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Post by Carl LaFong on Oct 30, 2018 1:32:59 GMT
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Post by jervistetch on Oct 30, 2018 14:21:33 GMT
Thanks, Carl. I'll definitely have to catch that documentary.
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Post by petrolino on Oct 30, 2018 18:19:48 GMT
Thanks Carl, I'd like to see this documentary.
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Post by london777 on Oct 30, 2018 22:13:01 GMT
Yes, I enjoyed that article and most was new to me.
One thing did baffle me though. The repeated references to Clift's "physical beauty". A fine actor and a good-looking guy for sure, but that I do not get. I am neither female nor gay so I guess I will have to remain mystified.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Oct 30, 2018 23:59:01 GMT
Yes, I enjoyed that article and most was new to me. One thing did baffle me though. The repeated references to Clift's "physical beauty". A fine actor and a good-looking guy for sure, but that I do not get. I am neither female nor gay so I guess I will have to remain mystified. I think he was very handsome before the accident, say in a film like A Place in the Sun. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Oct 31, 2018 0:15:04 GMT
Yikes. I have only seen him in THE DEFECTOR. He was not in good shape. He was like a Nosferatu...
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Post by BATouttaheck on Oct 31, 2018 3:17:43 GMT
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Oct 31, 2018 3:40:00 GMT
I'm not sure that article, nor documentary is genuine. I've done a lot of research on Monty in the past, and I really believe the gay thing affected him. I can't say that I am positively correct, but I can't say that this new documentary is correct either. |
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Post by timshelboy on Oct 31, 2018 16:10:29 GMT
Thanks Carl - Big Clift fan so I'll watch - but I don't think it is an "untold story" by any means- there have been half a dozen biographies so far (Pat Bosworth the best IMHO but LaGuardia, M L eonard, B Hoskins, Amy Lawrence, Girelli too plus a Judith Kass Films of.... and a HOLLYWOOD REBELS documentary). Appreciate that his "family" involved here - but the nephew was born after Clift dead so he's not going to be offering personal anecdotes for our delectation.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Oct 31, 2018 23:07:08 GMT
Yikes. I have only seen him in THE DEFECTOR. He was not in good shape. He was like a Nosferatu... In fairness to both Monty and those who haven't seen the film, it really isn't as grim as made to sound above.  Sure, he's no longer the striking young man of A Place In the Sun or From Here To Eternity, is unarguably frailer than his 45 years might suggest and was only months from passing, but the vulnerability that he projects works very much in favor of the character he plays: a quiet man whose only apparent passions are science and art, pressed into dangerous espionage service. Clift himself is called upon for some strenuous physicality in climactic scenes, and one senses a parallel between actor and role in summoning perhaps unsuspected strengths and resources. As it happened, the film's director, Raoul Lévy, only a year younger than Clift, died mere weeks after his star. As the more serious thrillers of the mid-'60s spy craze go, this one's among the more thoughtful and intelligent, concentrating on the human effects of doing such work, and boasts three standout performances alongside Clift's: Roddy McDowall, exhibiting genial but reptilian charm as the government operative who forces Clift into service, David Opatoshu as a coldly dangerous Eastern overseer and Hardy Kruger, who especially shines, most notably in his scenes with Clift as they spar and size up one another in the guarded and calculated manner of chess opponents. For those attributes alone, I can recommend The Defector, and would say that as a film, it succeeds at about the 75-80% level. |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Oct 31, 2018 23:22:07 GMT
Even after major re-construction and a decade o living, not a face to scare the kiddies or the cat !  |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Oct 31, 2018 23:29:40 GMT
My mom shared a birthDAY with Montgomery Clift. She saw every one of his movies and, although not a weepy woman, she cried when he was in that accident and again when he died.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Nov 1, 2018 0:01:04 GMT
Even after major re-construction and a decade o living, not a face to scare the kiddies or the cat ! Post-reconstruction, the mouth and jawline were no longer as strong and symmetrical as they'd once been, but as long as he had those eyes, behind which multitudes of thought and emotion always seemed to be operating, he was camera-ready. The fictional Norma Desmond famously boasted, "I can say anything I want with my eyes," and it's one to which no actor was more entitled than Clift. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Nov 1, 2018 0:34:16 GMT
In fairness to both Monty and those who haven't seen the film, it really isn't as grim as made to sound above. I wasn't speaking of the film-but the way he looked!
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Post by Doghouse6 on Nov 1, 2018 0:37:04 GMT
In fairness to both Monty and those who haven't seen the film, it really isn't as grim as made to sound above. I wasn't speaking of the film-but the way he looked!
I understand. That's why I posted the frame grab from the film. But I happen to like it, so thought I'd add a little something about it. |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Nov 1, 2018 1:10:11 GMT
Yikes. I have only seen him in THE DEFECTOR. He was not in good shape. He was like a Nosferatu...   |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Nov 1, 2018 1:19:04 GMT
If he had just come into the public eye after his accident and in his late 30s, he would probably have been seen as a handsome man. It's largely because we have the outstandingly handsome Clift in his 20's and 30's for comparison that he is seen to be changed. (all ^^ imo).
Those eyes Doghouse6, yes ! Those eyes ! |
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Post by hi224 on Nov 1, 2018 6:39:12 GMT
an all time favorite of mine as well. |
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Post by Doghouse6 on Nov 1, 2018 15:58:24 GMT
If he had just come into the public eye after his accident and in his late 30s, he would probably have been seen as a handsome man. It's largely because we have the outstandingly handsome Clift in his 20's and 30's for comparison that he is seen to be changed. (all ^^ imo).
Bingo! One more thing about those eyes: it wasn't only what they said, it's what they took in. I don't remember which actor it was - probably more than one, really - who said that listening was as important to acting as any other of its aspects. It's as though Clift was able to listen with his eyes as well as his ears. Judy Garland had that ability in her acting, too: never the blank stare of a performer merely waiting for his/her next cue, nor exaggerated reactions to other performers for scene-stealing advantage; instead, truly convincing absorption of what was being said and done, which had the effect of enhancing the other players' work as well. As I like to say: with Brando, you could tell what the actor was thinking; with Monty, you could tell what the character was thinking. And the mechanics never showed. |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Nov 1, 2018 16:20:20 GMT
Doghouse6 I've mentioned this before but ….. was watching The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance and a phone call came in so the sound was turned off on the TV. I got to watch John Wayne watching what was going on in the "steak on the floor" scene .. he had no dialogue and was just looking and listening. They say the man was wooden and a bad actor .. phooey. Maybe they need to turn the sound off and watch him to see further proof of how really good at his craft he was even when he was not the center of attention. He was another listener. <not really OT as Wayne wonderfully shared the screen with Clift in Red River  >
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