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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 28, 2017 3:21:20 GMT
Guardians 2 is preselling tickets 6 WEEKS!! in advance. This is a film that may truly blow up if early feedback can be believed and it's coming in with huge anticipation. I'm pretty sure baby Groot has more love than anybody in the JL right now and the question is if this group of characters can lay the wood to JL with both having one film worth of buildup and JL having so much more comic history, what does that say? What does it mean?
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Post by sdrew13163 on Mar 28, 2017 3:46:32 GMT
I think GotG 2 looks okay but not great. Once again, it's probably because I hate the new style in these modern trailers, but who knows. Justice League won't beat GotG 2 at the Box Office, but I think JL is meant to pick the DCEU up from the depths instead of save it all at once.
I liked Man of Steel and BvS, but I hated Suicide Squad A LOT. If JL can be good, then it will simply bring the DCEU back to square one. Then Aquaman, Flash, Wonder Woman, and Batman solo films will need to elevate the franchise into (relative) greatness if they can.
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Post by brownstones on Mar 28, 2017 3:59:05 GMT
Guardians 2 is preselling tickets 6 WEEKS!! in advance. This is a film that may truly blow up if early feedback can be believed and it's coming in with huge anticipation. I'm pretty sure baby Groot has more love than anybody in the JL right now and the question is if this group of characters can lay the wood to JL with both having one film worth of buildup and JL having so much more comic history, what does that say? What does it mean? Not trying to make a sly comment, but when is it coming out again? May? That's true about baby groot....he's adorable, like a bb8. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 28, 2017 4:10:33 GMT
Guardians 2 is preselling tickets 6 WEEKS!! in advance. This is a film that may truly blow up if early feedback can be believed and it's coming in with huge anticipation. I'm pretty sure baby Groot has more love than anybody in the JL right now and the question is if this group of characters can lay the wood to JL with both having one film worth of buildup and JL having so much more comic history, what does that say? What does it mean? Not trying to make a sly comment, but when is it coming out again? May? That's true about baby groot....he's adorable, like a bb8. Yeah it's about 6 weeks. A month and a half. This is real early for tickets to go on sale. They're expecting turnout and not only that but they're trying to gage where. I expect they'll shift marketing to key areas based on the pre ticket sales so they can really max this out. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 28, 2017 4:13:18 GMT
I think JL is meant to pick the DCEU up from the depths This is the problem. Justice League should be a payoff film, not a savior. Avengers was a culmination film. Civil War was a culmination film. Infinity War will definitely be a culmination film. That's what those films are supposed to be, the payoff to a well executed buildup with years of anticipation behind it.
If Justice League is setting it back to square 1, it's just not doing what a film like that has the potential to really do, and it's why, at least this first few films of the DCU will be looked back on as a very sad exercise.
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Post by brownstones on Mar 28, 2017 4:16:43 GMT
Oh right, so what does it mean? Idk, GOTG2 is following a pretty enjoyable film, which was fun, humorous, nice to look at (GOTG2 takes that up a notch with new ass cameras), simply had a wide reach.
BvS, yeah I know it's flawed, hated by some, loved by others, I think most people (GA) thought it was "okay".......not ideal. At this point JL isn't meant to break records, but to reestablish the Dc films as a product viable to "all" .....hence the "buttrock" music in the trailer, trying to present the film as more "fun" movie, and so far the majority seems fairly into the new trailer.
Simply put, sequel to well liked movie will probably do well, sequel to a mixed film....could go either way, and finally.....trailers are....very......very important.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Mar 28, 2017 4:18:38 GMT
I think JL is meant to pick the DCEU up from the depths This is the problem. Justice League should be a payoff film, not a savior. Avengers was a culmination film. Civil War was a culmination film. Infinity War will definitely be a culmination film. That's what those films are supposed to be, the payoff to a well executed buildup with years of anticipation behind it.
If Justice League is setting it back to square 1, it's just not doing what a film like that has the potential to really do, and it's why, at least this first few films of the DCU will be looked back on as a very sad exercise.
