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Post by mattgarth on Nov 16, 2018 19:04:34 GMT
From the pool of actors of the time .. who would have been better cast as Ashley Wilkes ? Remembering that it has to be someone it seems un-thinkable for Scarlett to prefer over Rhett Butler.
Personally, I cannot think of anyone better suited for the role than Leslie Howard. Well, I'm wondering if a 1939 Randolph Scott (a real-life Southern gentleman as well) might have been cast successfully. Leslie (as he portrayed 'Ashley') was really a bit of a 'milksop' -- Randy would have been a bit more rugged.
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Post by snsurone on Nov 16, 2018 19:13:26 GMT
From the pool of actors of the time .. who would have been better cast as Ashley Wilkes ? Remembering that it has to be someone it seems un-thinkable for Scarlett to prefer over Rhett Butler.
Personally, I cannot think of anyone better suited for the role than Leslie Howard. Well, I'm wondering if a 1939 Randolph Scott (a real-life Southern gentleman as well) might have been cast successfully. Leslie (as he portrayed 'Ashley') was really a bit of a 'milksop' -- Randy would have been a bit more rugged. Well, Ashley Wilkes was a milksop, as even Scarlett found out at the end. My complaint about Leslie Howard is that he was too old and he din not photograph well in color. Randy Scott would have probably been better, but my pick for Ashley was always been Gene Raymond.
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Post by petrolino on Nov 16, 2018 20:47:15 GMT
Robert Redford in Tell Them Willie Boy Is Here. The situations and dialogue suggest a brutal lawman but Redford comes across as his affable self. Keith Carradine and Harvey Keitel in The Duelists. Neither is capable of playing a European officer in the Napoleonic period.
Some film critics felt Jack Nicholson was miscast as a young officer serving in Napoleon's army in the gothic horror 'The Terror' (1963) which was directed by Roger Corman, Francis Coppola, Monte Hellman, Jack Hill, Dennis Jakob and Jack Nicholson.
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Post by telegonus on Nov 17, 2018 4:44:46 GMT
Not trying to be snarky or a grammar nazi or anything, buuuuut - is "miscasted" a word? I would have said "I've been miscast." It doesn't bother me. Yeah, I know, Mike: "Miscasted" used to pop up on the IMDB a lot. Not on the classics board, but elsewhere else. I guess I've grown accustomed to it.
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Post by telegonus on Nov 17, 2018 4:49:56 GMT
How often have we heard the silly objection that Peter O'Toole was all wrong for Lawrence of Arabia because O'Toole was well over six feet and TE Lawrence was quite diminutive?! So true about T.E. Robert Graves once wrote that Lawrence was so short he felt the need to stand on things (chairs and such) when at parties and the like. Alan Ladd wanted desperately to play Lawrence back in the Fifties but even then he was way too old to play such a young man. A younger Ladd might have worked in the role fifteen or twenty years earlier,--but as an Englishman? Not bloody likely!
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Post by telegonus on Nov 17, 2018 4:52:44 GMT
How's about America's Own Edward G. Robinson as the snarling ('nyah and all that) bad guy Dathan C.B.'s Ten Commandments. It's an enjoyable film, and Eddie's fun, but still...
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Post by Doghouse6 on Nov 17, 2018 15:32:53 GMT
How's about America's Own Edward G. Robinson as the snarling ('nyah and all that) bad guy Dathan C.B.'s Ten Commandments. It's an enjoyable film, and Eddie's fun, but still... Which reminds me... The Oklahoma Kid (1939) Bogie and Cagney transpose urban mob turf wars to the old west. But what the hey, in the days of the studio system, even the big-name contract players got pressed into genre-hopping to see what worked. Sometimes, it did (Errol Flynn in Dodge City, for instance). And a smaller hat for Cagney might have helped just a bit here. Speaking of genre-hopping, a related example of casting that could have gone wrong but, oddly, worked was Bogart's appearance as a pasty-faced quasi-vampire (executed for murder but brought back to life and requiring human blood for survival) in The Return Of Dr. X from the same year. If he seems out of place, it's only because of our familiarity with him in other milieux, but his studiously twitchy intensity serves the project well and, in an alternate, fickle-finger-of-fate career trajectory, he could have had success as a reliable fixture in similar B thrillers, along the lines of Lionel Atwill or George Zucco.
