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Post by heeeeey on Nov 11, 2018 22:39:28 GMT
Actually, I misspoke. I meant to say that consciousness is a different level of energy. Which is, of course, completely meaningless bullshit. We know what consciousness is, and no one talks about it in terms of "energy"--which, I repeat, can only be carried by particles, so even your bullshit requires consciousness to be physical. There you go, name dropping stuff you don't understand. Absolutely nothing in the work of Bohm has anything to do with consciousness. Nothing. (And don't try to fool anyone into believing you yourself have read anything by this guy other than a headline or a quote you never understood in the first place.) More complete and utter bullshit with no support at all in the scientific literature. This latest lie isn't as dumb as your hilarious claim that there are conscious animals which don't have brains, but it is nonetheless utterly divorced from reality. You just can't help putting your foot in it time and time again, can you?
It's related to consciousness if everything is energy, which it is. There is an energy field around everything, and physicists say there is energy in what seems to be empty space. And Wilder Penfield's experiments proved that the brain records everything. What experiments has your dumb ass conducted?
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Post by heeeeey on Nov 11, 2018 22:45:33 GMT
Actually, I misspoke. I meant to say that consciousness is a different level of energy. I strongly suggest you read the work of David Bohm. He said that all matter is frozen light.As for the brain, it records every moment of a person's lifetime. That's why some people say they saw their life flash before their eyes. Why the eff would the brain bother to record everything if it's only going to end in death? I know why, and you don't. You always misspeak, because you understanding and knowledge is faulty and fixated on pseudo science with a confirmatory bias towards your already fixed nonsensical ideas. Please tell us all which 'particles' are involved in this 'level of energy', since energy requires something to be applied to, and what has the temperature or state of 'light' got to do with the properties of 'matter'? Yes, the brain stories our experiences as memories in a special area or areas of the brain. That is its function. Yes, when there is chemical interruption, often as the result of oxygen deprivation in the near death experience, the part of the storing of memories can be activate. This is scientifically proven and accepted. Since this is the way a brain functions from about 2-3 years old, the answer is that this is part of the brain's function. There is no specific intent, it just happens. Also the 'brain' has no consciousness of when death will occur so it maintains its functions until death, when it dies and everything stops. Could you be this stupid? It has been explained to you over and over and the scientific proof is there should you research real science and not the pseudo science you cling to in a pathetic attempt to prove your own ignorant views You don't know everything about the brain, obviously. Nor even what it actually is. If everything is energy, and energy cannot be created or destroyed, then reasonable people can conclude that consciousness is a form of energy that doesn't end at death.
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Post by goz on Nov 11, 2018 23:27:34 GMT
You always misspeak, because you understanding and knowledge is faulty and fixated on pseudo science with a confirmatory bias towards your already fixed nonsensical ideas. Please tell us all which 'particles' are involved in this 'level of energy', since energy requires something to be applied to, and what has the temperature or state of 'light' got to do with the properties of 'matter'? Yes, the brain stories our experiences as memories in a special area or areas of the brain. That is its function. Yes, when there is chemical interruption, often as the result of oxygen deprivation in the near death experience, the part of the storing of memories can be activate. This is scientifically proven and accepted. Since this is the way a brain functions from about 2-3 years old, the answer is that this is part of the brain's function. There is no specific intent, it just happens. Also the 'brain' has no consciousness of when death will occur so it maintains its functions until death, when it dies and everything stops. Could you be this stupid? It has been explained to you over and over and the scientific proof is there should you research real science and not the pseudo science you cling to in a pathetic attempt to prove your own ignorant views You don't know everything about the brain, obviously. Nor even what it actually is. If everything is energy, and energy cannot be created or destroyed, then reasonable people can conclude that consciousness is a form of energy that doesn't end at death. It should not be my job to educate yo, butt for the purposes of this discussion. Clearly EVERYTHING is NOT energy. You need an object or at very least a particle upon which 'energy' can perform work on, or heat. ONCE you tell us 1. exactly WHAT object or particle in consciousness this 'energy' is working on or heating AND 2. tell us the process by which this (?) (whatever you know it and can prove it to be as an energised something) that allegedly survives death, is... we MAY be able to discuss this further, though I seriously doubt it, because everything that is identifiably human, ends at death. The remains transfer into other substances and chemicals which DO involve energy in the breaking down of bacteria, and/or releasing stored energy in the process of cremation. I think you are confused. I hope this scientific explanation helps. Your problem is that you are confusing consciousness, which dies as a result of brain death, with the remaining energy which gets transmitted into the universe as a result of the breakdown of your body and ALL its processes. Basically your 'energy' or 'light' needs a vehicle. I love this concept, which also may help you understand
