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Post by havenless on Nov 14, 2018 3:52:29 GMT
It is a no-no idea on the DC board, but Feige basically has his hands on everything, as opposed to letting ‘auteur’ directors run around like chickens with their heads cut off. Find a Feige is basically the blueprint.
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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 14, 2018 3:55:01 GMT
It is a no-no idea on the DC board, but Feige basically has his hands on everything, as opposed to letting ‘auteur’ directors run around like chickens with their heads cut off. Find a Feige is basically the blueprint. I like auteur directors who run around like chickens with their heads cut off. I like making art.
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Post by havenless on Nov 14, 2018 4:01:30 GMT
It is a no-no idea on the DC board, but Feige basically has his hands on everything, as opposed to letting ‘auteur’ directors run around like chickens with their heads cut off. Find a Feige is basically the blueprint. I like auteur directors who run around like chickens with their heads cut off. I like making art. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. I understand. But on the flip side, it doesn’t make that much sense to do that and then try and connect sometimes drastically different tones. This is what the Feige thing is about. For this specific purpose the thread is about. Conversely, for a one-off Joker movie or the like, auteur is the only way to go.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 14, 2018 4:03:36 GMT
It is a no-no idea on the DC board, but Feige basically has his hands on everything, as opposed to letting ‘auteur’ directors run around like chickens with their heads cut off. Find a Feige is basically the blueprint. I like auteur directors who run around like chickens with their heads cut off. I like making art.
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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 14, 2018 4:18:44 GMT
I like auteur directors who run around like chickens with their heads cut off. I like making art. Yeah, that too.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 14, 2018 4:20:29 GMT
I know people are critical of this period of Allen's work, but I think Hollywood Ending is hilarious.
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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 14, 2018 4:23:00 GMT
I know people are critical of this period of Allen’s work, but I think Hollywood Ending is hilarious. I’ve never been a huge Allen fan, but I far prefer his later work to his earlier work (with the exception of the really early, purely funny stuff). I think Midnight in Paris is one of the best things he’s ever done. But I know it’s an atypical opinion.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 14, 2018 4:34:37 GMT
I know people are critical of this period of Allen’s work, but I think Hollywood Ending is hilarious. I’ve never been a huge Allen fan, but I far prefer his later work to his earlier work (with the exception of the really early, purely funny stuff). I think Midnight in Paris is one of the best things he’s ever done. But I know it’s an atypical opinion. Man, that's largely where I'm at. I love the comedies, the Annie Hall era -- most of the 70s stuff -- and then everything from the mid-90s on; the period that's less accessible to me is like the 80s and some of the early-90s stuff. But like: I love little underrated gems like Hollywood Ending, Anything Else, and especially Small-Time Crooks! Not to be jarringly and randomly political, but the main characters in STC are the closest filmic depiction of how I imagine the current administration in the White House. But I digress. Then there's some really good more recent stuff, like you said -- including Midnight in Paris, Whatever Works (your mileage may've varied), and Match Point, which might be the single best movie he's ever written and directed. You ever see that one?
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Nov 14, 2018 4:35:53 GMT
I didn’t love Annie Hall, but Match Point was absolutely awesome. A must-watch for sure.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 14, 2018 4:53:51 GMT
I didn’t love Annie Hall, but Match Point was absolutely awesome. A must-watch for sure. Agreed. I think it really stands apart from most (maybe even all) of his work in a really positive way. You think there are any MCU directors like that -- where you saw their Marvel movie and then checked out their other body of work only to find it either very different or different from what you expected? I remember being surprised a decade ago when I saw that the guy who wrote Swingers was directing Iron Man. But I also didn't realize at the time that he'd done Elf, which in the weirdest way is sort of halfway between a low-budget comedy and a big-budget action movie (a big-budget comedy) so in retrospect I don't know that he fits.