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Post by telegonus on Nov 18, 2018 8:01:12 GMT
How's about America's Own Edward G. Robinson as the snarling ('nyah and all that) bad guy Dathan C.B.'s Ten Commandments. It's an enjoyable film, and Eddie's fun, but still... Which reminds me... The Oklahoma Kid (1939) Bogie and Cagney transpose urban mob turf wars to the old west. But what the hey, in the days of the studio system, even the big-name contract players got pressed into genre-hopping to see what worked. Sometimes, it did (Errol Flynn in Dodge City, for instance). And a smaller hat for Cagney might have helped just a bit here. Speaking of genre-hopping, a related example of casting that could have gone wrong but, oddly, worked was Bogart's appearance as a pasty-faced quasi-vampire (executed for murder but brought back to life and requiring human blood for survival) in The Return Of Dr. X from the same year. If he seems out of place, it's only because of our familiarity with him in other milieux, but his studiously twitchy intensity serves the project well and, in an alternate, fickle-finger-of-fate career trajectory, he could have had success as a reliable fixture in similar B thrillers, along the lines of Lionel Atwill or George Zucco. The aforementioned reminds me that 1939 was sort of a banner pre-major stardom year for Mr. B in offbeat parts, such as his Irishman (horse trainer?,--I forget) in Dark Victory. Then, the next year, he was a Mexican bandido in Virginia City! Not tp worry: early the next year came High Sierra], and the Great Man was on his way to screen immortality.
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Nov 18, 2018 14:14:02 GMT
One could say Orson Welles as Othello but with his acting ability, facial features and the use of black and white film, I think he's passable.
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Post by claudius on Nov 18, 2018 15:32:17 GMT
I'd have to say just about everyone in Scorsese's The Last Temptation of Christ, but especially Willem Dafoe and Harvey Keitel (a blue eyed Jesus and a Judas with a Brooklyn accent - honestly?). Jeffrey Hunter, Max Von Sydow, and Robert Powell were blue-eyed too. Unless you feel LAST was more realistic and felt Dafoe was wrong.
Oh Tony Curtis 'Muh Fadda daught me the classics/Lawn Lawn Ago' Antoninus from SPARTACUS.
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Post by Aj_June on Nov 18, 2018 15:47:58 GMT
Not trying to be snarky or a grammar nazi or anything, buuuuut - is "miscasted" a word? I would have said "I've been miscast." Miscasted is still not accepted but "forecasted" is now accepted to the point that its use is not deemed wrong. The finance community frequently uses "forecasted". It is even more prevalent in the scientific community than in the finance community. I personally believe that given the affinity of subcontinent people with using "ing" and "ed" forms words like miscasted will become accepted in the future.
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Post by bess1971s on Nov 18, 2018 18:27:09 GMT
Well, I'm wondering if a 1939 Randolph Scott (a real-life Southern gentleman as well) might have been cast successfully. Leslie (as he portrayed 'Ashley') was really a bit of a 'milksop' -- Randy would have been a bit more rugged. Well, Ashley Wilkes was a milksop, as even Scarlett found out at the end. My complaint about Leslie Howard is that he was too old and he din not photograph well in color. Randy Scott would have probably been better, but my pick for Ashley was always been Gene Raymond. GWTW is not one of my favorites but I have to say, it is one of the best cast movies I've ever seen. Every actor in it was perfectly cast, including Leslie Howard, although I can also see Gene Raymond playing the role. Yes, Ashley was a bit of milksop, but there was a quiet strength in the character was not too obvious next to Mr. Macho, Clark Gable. I'll watch Leslie Howard in Pygmalion over and over. Every word from his mouth was so biting and succinct that he could slay without ever lifting a finger.
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