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Post by Agent of Chaos on Nov 3, 2018 22:40:13 GMT
 I had no idea that The Avengers were discriminated against like the X-Men in Civil War. I thought the Accords were about supervising the Avengers because they were vigilantes that were causing a lot of collateral damage and that most of the Avengers didn’t really have superpowers./s |
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Post by politicidal on Nov 4, 2018 0:18:56 GMT
Are you Shining Night?
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Nov 4, 2018 1:42:17 GMT
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 4, 2018 11:32:06 GMT
don't mind the fanboys. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Their movies are so without substance that they reinterpret their own films in light of other films' themes and messages (and be it at ad absurdum).
The original Fox-Men films are allegorical masterpieces of political minority paranoia. The political theme in CW was quickly tossed aside in favor of a juvenile "I don't care, he killed my mom" conflict. Hence the fanboy confusion.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 4, 2018 11:49:16 GMT
Civil War is a deeply flawed movie in all story and character aspects which have been exposed on this forum time and time again. Yet people will still call it a masterpiece and rank it in their top 5.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 4, 2018 15:21:57 GMT
Civil War is a masterpiece. I might even rank it in my top five all time favorite films.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 4, 2018 16:52:03 GMT
Civil War is a masterpiece. I might even rank it in my top five all time favorite films. Even after knowing this board has completely dissected its jumbled story points, needless characters, contrived writing, extreme plot conveniences, illogical character actions and reactions with an ending voice over letter narrated by Rogers which ultimately renders the entire film a waste of time? |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 4, 2018 17:20:25 GMT
Civil War is a masterpiece. I might even rank it in my top five all time favorite films. Even after knowing this board has completely dissected its jumbled story points, needless characters, contrived writing, extreme plot conveniences, illogical character actions and reactions with an ending voice over letter narrated by Rogers which ultimately renders the entire film a waste of time? LOL! As much as I was desperately hoping this board would turn out to be the final word on anything, let alone cinema, I would have to answer yes. But never fear, as Chief Justice of v2’s little Star Chamber, you still get to hand down your banal pronouncements all in the confines of this tiny, little space. Sing it from the rooftops won’t you? The Piccadilly Palare Was just silly slang Between me and the boys in my gang Exchanging Palare You wouldn't understand [Death Man] Good sons like you Never do. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Nov 4, 2018 17:34:13 GMT
don't mind the fanboys. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Their movies are so without substance that they reinterpret their own films in light of other films' themes and messages (and be it at ad absurdum). The original Fox-Men films are allegorical masterpieces of political minority paranoia. The political theme in CW was quickly tossed aside in favor of a juvenile " I don't care, he killed my mom" conflict. Hence the fanboy confusion. No. It was a case of changing goal post and failing.  |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 4, 2018 17:40:01 GMT
Civil War is a deeply flawed movie in all story and character aspects which have been exposed on this forum time and time again. Yet people will still call it a masterpiece and rank it in their top 5. I'm sorry, but DC-Fan is an imbecile, so I don't think he counts as "exposing" Civil War. |
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Post by charzhino on Nov 4, 2018 19:57:16 GMT
Civil War is a deeply flawed movie in all story and character aspects which have been exposed on this forum time and time again. Yet people will still call it a masterpiece and rank it in their top 5. I'm sorry, but DC-Fan is an imbecile, so I don't think he counts as "exposing" Civil War. Well he has a point about the camera which just so happens to be in the perfect place where Bucky kills Tonys parents. On a random desolate road, that Bucky has no prior knowledge of which is bizzare for a meticulous super assassin. Just look at the freeze still of the camera. Its in perfect position and angle to capture everything in frame, with nothing cut off. Usually this would be a nitpick that can be easily dismissed but its the most crucial plot point in the whole movie. Without this footage there is no conflict between Stark and Cap. |
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Post by charzhino on Nov 4, 2018 20:06:24 GMT
Even after knowing this board has completely dissected its jumbled story points, needless characters, contrived writing, extreme plot conveniences, illogical character actions and reactions with an ending voice over letter narrated by Rogers which ultimately renders the entire film a waste of time? LOL! As much as I was desperately hoping this board would turn out to be the final word on anything, let alone cinema, I would have to answer yes. But never fear, as Chief Justice of v2’s little Star Chamber, you still get to hand down your banal pronouncements all in the confines of this tiny, little space. Sing it from the rooftops won’t you? The Piccadilly Palare Was just silly slang Between me and the boys in my gang Exchanging Palare You wouldn't understand [Death Man] Good sons like you Never do. Spam. Call me when you actually want to analyse and discuss movies rather than throw underhanded shade. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 4, 2018 21:00:29 GMT
LOL! As much as I was desperately hoping this board would turn out to be the final word on anything, let alone cinema, I would have to answer yes. But never fear, as Chief Justice of v2’s little Star Chamber, you still get to hand down your banal pronouncements all in the confines of this tiny, little space. Sing it from the rooftops won’t you? The Piccadilly Palare Was just silly slang Between me and the boys in my gang Exchanging Palare You wouldn't understand [Death Man] Good sons like you Never do. Spam. Call me when you actually want to analyse and discuss movies rather than throw underhanded shade. Spam? Oh, my. At least it’s got a key when one is hard pressed for a can opener. You make quite the spectacle of yourself for a rank amateur. You’re a dilettante who hasn’t the faintest idea what quality cinema amounts to. Your so-called “analysis” takes a vital art form and reduces it to something lifeless and perfectly inert. Your “critique” is about as lively, informed and insightful as an autopsy report. Your every post is a disservice to the medium. You’re an anti-critic. And why exactly would I “call” you. We’re not friends, lovers or colleagues. Do you need someone to talk to? I can’t help you there. When you are ready to deliver credentials other than, long-time-watcher-of-movies and repetitive dullard, for being the be all and end all of cinematic critique “call” me. I can be reached where I live and work; in your most private thoughts. Just ask for Death Man. |
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Post by hobowar on Nov 4, 2018 21:05:59 GMT
This is the PERFECT video on Captain America:Civil War in my opinion, but feel free to tell me why I'm wrong. Especially you, Tristan, you granny's peach tea drinking sonofabitch!