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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 14, 2018 5:03:46 GMT
I haven’t seen Match Point, but it’s on my list, coldenhaulfield… I admittedly take my time to watch Allen films, if only because there have been so many of his classics I haven’t liked. But my ever-expanding to-see list does have some Allens on it. As for Favreau, yeah, he’s all over the place (I can see Sarris putting him under “Miscellany”: “Jon Favreau has directed the best of the Marvels, an underrated sci-fi adventure, an overrated Christmas comedy–but what does Favreau add to his films, and what do his films say about Favreau?”). There have been Marvel directors with particular styles: Johnston ( The First Avenger looks and feels just like The Rocketeer), Whedon (which is probably why I hated The Avengers). I haven’t seen anything else by the guys who did Iron Man 3 or Thor: Ragnarok, but their visual styles are unique. But most of the directors, including even Branagh, were just eaten up in the grander, corporate, Feige-led plan.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 14, 2018 15:16:31 GMT
I haven’t seen Match Point, but it’s on my list, coldenhaulfield… I admittedly take my time to watch Allen films, if only because there have been so many of his classics I haven’t liked. But my ever-expanding to-see list does have some Allens on it. As for Favreau, yeah, he’s all over the place (I can see Sarris putting him under “Miscellany”: “Jon Favreau has directed the best of the Marvels, an underrated sci-fi adventure, an overrated Christmas comedy–but what does Favreau add to his films, and what do his films say about Favreau?”). There have been Marvel directors with particular styles: Johnston ( The First Avenger looks and feels just like The Rocketeer), Whedon (which is probably why I hated The Avengers). I haven’t seen anything else by the guys who did Iron Man 3 or Thor: Ragnarok, but their visual styles are unique. But most of the directors, including even Branagh, were just eaten up in the grander, corporate, Feige-led plan. You think Denis Villeneuve could do some interesting stuff or he'd be too hemmed in by the formula/machine? I haven't seen BR2049, but I've seen almost everything else he did -- including that fucked up, black-and-white school shooting movie that was pretty ahead of its time, Polytechnique -- and loved it all. You ever check out Enemy? I think he could make the most "cerebral" MCU movie ever and that it could be awesome.
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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 14, 2018 15:46:30 GMT
I haven’t seen anything of his, coldenhaulfield (there are tons of modern movies I haven’t seen), but I know everyone praised Arrival. As to the larger question, though, in just looking over his work I think that if he made a Marvel movie he would tailor (and be allowed to tailor) it to his own style. Marvel can permit individual artistic expression, though those instances seem to be addenda to the main story-line (almost as if it’s “OK, OK, we’ll throw the directors and writers a bone”). That’s not to say that individual artistic expression always turns out with a better movie, though: there’s no Favreau style that I can see, as I noted, yet I think Iron Man is still the best MCU movie. Whereas I think there’s a distinct Whedon style, at least a distinct Whedonesque writing style, which I think is awful. But at the end of the day it’s usually better to have some type of style, lest it become what Capra called “art by committee,” which is truly no art at all.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 14, 2018 18:08:46 GMT
I haven’t seen anything of his, coldenhaulfield (there are tons of modern movies I haven’t seen), but I know everyone praised Arrival. As to the larger question, though, in just looking over his work I think that if he made a Marvel movie he would tailor (and be allowed to tailor) it to his own style. Marvel can permit individual artistic expression, though those instances seem to be addenda to the main story-line (almost as if it’s “OK, OK, we’ll throw the directors and writers a bone”). That’s not to say that individual artistic expression always turns out with a better movie, though: there’s no Favreau style that I can see, as I noted, yet I think Iron Man is still the best MCU movie. Whereas I think there’s a distinct Whedon style, at least a distinct Whedonesque writing style, which I think is awful. But at the end of the day it’s usually better to have some type of style, lest it become what Capra called “art by committee,” which is truly no art at all. I am a mark for Whedon, when he's "on." And to me, he was Peak Whedon when he did Avengers, which I still think -- now that the afterglow of IW has faded somewhat -- is the best MCU movie. Maybe it's because I grew up watching Buffy, but the weird thing is: I've tried numerous times to go back to Sunnydale for a full series rewatch, and it strikes me as such cringe trash that I always give up somewhere in the middle of season one. Every character on the show is a goofball and a goober. So, maybe I wouldn't like Avengers as much now? I dunno. I've seen it once or twice in the last couple years and still really enjoyed it.