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Post by heeeeey on Nov 11, 2018 23:42:54 GMT
You don't know everything about the brain, obviously. Nor even what it actually is. If everything is energy, and energy cannot be created or destroyed, then reasonable people can conclude that consciousness is a form of energy that doesn't end at death. It should not be my job to educate yo, butt for the purposes of this discussion. Clearly EVERYTHING is NOT energy. You need an object or at very least a particle upon which 'energy' can perform work on, or heat. ONCE you tell us 1. exactly WHAT object or particle in consciousness this 'energy' is working on or heating AND 2. tell us the process by which this (?) (whatever you know it and can prove it to be as an energised something) that allegedly survives death, is... we MAY be able to discuss this further, though I seriously doubt it, because everything that is identifiably human, ends at death. The remains transfer into other substances and chemicals which DO involve energy in the breaking down of bacteria, and/or releasing stored energy in the process of cremation. I think you are confused. I hope this scientific explanation helps. Your problem is that you are confusing consciousness, which dies as a result of brain death, with the remaining energy which gets transmitted into the universe as a result of the breakdown of your body and ALL its processes. Basically your 'energy' or 'light' needs a vehicle. I love this concept, which also may help you understand Clearly those studies are incomplete. There is LOTS missing. That last paragraph almost sounds like something out of the '40s---very primitive and even more speculative than you claim I am. The truth is, we retain our consciousness and self-awareness, which expands beyond the confines of the five senses. Those atoms you refer to aren't what contains consciousness.
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Post by goz on Nov 11, 2018 23:52:20 GMT
It should not be my job to educate yo, butt for the purposes of this discussion. Clearly EVERYTHING is NOT energy. You need an object or at very least a particle upon which 'energy' can perform work on, or heat. ONCE you tell us 1. exactly WHAT object or particle in consciousness this 'energy' is working on or heating AND 2. tell us the process by which this (?) (whatever you know it and can prove it to be as an energised something) that allegedly survives death, is... we MAY be able to discuss this further, though I seriously doubt it, because everything that is identifiably human, ends at death. The remains transfer into other substances and chemicals which DO involve energy in the breaking down of bacteria, and/or releasing stored energy in the process of cremation. I think you are confused. I hope this scientific explanation helps. Your problem is that you are confusing consciousness, which dies as a result of brain death, with the remaining energy which gets transmitted into the universe as a result of the breakdown of your body and ALL its processes. Basically your 'energy' or 'light' needs a vehicle. I love this concept, which also may help you understand Clearly those studies are incomplete. There is LOTS missing. That last paragraph almost sounds like something out of the '40s---very primitive and even more speculative than you claim I am. The truth is, we retain our consciousness and self-awareness, which expands beyond the confines of the five senses. Those atoms you refer to aren't what contains consciousness....then what does? The atoms are all that is left of a human. The five senses have nothing to do with it since they die at brain death
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Post by rizdek on Nov 12, 2018 0:11:47 GMT
I'm sure you've all heard of an NDE (Near Death Experience). The stories I've heard are virtually identical. Atheist asshats say they are caused by the brain because it's 'so terrified' of dying that it makes up a little story to make the unconscious person who is dying 'feel better'. LOL. Have you ever heard of anything more stupid? So I guess people who aren't afraid of dying shouldn't be having them. First of all, if I'm unconscious and ready to become non-existent, unaware of anything around me, why in the hell would I need a little hallucination to make me feel better? Presumably, I wouldn't even know or care one way or another. So why would my brain bother to create this little "hallucination"? Now, I'm sure Goz will pipe in about her car accident where she got knocked out for a few minutes and unconscious, and because she didn't experience anything other-wordly, she concluded that that's how it is when people die. She won't explain why her brain didn't produce a little story to make her feel better though. Btw, the reason that happened is because at no point was she ever officially declared dead. She was just knocked out for a few. I never heard an atheist say that...got any references/citations/evidence?