Here's one for Age of Ultron also.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 4, 2018 21:33:38 GMT
Spam. Call me when you actually want to analyse and discuss movies rather than throw underhanded shade. Spam? Oh, my. At least it’s got a key when one is hard pressed for a can opener. You make quite the spectacle of yourself for a rank amateur. You’re a dilettante who hasn’t the faintest idea what quality cinema amounts to. Your so-called “analysis” takes a vital art form and reduces it to something lifeless and perfectly inert. Your “critique” is about as lively, informed and insightful as an autopsy report. Your every post is a disservice to the medium. You’re an anti-critic. And why exactly would I “call” you. We’re not friends, lovers or colleagues. Do you need someone to talk to? I can’t help you there. When you are ready to deliver credentials other than, long-time-watcher-of-movies and repetitive dullard, for being the be all and end all of cinematic critique “call” me. I can be reached where I live and work; in your most private thoughts. Just ask for Death Man. More spam. You wouldn't last 10 minutes in any movie debate with me so keep on deflecting and being pretentious, bud. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 4, 2018 22:02:23 GMT
Spam? Oh, my. At least it’s got a key when one is hard pressed for a can opener. You make quite the spectacle of yourself for a rank amateur. You’re a dilettante who hasn’t the faintest idea what quality cinema amounts to. Your so-called “analysis” takes a vital art form and reduces it to something lifeless and perfectly inert. Your “critique” is about as lively, informed and insightful as an autopsy report. Your every post is a disservice to the medium. You’re an anti-critic. And why exactly would I “call” you. We’re not friends, lovers or colleagues. Do you need someone to talk to? I can’t help you there. When you are ready to deliver credentials other than, long-time-watcher-of-movies and repetitive dullard, for being the be all and end all of cinematic critique “call” me. I can be reached where I live and work; in your most private thoughts. Just ask for Death Man. More spam. You wouldn't last 10 minutes in any movie debate with me so keep on deflecting and being pretentious, bud. I don't discuss anything with you because you're not worth debating. You don't know shit about movies in general, let alone good ones vs. bad ones. You conflate business factors with artistic merit and inject nearly worthless anecdotal "evidence" in between. The fact that you think the pinnacle of movie analysis is the debate format proves just how much you don't know. "Hey everybody, I go on message boards and debate people about movies and therefore I am a real-life critic." "You wouldn't last 10 minutes..." Really? The entire artform of cinematic critique revolves around your little ego and winning internet debates? You're a laughable halfwit who I wouldn't grace with word one of my thoughts on anything let alone good cinema. Do yourself a favor and go audit a cinema studies class. I'm sure whatever correctional facility you happen to reside in currently will let you do it by mail. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 3:31:46 GMT
I dunno about that. The odd person might be afraid of a couple of them for their powers but not for their genes. The X-Men has the metaphor right; people cross the street to avoid the X-Men because of what they are. The fear and ignorance campaign of being filthy, passing disease through touch, all ideas radical critics use to dehumanize them. The Avengers aren't really discriminated against as people. If you've ever belonged to a minority where your genes are considered a flaw, you know how insulting it is to be offered a way to cure it. The only experiments in the MCU movies sought to give people abilities, not to take them away.
Hulk was always like that as far as I know. His rage and how people fear him. Scarlet Witch might have a case for being feared but half of it is Iron Man being the self-righteous futurist calling her a weapon of mass destruction. Natasha being afraid of being shunned for releasing Shield files is reaching pretty hard. She barely even flinched on Capital Hill.
