of 'the modern', and your currently 'modern' views will look as sadly aged and ridiculous to the coming generation as you believe the previous one's are now.
Let it go. That you can even be as blithely stupid as to use a phrase like 'the wrong side of history' simply proves your brain hasn't developed sufficiently to pester the adults in the room yet.
1) Then you should understand, grandma, the Hindi guy with a funny accent running a convenience store was also a demeaning stereotype. It was in stand up comedy everywhere in the 80s and 90s. Hopefully you can understand that. 2) Nope. There is no contradiction. Something can be both outdated but still long running. As the Simpsons proves. The two are not mutually exclusive. 3) Incorrect. There are plenty of ideas older. In any case, yes, one day my views will have aged. However, I will not cry about it on the internet. I will actually understand and accept it. Or even better, I will not try to hold onto racially, sexually, or ethnically insensitive, outdated stereotypes. You're outdated. Just bow out gracefully. Remember the joke of the old man crying "Get off my lawn!" Don't be that guy. Let it go, indeed. Dear god, listening to you is like taking a time warp back to the Cultural Revolution. Do you routinely rampage through your village collective, forcibly shaving the heads of reactionaries, and dragging them to the public tribunal to confess their thoughtcrimes to the crowd? I ain't your grandma, son, and I pity the woman who is, as she's probably in danger of being denounced by you to the tribunal and dragged off to the waiting auto-da-fe.
However, I will not cry about it on the internet. I will actually understand and accept it. Or even better, I will not try to hold onto racially, sexually, or ethnically insensitive, outdated stereotypes.
You will also not harbor an original thought in your head, and will be tone-deaf to centuries of culture (even more profound than The Simpsons!), as none of it will be able to pass muster with your strictures of correctness. Thankfully I don't have to share in your universe, and happily leave you to the poverty of it. Being as impoverished as you already give every appearance of being, I don't expect you to notice this.
I've been a Liberal for years, and I swear to sweet jeebus, it's your type of proudly ignorant snowflake that almost makes me embarrassed to wear the label these days.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 30, 2018 22:50:56 GMT
Easy, granny. High blood pressure is bad at your age. And don't worry about my actual grandma. She doesn't defend outdated racist stereotypes.
Nothing says original thought like referencing one of the most referenced books of all time, huh?
Plus, how can I be tone deaf if I actually understand culture changes? Someone didn't think that through, did she?
I don't know. There's nothing more snowflakish than complaining about a show retiring a fictional character that will have absolutely no effect on you.
Look, I get it. No one wants to be outdated. But it happens. The trick is not become old and bitter about it. Heck, if you hang on to your technology the way you hang on to your stereotypes, you probably still have a flip phone with over three shades of green on it.
No you won't. You'll keep coming back and complaining some more about how your culture was better. Completely ignoring that your parents said the same thing. And their parents before them. Every generation gets left behind. No generation sees it coming. No generation can deal with it. It still hilarious.
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Post by Nora on Oct 30, 2018 22:57:38 GMT
PreachCaleb i would be interested to know your take on: 1. do you believe most Indian immigrants (those that have not been born in the US) dont have a recognizable accent? 2. do you consider people working in a convenience store having a demeaning job? 3. do you believe only actors of certain ethnicities/races should be allowed to play roles (meaning we always have to match the natural ethnicity/nationality/race/whatever-else, is there anything else you want to add?) of the actors to the roles they portray?) 4. woud you have been fine if Apu stayed the way he is but was from now on voiced by an actor with Indian heritage? 5. if yes, would you have been ok if it was someone who was not born in the US and thus most likely has a recognizable accent? 6. are you ok with Willy the Groundskeeper portrayal? does it not use demeaning stereotypes of Scotts being always drunk and grizzly etc? 7. for a role of an Indian for you not to see it as demeaning, what would have to happen to Apu? Having a different job? what kind? would any job that is not w IT related field, convenience store, no call centers anything like that do? Are you then able to extrapolate a rule on picking the job for the character? is it something that has to go against the commonly observed and perhaps measurable statistics or otherwise unusual? having no accent? being voiced by an Indian actor? anything else? 8. is Homer not a demeaning portrayal of an "average American"? fat, kinda stupid/silly and slacker? Should that change? 9. do you believe stereotypes do not have anything to do with measurable occurrence of its "ideals" in reality? 10. are you perhaps saying that by using the same stereotypes we contribute to creating more of such stereotypes and not allow those that are being stereotyped to get out of their pre-labeled boxes? genuinely interested in how you view these things.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 30, 2018 23:02:03 GMT
1) I would say they do.
2) Not at all.
3) I see no problem with that.
4) Sure.
5) Sure.
6) Not so much. And yes, it is.
7) It's not too difficult to come up with a job for an Indian that's not based on a stereotype.
8) No and no.
9) In what way exactly?
10) Not so much as them not being able to get out of their pre-labeled boxes, as much as others not wanting to let them out.
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