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Post by heeeeey on Nov 12, 2018 1:40:28 GMT
Clearly those studies are incomplete. There is LOTS missing. That last paragraph almost sounds like something out of the '40s---very primitive and even more speculative than you claim I am. The truth is, we retain our consciousness and self-awareness, which expands beyond the confines of the five senses. Those atoms you refer to aren't what contains consciousness....then what does? The atoms are all that is left of a human. The five senses have nothing to do with it since they die at brain death The answer to that is very simple. You are not your body. Your body is the container the soul needs to function in this dense frequency. Granted, science can't prove it yet, which is why quantum physics continues to pursue the field. The five senses are limited to the body. According to Tesla, the secret to everything revolves around energy, vibration, and frequency.
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Post by goz on Nov 12, 2018 1:58:33 GMT
...then what does? The atoms are all that is left of a human. The five senses have nothing to do with it since they die at brain death The answer to that is very simple. You are not your body. Your body is the container the soul needs to function in this dense frequency. Granted, science can't prove it yet, which is why quantum physics continues to pursue the field. The five senses are limited to the body. According to Tesla, the secret to everything revolves around energy, vibration, and frequency. Yes, you are your body and your consciousness is seated in the brain. This governs the rest of your working body and its living qualities. There is no such thing as soul. How do you know this? You have zero evidence of even the slightest evidence of them even pursuing this in the scientific field. You wouldn't know what discoveries are made in quantum physics if they hit you on the arse in a peer reviewed paper. You just post shit from out of your arse. Please tell us all about these! What does energy move or heat? How about vibration? How does that make a soul? What relation does it have to anything? Frequency? What kind of waves or whatever you can think of makes all this nonsense into a viable theory with proof? AGAIN beware of the God of the Gaps' argument which you spout as 'science hasn't found this yet because reasons and it is too complex for us to understand so...'soul'. Please also be aware that scientists DO have workable and working knowledge of how the brain functions as they are working with human brains as I said with Parkinsons and stroke victims etc ...whereas you know shit. Who are these scientists who have discovered the human soul or even working on it? You know Tesla is dead right? He die in 1943 and science has come a huge way since then!
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Post by heeeeey on Nov 12, 2018 3:19:46 GMT
The answer to that is very simple. You are not your body. Your body is the container the soul needs to function in this dense frequency. Granted, science can't prove it yet, which is why quantum physics continues to pursue the field. The five senses are limited to the body. According to Tesla, the secret to everything revolves around energy, vibration, and frequency. Yes, you are your body and your consciousness is seated in the brain. This governs the rest of your working body and its living qualities. There is no such thing as soul. How do you know this? You have zero evidence of even the slightest evidence of them even pursuing this in the scientific field. You wouldn't know what discoveries are made in quantum physics if they hit you on the arse in a peer reviewed paper. You just post shit from out of your arse. Please tell us all about these! What does energy move or heat? How about vibration? How does that make a soul? What relation does it have to anything? Frequency? What kind of waves or whatever you can think of makes all this nonsense into a viable theory with proof? AGAIN beware of the God of the Gaps' argument which you spout as 'science hasn't found this yet because reasons and it is too complex for us to understand so...'soul'. Please also be aware that scientists DO have workable and working knowledge of how the brain functions as they are working with human brains as I said with Parkinsons and stroke victims etc ...whereas you know shit. Who are these scientists who have discovered the human soul or even working on it? You know Tesla is dead right? He die in 1943 and science has come a huge way since then! By your limited rationale, electricity didn't exist until Benjamin Franklin discovered it. The soul could be likened to electricity.