There's something else going on. In the X-Men, they're hated. Not just them but all mutants. They're considered gross and wrong. In Avengers they're mini celebrities. The people who hate them the most are the pencil pushers and people affected by collateral damage. Aside from that, they go in and out of being rock stars. Cap does inspiration videos for schools, has a museum exhibit; people take selfies with Thor with Loki standing right there; people go nuts for Iron Man, even Alexander Pierce's niece (or nephew). And their big-ass in your ass headquarters. People dress up as them. They're heroes with recognition. The X-Men not so much.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Nov 5, 2018 8:56:26 GMT
I dunno about that. The odd person might be afraid of a couple of them for their powers but not for their genes. The X-Men has the metaphor right; people cross the street to avoid the X-Men because of what they are. The fear and ignorance campaign of being filthy, passing disease through touch, all ideas radical critics use to dehumanize them. The Avengers aren't really discriminated against as people. If you've ever belonged to a minority where your genes are considered a flaw, you know how insulting it is to be offered a way to cure it. The only experiments in the MCU movies sought to give people abilities, not to take them away.
Hulk was always like that as far as I know. His rage and how people fear him. Scarlet Witch might have a case for being feared but half of it is Iron Man being the self-righteous futurist calling her a weapon of mass destruction. Natasha being afraid of being shunned for releasing Shield files is reaching pretty hard. She barely even flinched on Capital Hill.
There's something else going on. In the X-Men, they're hated. Not just them but all mutants. They're considered gross and wrong. In Avengers they're mini celebrities. The people who hate them the most are the pencil pushers and people affected by collateral damage. Aside from that, they go in and out of being rock stars. Cap does inspiration videos for schools, has a museum exhibit; people take selfies with Thor with Loki standing right there; people go nuts for Iron Man, even Alexander Pierce's niece (or nephew). And their big-ass in your ass headquarters. People dress up as them. They're heroes with recognition. The X-Men not so much.
Hulk was hunted by Ross because of he accidentally put Betty in coma and killed a few people when he was “born”. Wanda did caused the Hulk to wreck a city. Another thing that makes the Black Widow a reach is that she is not different from any normal people, just a skilled spy. Mutant discrimination has less to do with genes and more to do with paranoia and controversy theories. Mutants are feared and hated because many viewed them as menaces that are trying to replace humanity as the dominant species in a eventual war like we did with the Neanderthals other human species. It’s been that way since issue #14 back in 1965 during the Stan Lee era. The “mutant problem” has always been a metaphor to the “Jewish question” which refers to the conspiracy theory that Jews are “parasites” that are trying to take over the world. Which isn’t surprising since Stan Lee is Jewish. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 5, 2018 9:05:23 GMT
don't mind the fanboys. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Their movies are so without substance that they reinterpret their own films in light of other films' themes and messages (and be it at ad absurdum). The original Fox-Men films are allegorical masterpieces of political minority paranoia. The political theme in CW was quickly tossed aside in favor of a juvenile " I don't care, he killed my mom" conflict. Hence the fanboy confusion. No. It was a case of changing goal post and failing. all the better, changing goalposts is the sincerest form of surrender without admitting defeat. |
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Post by charzhino on Nov 5, 2018 10:31:34 GMT
I don't discuss anything with you because you're not worth debating. Translation – ‘’im going to attack the messenger, rather than engage with the content’’. That’s all you people have to offer, personal attacks rather than focus on the content. Go ahead and reassure yourself; get off your throne and check if you can still pick up the replica model Mjolnir you surely must possess, lying on your window sill. I’m sure I’m not worthy to lift it to your standards just yet. Hmm, coming from the person who in this thread called Civil War a masterpiece? I don’t think that. Analysis goes much deeper than just debating the simple flaws, praises or technicalities of movie design. The nuances of proper film analysis goes beyond the scope of comic book movie discussion boards like this and would be a wasted effort as most members are not up to the benchmark. The alternative then is to simplify, which is the gauge at which most of the discussions occur here. Is Spiderman Homcoming a forgettable film? Does the MCU feel empty? Why does Stark do a 180 on his beliefs in Civil War? Can the MCU do Xmens tone justice? None of these will be the leading title of a film thesis abstract, but for heaven’s sake if you are sensitive by these type of questions, which you obviously are, then you're the one who needs to go to a correctional facility, ( if you are not already registered in one....)
Dammit, I coulda sworn I was on Y0upo®n and not internet movie discussion board version 2.0. And we come full circle, back to insulting the speaker. Thankfully for you, I wont stoop down to your level and insult you personally and stick to my tenant of never performing ad hom attacks. To me it is just a deflection from the topic at hand and a waste of typing effort. Will it be delivered by Tony Stank? |
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