Ya Suicide Squad really should have been the "savior" film and JL should've been the movie to (maybe partially) bring the DCEU into greatness. Suicide Squad really dug DC into a massive hole. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 28, 2017 4:22:17 GMT
This is the problem. Justice League should be a payoff film, not a savior. Avengers was a culmination film. Civil War was a culmination film. Infinity War will definitely be a culmination film. That's what those films are supposed to be, the payoff to a well executed buildup with years of anticipation behind it.
If Justice League is setting it back to square 1, it's just not doing what a film like that has the potential to really do, and it's why, at least this first few films of the DCU will be looked back on as a very sad exercise.
Ya Suicide Squad really should have been the "savior" film and JL should've been the movie to (maybe partially) bring the DCEU into greatness. Suicide Squad really dug DC into a massive hole. I'm not sure that SS could have been the savior film. It's basically completely unrelated, so it'd be like expecting the Guardians film to save the MCU when it has very little to do with the other characters. I suppose if you mean that it could have shown WB to be competent, then yeah sure I'll agree with that. It did dig DC isn't a massive hole, especially since BVS was so torched and even MOS was not all that well received. It was ok, and if that was the worst film they had they'd be doing just fine, but it was the best they had. |
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Post by brownstones on Mar 28, 2017 4:41:59 GMT
I think JL is meant to pick the DCEU up from the depths This is the problem. Justice League should be a payoff film, not a savior. Avengers was a culmination film. Civil War was a culmination film. Infinity War will definitely be a culmination film. That's what those films are supposed to be, the payoff to a well executed buildup with years of anticipation behind it.
If Justice League is setting it back to square 1, it's just not doing what a film like that has the potential to really do, and it's why, at least this first few films of the DCU will be looked back on as a very sad exercise.
The thing with DC is that they spent so....much.......time waiting. I mean they tried to get going with that Reynolds GL movie, but was there even a plan after that film? And even a bit before MoS they considered another self contained superman trilogy.....when Marvel was a year or so away from their Avengers film. Would it have been a better series? Probably, but they would have sat on their hands for another decade before properly considering a shared universe again. And by the time TDKR ended WB/DC was about 4 years/6 films behind, and starting a shared universe very late in the game always looks bad. So it took a guy like Snyder to actually make them say "f-it let's do it".......the problem is (outside of any issues you, and other may or may not have with Snyder) it still wasn't their main intention to make this a shared universe, so they created their line-up on the fly, with very loose story points and connectivity. If they had gone into MoS with the clear intention of making a universe people wouldn't be so mixed on it, and we could have still had BvS as the second film.....if they had planned it from day one rather than drafts for MoS2. Besides, WB was planning a JL film as the starting off point and that would have been the furthest thing from a culmination. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 28, 2017 4:46:03 GMT
The thing with DC is that they spent so....much.......time waiting. I mean they tried to get going with that Reynolds GL movie, but was there even a plan after that film? And even a bit before MoS they considered another self contained superman trilogy.....when Marvel was a year or so away from their Avengers film. Would it have been a better series? Probably, but they would have sat on their hands for another decade before properly considering a shared universe again. And by the time TDKR ended WB/DC was about 4 years/6 films behind, and starting a shared universe very late in the game always looks bad. So it took a guy like Snyder to actually make them say "f-it let's do it".......the problem is (outside of any issues you, and other may or may not have with Snyder) it still wasn't their main intention to make this a shared universe, so they created their line-up on the fly, with very loose story points and connectivity. If they had gone into MoS with the clear intention of making a universe people wouldn't be so mixed on it, and we could have still had BvS as the second film.....if they had planned it from day one rather than drafts for MoS2. Besides, WB was planning a JL film as the starting off point and that would have been the furthest thing from a culmination. Well said, all of it.
It's just obviously all written on the fly, no planning, no craft. It's insulting frankly. If they are going to care so little, then I don't know why I would support them.