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Post by goz on Nov 12, 2018 6:34:54 GMT
Yes, you are your body and your consciousness is seated in the brain. This governs the rest of your working body and its living qualities. There is no such thing as soul. How do you know this? You have zero evidence of even the slightest evidence of them even pursuing this in the scientific field. You wouldn't know what discoveries are made in quantum physics if they hit you on the arse in a peer reviewed paper. You just post shit from out of your arse. Please tell us all about these! What does energy move or heat? How about vibration? How does that make a soul? What relation does it have to anything? Frequency? What kind of waves or whatever you can think of makes all this nonsense into a viable theory with proof? AGAIN beware of the God of the Gaps' argument which you spout as 'science hasn't found this yet because reasons and it is too complex for us to understand so...'soul'. Please also be aware that scientists DO have workable and working knowledge of how the brain functions as they are working with human brains as I said with Parkinsons and stroke victims etc ...whereas you know shit. Who are these scientists who have discovered the human soul or even working on it? You know Tesla is dead right? He die in 1943 and science has come a huge way since then! By your limited rationale, electricity didn't exist until Benjamin Franklin discovered it. The soul could be likened to electricity. I never mentioned electricity. So, the soul is NOT now what you said before... it's NOW electricity?
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Post by heeeeey on Nov 12, 2018 10:28:29 GMT
By your limited rationale, electricity didn't exist until Benjamin Franklin discovered it. The soul could be likened to electricity. I never mentioned electricity. So, the soul is NOT now what you said before... it's NOW electricity? No, I said it can be likened to electricity...you know, that thing that didn't exist before Ben Franklin discovered it. You have posted no proof whatsoever that consciousness resides in the brain. Any study that uses words like 'probably' is speculative, not definitive. Go ahead and post a consensus of the entire science community that consciousness resides in the brain
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Nov 12, 2018 10:51:12 GMT
I never mentioned electricity. So, the soul is NOT now what you said before... it's NOW electricity? No, I said it can be likened to electricity...you know, that thing that didn't exist before Ben Franklin discovered it. You have posted no proof whatsoever that consciousness resides in the brain. Any study that uses words like 'probably' is speculative, not definite. Go ahead and post a consensus of the entire science community that consciousness resides in the brain That's called the peer review process, aka gangster science. As a side note, it looks as if Goz is going to be your new archenemy now that Jill is no more. IMO, Jill was more of a challenge than Goz will ever be.
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Post by faustus5 on Nov 12, 2018 11:34:32 GMT
And Wilder Penfield's experiments proved that the brain records everything. Wilder Penfield's experiments did absolutely nothing of the sort, ignorant dumbass. You follow headlines in articles by journalists and that is where your understanding ends, so all you have in your idiotic head are misconceptions, not science.
Don't try to argue with someone who has regularly studied a subject when you yourself don't know a goddamn thing about it. It just makes you look really, really dumb.
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Post by amyghost on Nov 12, 2018 12:43:19 GMT
I think in your case it's chemicals in the brain, and you should seek professional help in getting them adjusted. Actually, I misspoke. I meant to say that consciousness is a different level of energy. I strongly suggest you read the work of David Bohm. He said that all matter is frozen light. As for the brain, it records every moment of a person's lifetime. That's why some people say they saw their life flash before their eyes. Why the eff would the brain bother to record everything if it's only going to end in death? I know why, and you don't. It records everything because what's what it's meant to do. 'Consciousness' per se, has nothing to do with that. You could give a tape recorder 'consciousness' (in fact, the time may soon be at hand when forms of AI will possess it), but when it reached the end of its functional, physical life, you wouldn't expect it to sprout wings and fly off to heaven. Matter is frozen light. Yep, and Bohm, Chopra, and all these other hucksters are genuine quantum physicists. Your consciousness is programmed to accept anything. Except evident truth, that is.
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Post by heeeeey on Nov 12, 2018 13:20:21 GMT
And Wilder Penfield's experiments proved that the brain records everything. Wilder Penfield's experiments did absolutely nothing of the sort, ignorant dumbass. You follow headlines in articles by journalists and that is where your understanding ends, so all you have in your idiotic head are misconceptions, not science.
