I wish Humphrey Bogart and Orson Welles had made a film noir together

I think adversaries, and a battle of wits and wills; perhaps sort of a Crime and Punishment theme, with Orson as a charming but cagey investigator. methodically closing in on a slowly coming-apart-at-the-seams Bogie as the murderer who thought he had all the angles figured. Hmm, sounds like a Columbo, doesn't it? Well, I haven't yet come across that damned imagination cap. For that matter, it sounds like Sydney Greenstreet and Bogie in Conflict, now that I think of it, but maybe that's a script they could have done together (and to which Welles could have brought more style as a director than Curtis Bernhardt).

Or a variation thereof, in which they're both working toward the same goal, but the investigator is convinced until the very end that Bogie was the guilty one. Oh, heck, that sounds like Dead Man's Eyes with Lon Chaney Jr. and Thomas Gomez (and a couple dozen others I can't recall at the moment).

Ah, skip it, while I consider changing my username from Doghouse6 to DerivativeOne. 

    

paislene

I like the idea if a private eye and a government dude working on the same caper.

BUT

fwiw … for true olde timey noir ness and to keep it in the realm of just plain fun .. you know, like  murders, robbery, crime …. personally, I would like to stay away from politics and spies and nation facing  disaster and everyday ultra-fanatics of any sort ! 

I would suggest pre-WWII era … maybe in the late 30s early 40's ? 

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I also LIKE the idea of the two of them as antagonists, <poster  formerly known as Doghouse6 >

I would have them as rival ship captains seeking treasure.


In one scene when they meet up again, OW asks HB what he has in his cargo and the latter replies: "Crates and barrels of food and beverages for the orphanage in Jakarta. But don't get no funny ideas of helping yourself to a free sample. The orphans need a meal more than you do."

Bogart : Orson , I got this idea for a film that starts with a dying woman and a broken music box

Orson : Oh, man, Bogie that's been done to death already. I have a better idea ! There's this small figurine of a White Dove everyone has been looking for and you are a detective and .…

Bogart:

Orson: Well, then, can I offer you a glass of wine ?

He says shamus with a short a … used to hearing it with a long A

noun sha·mus \ˈshä-məs, ˈshā-\
Rhymes with shamus

Amos famous ramus

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Might be regional .. like caramel / carmel eh Nalkarj

It's only pronounced that way when referring to an Irishman.  

Burt Reynolds even made a 1970s action film that used the word as its title.