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Post by johnspartan on Oct 31, 2018 17:34:03 GMT
I'm rewatching The Shining and remembering something that always bothered me was how Nicholson and his family members never seem convincing as a family. Their interactions don't seem natural or believable to me. The son always seems like a prop. This may be Kubrik's intent but I think it also may be one of Kubrik's weaknesses. The Poltergeist family is an example of a more believable family.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Oct 31, 2018 17:42:16 GMT
Watching the movie, it's difficult to imagine them ever happy together before The Overlook Hotel. Jack's resentment towards them for his stalled writing career is finally exacerbated by the hotel.
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Post by johnspartan on Oct 31, 2018 18:05:00 GMT
Watching the movie, it's difficult to imagine them ever happy together before The Overlook Hotel. Jack's resentment towards them for his stalled writing career is finally exacerbated by the hotel. I think it could have been more powerful to see them in the beginning as a closer family unit. This would make the "unraveling" later on even more disturbing. |
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Post by politicidal on Oct 31, 2018 18:06:33 GMT
I’ve seen families like that. The wife and son were really affectionate with each other but clearly fearful of Jack.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Oct 31, 2018 18:11:06 GMT
Kubrick never did realistic humans.
Scatman Crothers is the only one who acts normal in that movie. And maybe Lloyd.
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Post by johnspartan on Oct 31, 2018 18:16:22 GMT
Kubrick never did realistic humans. Scatman Crothers is the only one who acts normal in that movie. And maybe Lloyd. Yeah, I'm noticing this. The characters in "2001" and "Eyes Wide Shut" were pretty wooden, too. |
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Post by ck100 on Oct 31, 2018 18:58:56 GMT
Watch the Star Wars prequels if you want wooden, unrealistic humans.
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Post by johnspartan on Oct 31, 2018 19:09:14 GMT
Watch the Star Wars prequels if you want wooden, unrealistic humans. Yeah, the prequels bothered me too. At least the excuse can be made that the Jedi are meant to be stoic. |
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Post by kolchak92 on Oct 31, 2018 19:22:00 GMT
Well they weren't exactly supposed to be a normal, loving family.
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Post by ck100 on Oct 31, 2018 19:30:49 GMT
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Post by johnspartan on Oct 31, 2018 19:55:35 GMT
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Oct 31, 2018 20:13:19 GMT
That was one major difference between the novel and the movie; in the novel Jack was still a recovering alcoholic, but they were a very close family before arriving at the Overlook. His descent into madness was much more tragic in the novel as a result, and even at the climax, he was struggling internally with the demons telling him to murder Danny and Wendy, and his father/husband instincts to save them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 20:54:45 GMT
The Freelngs vs the Torrences are a happy family vs one with a lot of issues bubbling under the surface.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Oct 31, 2018 21:19:58 GMT
That was one major difference between the novel and the movie; in the novel Jack was still a recovering alcoholic, but they were a very close family before arriving at the Overlook. His descent into madness was much more tragic in the novel as a result, and even at the climax, he was struggling internally with the demons telling him to murder Danny and Wendy, and his father/husband instincts to save them. That covers what I was going to post about .. plus the movie rather glossed over the fact that Jack had previously hurt Danny when Jack was drunk which was something the family was still recovering from. |
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Post by Geddy on Oct 31, 2018 21:33:30 GMT
That's probably because Nicholson doesn't play fathers well as could you imagine him as your dad?
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