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Post by darkpast on Mar 28, 2017 4:54:46 GMT
Baby Groot, no thanks. Reminds me of an overrated comedy sequel  |
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Post by brownstones on Mar 28, 2017 5:55:11 GMT
The thing with DC is that they spent so....much.......time waiting. I mean they tried to get going with that Reynolds GL movie, but was there even a plan after that film? And even a bit before MoS they considered another self contained superman trilogy.....when Marvel was a year or so away from their Avengers film. Would it have been a better series? Probably, but they would have sat on their hands for another decade before properly considering a shared universe again. And by the time TDKR ended WB/DC was about 4 years/6 films behind, and starting a shared universe very late in the game always looks bad. So it took a guy like Snyder to actually make them say "f-it let's do it".......the problem is (outside of any issues you, and other may or may not have with Snyder) it still wasn't their main intention to make this a shared universe, so they created their line-up on the fly, with very loose story points and connectivity. If they had gone into MoS with the clear intention of making a universe people wouldn't be so mixed on it, and we could have still had BvS as the second film.....if they had planned it from day one rather than drafts for MoS2. Besides, WB was planning a JL film as the starting off point and that would have been the furthest thing from a culmination. Well said, all of it.
It's just obviously all written on the fly, no planning, no craft. It's insulting frankly. If they are going to care so little, then I don't know why I would support them.
It's not that they dont care, it's that they feel there isn't enough time, they've gone through script after script after script for a BvS, a Superman film, a WW film, etc. and every moment they've second guessed themselves.....granted.........all information we have on those look kind of worse (imo). And maybe there isn't "enough" time, 5 heroes, maybe 6 heroes, maybe 7 films, 6/7 seven years......a 2020/2021 first JL film....assuming they began around 2013/2014, Marvel begins....or ends? (I'm not sure) their fourth phase, DC still trying to complete their first one, and by point it can be very "been there, done that" and that it is, but can be. Are they rushing? Yeah maybe, but only after decades of second guessing every project. |
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Post by miike80 on Mar 28, 2017 6:36:43 GMT
I do think Guardians will make more than JL, there's much love for the first one, it's actually in my top 3 MCU movies up there with Avengers 1 and Winter Soldier. However, I hope that JL does well also, I liked BVS, not really liked MOS and hated SS.
In competition with other CBM's this year JL will probably do better than Thor, WW and possibly Spiderman(not too sure about that)
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Post by chasallnut on Mar 28, 2017 11:40:44 GMT
I think JL is meant to pick the DCEU up from the depths This is the problem. Justice League should be a payoff film, not a savior. Avengers was a culmination film. Civil War was a culmination film. Infinity War will definitely be a culmination film. That's what those films are supposed to be, the payoff to a well executed buildup with years of anticipation behind it.
If Justice League is setting it back to square 1, it's just not doing what a film like that has the potential to really do, and it's why, at least this first few films of the DCU will be looked back on as a very sad exercise.
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Post by chasallnut on Mar 28, 2017 11:44:23 GMT
The thing with DC is that they spent so....much.......time waiting. I mean they tried to get going with that Reynolds GL movie, but was there even a plan after that film? And even a bit before MoS they considered another self contained superman trilogy.....when Marvel was a year or so away from their Avengers film. Would it have been a better series? Probably, but they would have sat on their hands for another decade before properly considering a shared universe again. And by the time TDKR ended WB/DC was about 4 years/6 films behind, and starting a shared universe very late in the game always looks bad. So it took a guy like Snyder to actually make them say "f-it let's do it".......the problem is (outside of any issues you, and other may or may not have with Snyder) it still wasn't their main intention to make this a shared universe, so they created their line-up on the fly, with very loose story points and connectivity. If they had gone into MoS with the clear intention of making a universe people wouldn't be so mixed on it, and we could have still had BvS as the second film.....if they had planned it from day one rather than drafts for MoS2. Besides, WB was planning a JL film as the starting off point and that would have been the furthest thing from a culmination. Well said, all of it.