ETA: incidentally, Arrival is the only other DV movie I haven't seen; so the only ones I haven't seen are the ones everyone else has seen.
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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 14, 2018 18:38:06 GMT
I am a mark for Whedon, when he’s “on.” And to me, he was Peak Whedon when he did Avengers, which I still think – now that the afterglow of IW has faded somewhat – is the best MCU movie. Maybe it’s because I grew up watching Buffy, but the weird thing is: I’ve tried numerous times to go back to Sunnydale for a full series rewatch, and it strikes me as such cringe trash that I always give up somewhere in the middle of season one. Every character on the show is a goofball and a goober. So, maybe I wouldn’t like Avengers as much now? I dunno. I’ve seen it once or twice in the last couple years and still really enjoyed it. ETA: incidentally, Arrival is the only other DV movie I haven’t seen; so the only ones I haven’t seen are the ones everyone else has seen.
Interesting! Lord knows I’ve tried to get into Buffy. It seems to have some elements I like, so I keep thinking, OK, this’ll be the time I get it, and I just don’t. The acting in particular is just–well, “cringey,” as you said. I liked those villains “The Gentlemen,” though. There was stuff I liked in The Avengers–I really liked the way Hulk was handled, for example. But Whedon’s humor just isn’t my humor, I guess (that much-heralded post-credits scene with them in the restaurant makes me groan), and I didn’t like the big battle, blow ’er up aspect.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 14, 2018 19:05:55 GMT
I am a mark for Whedon, when he’s “on.” And to me, he was Peak Whedon when he did Avengers, which I still think – now that the afterglow of IW has faded somewhat – is the best MCU movie. Maybe it’s because I grew up watching Buffy, but the weird thing is: I’ve tried numerous times to go back to Sunnydale for a full series rewatch, and it strikes me as such cringe trash that I always give up somewhere in the middle of season one. Every character on the show is a goofball and a goober. So, maybe I wouldn’t like Avengers as much now? I dunno. I’ve seen it once or twice in the last couple years and still really enjoyed it. ETA: incidentally, Arrival is the only other DV movie I haven’t seen; so the only ones I haven’t seen are the ones everyone else has seen.
Interesting! Lord knows I’ve tried to get into Buffy. It seems to have some elements I like, so I keep thinking, OK, this’ll be the time I get it, and I just don’t. The acting in particular is just–well, “cringey,” as you said. I liked those villains “The Gentlemen,” though. There was stuff I liked in The Avengers–I really liked the way Hulk was handled, for example. But Whedon’s humor just isn’t my humor, I guess ( that much-heralded post-credits scene with them in the restaurant makes me groan), and I didn’t like the big battle, blow ’er up aspect. I thought that was the best scene in any MCU movie. Seriously. But then I thought this was by far the best scene in the new season of Twin Peaks: I like shit that feels like Raymond Carver could've written it. I watched that sweeping scene for the first time and was like:
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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 14, 2018 19:14:07 GMT
Ah! l’humour! Toujours personnel, toujours différent, toujours fou–comme l’amour éternelle, n’est-ce pas?
I’m weird, I know. I loved Garrison Keillor and A Prairie Home Companion, and Homer hated that.
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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 15, 2018 1:40:44 GMT
Speaking of famous movie I have/had yet to see, coldenhaulfield, I’m actually watching The Shining for the first time now. I’m about an hour into it.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 15, 2018 1:44:20 GMT
Speaking of famous movie I have/had yet to see, coldenhaulfield, I’m actually watching The Shining for the first time now. I’m about an hour into it. Wow! Let us know your thoughts when you're done, if you want.
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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 15, 2018 1:47:17 GMT
Speaking of famous movie I have/had yet to see, coldenhaulfield , I’m actually watching The Shining for the first time now. I’m about an hour into it. Wow! Let us know your thoughts when you’re done, if you want. I’m terrible about seeing post-1960 classics, I know. I did get to see Casablanca, Citizen Kane, and The Godfather as a kid, luckily. It’s pretty much what I expected after hearing about it for so long. Admittedly, I haven’t really been scared so far, but I like the atmosphere. I’m not a Kubrick fan, though.
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