Don't try to argue with someone who has regularly studied a subject when you yourself don't know a goddamn thing about it. It just makes you look really, really dumb. Which hasn't done you a damned bit of good. Know all about the brain, do you?
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Post by heeeeey on Nov 12, 2018 13:21:27 GMT
Actually, I misspoke. I meant to say that consciousness is a different level of energy. I strongly suggest you read the work of David Bohm. He said that all matter is frozen light. As for the brain, it records every moment of a person's lifetime. That's why some people say they saw their life flash before their eyes. Why the eff would the brain bother to record everything if it's only going to end in death? I know why, and you don't. It records everything because what's what it's meant to do. 'Consciousness' per se, has nothing to do with that. You could give a tape recorder 'consciousness' (in fact, the time may soon be at hand when forms of AI will possess it), but when it reached the end of its functional, physical life, you wouldn't expect it to sprout wings and fly off to heaven. Matter is frozen light. Yep, and Bohm, Chopra, and all these other hucksters are genuine quantum physicists. Your consciousness is programmed to accept anything. Except evident truth, that is. Thanks for the lesson, Einstein. Btw, I'm sure you and the other atheists here have your own Wikipedia pages listing all your Cracker Jack degrees, but I find you all to be archaic and dense thinkers. You think every civilisation from the ancient Egyptians to the ancient Hindus to the Native American are all full of crap. Well, that's okay. God won't hold your ignorance against you.
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Post by general313 on Nov 12, 2018 16:16:51 GMT
It records everything because what's what it's meant to do. 'Consciousness' per se, has nothing to do with that. You could give a tape recorder 'consciousness' (in fact, the time may soon be at hand when forms of AI will possess it), but when it reached the end of its functional, physical life, you wouldn't expect it to sprout wings and fly off to heaven. Matter is frozen light. Yep, and Bohm, Chopra, and all these other hucksters are genuine quantum physicists. Your consciousness is programmed to accept anything. Except evident truth, that is. Thanks for the lesson, Einstein. Btw, I'm sure you and the other atheists here have your own Wikipedia pages listing all your Cracker Jack degrees, but I find you all to be archaic and dense thinkers. You think every civilisation from the ancient Egyptians to the ancient Hindus to the Native American are all full of crap. Well, that's okay. God won't hold your ignorance against you. Do ever express a thought that you didn't pull out of your ass? Provide a link showing atheists thinking that ancient Egyptians are full of crap.
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Post by progressiveelement on Nov 12, 2018 16:23:34 GMT
It records everything because what's what it's meant to do. 'Consciousness' per se, has nothing to do with that. You could give a tape recorder 'consciousness' (in fact, the time may soon be at hand when forms of AI will possess it), but when it reached the end of its functional, physical life, you wouldn't expect it to sprout wings and fly off to heaven. Matter is frozen light. Yep, and Bohm, Chopra, and all these other hucksters are genuine quantum physicists. Your consciousness is programmed to accept anything. Except evident truth, that is. Thanks for the lesson, Einstein. Btw, I'm sure you and the other atheists here have your own Wikipedia pages listing all your Cracker Jack degrees, but I find you all to be archaic and dense thinkers. You think every civilisation from the ancient Egyptians to the ancient Hindus to the Native American are all full of crap. Well, that's okay. God won't hold your ignorance against you. You don't think your attitude may have something to do with how people react to you?
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Post by faustus5 on Nov 12, 2018 18:08:03 GMT
Know all about the brain, do you? I know considerably more than you do, as evidenced by the fact that you routinely post completely ignorant bullshit about brains and consciousness that no one familiar with the subject would ever do.
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Post by heeeeey on Nov 12, 2018 18:38:43 GMT
Thanks for the lesson, Einstein. Btw, I'm sure you and the other atheists here have your own Wikipedia pages listing all your Cracker Jack degrees, but I find you all to be archaic and dense thinkers. You think every civilisation from the ancient Egyptians to the ancient Hindus to the Native American are all full of crap. Well, that's okay. God won't hold your ignorance against you. You don't think your attitude may have something to do with how people react to you? What about the attitude of the atheists who are here for the expressed purpose of ridiculing believers? I simply headed them off at the pass.
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