It's just obviously all written on the fly, no planning, no craft. It's insulting frankly. If they are going to care so little, then I don't know why I would support them.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 28, 2017 13:45:19 GMT
Guardians 2 is preselling tickets 6 WEEKS!! in advance. This is a film that may truly blow up if early feedback can be believed and it's coming in with huge anticipation. I'm pretty sure baby Groot has more love than anybody in the JL right now and the question is if this group of characters can lay the wood to JL with both having one film worth of buildup and JL having so much more comic history, what does that say? What does it mean? Not trying to make a sly comment, but when is it coming out again? May? That's true about baby groot.... he's adorable, like a bb8. BB8 represents everything cynical, greedy, and sinful about those shitfest Disney Wars movies: created purely because their hack market research told them, "Everyone in America already owns an R2D2 toy, so let's make this new stupid too-cute-by-half little bobble-thing to sell some fucking toys to morons." Sickening. And the little asshole is nothing but a nuisance! Unlike R2, who saves the day countless times. But I digress. And you KNOW they showed all the funny moments with that stupid little tree in the trailer!  |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 28, 2017 13:57:45 GMT
Well said, all of it.
It's just obviously all written on the fly, no planning, no craft. It's insulting frankly. If they are going to care so little, then I don't know why I would support them.
Then don't support them . Your arrogance of your own self importance is nothing short of comedic. ok |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 28, 2017 14:55:50 GMT
Not trying to make a sly comment, but when is it coming out again? May? That's true about baby groot.... he's adorable, like a bb8. BB8 represents everything cynical, greedy, and sinful about those shitfest Disney Wars movies: created purely because their hack market research told them, "Everyone in America already owns an R2D2 toy, so let's make this new stupid too-cute-by-half little bobble-thing to sell some fucking toys to morons." Sickening. And the little asshole is nothing but a nuisance! Unlike R2, who saves the day countless times. But I digress. And you KNOW they showed all the funny moments with that stupid little tree in the trailer! Okay, I think you're taking the merchandise driven aspects of the franchise a bit too seriously. Is BB8's function as a character a bit cynical and manipulative? Yes, but it's hardly worse than the ewoks in that regard. At least it isn't a minion... |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 28, 2017 15:04:52 GMT
BB8 represents everything cynical, greedy, and sinful about those shitfest Disney Wars movies: created purely because their hack market research told them, "Everyone in America already owns an R2D2 toy, so let's make this new stupid too-cute-by-half little bobble-thing to sell some fucking toys to morons." Sickening. And the little asshole is nothing but a nuisance! Unlike R2, who saves the day countless times. But I digress. And you KNOW they showed all the funny moments with that stupid little tree in the trailer! Okay, I think you're taking the merchandise driven aspects of the franchise a bit too seriously. Is BB8's function as a character a bit cynical and manipulative? Yes, but it's hardly worse than the ewoks in that regard. At least it isn't a minion... BB8 was created for the sake of creating a new character without any organic narrative need solely to sell toys. Just like TFA was created for the sake of creating a new Star Wars movie without any preexisting narrative impetus solely to sell tickets.
The former is just a tasteless cash-grab, and a redundant one to boot when we've already got the iconic R2D2 character available; however, because the latter was a completely offensive, disgusting cash-grab predicated on retconning essentially all of Return of the Jedi out of existence and more or less executing a potboiler rewrite of Star Wars it taints the little shit-ball by association pretty badly. And the character was fucking obnoxious. I would've been fine if it would just disappeared arbitrarily at any point in the film, along with Rey and Kylo, two of the most insipid and pathetic pieces of shit I've ever been forced to endure in any film. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 28, 2017 16:30:29 GMT
I think GotG 2 looks okay but not great. Once again, it's probably because I hate the new style in these modern trailers, but who knows. Justice League won't beat GotG 2 at the Box Office, but I think JL is meant to pick the DCEU up from the depths instead of save it all at once. I liked Man of Steel and BvS, but I hated Suicide Squad A LOT. If JL can be good, then it will simply bring the DCEU back to square one. Then Aquaman, Flash, Wonder Woman, and Batman solo films will need to elevate the franchise into (relative) greatness if they can. I think Wonder Woman has a better chance at saving the DCEU than Justice League. Hopefully JL doesn't drop it back down in the same year. |
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