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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Nov 15, 2018 9:17:54 GMT
I'm not a fan of Man of Steel or Batman v Superman, but I feel like I understood what he was going for. Something like Ben-Hur or Greek mythology, I just don't think it was executed well.
But I can't help but feel like he could have made a great Shazam movie. What he was trying to do with MOS might have been better suited for Captain Marvel. I think Shazam! looks fun and I'll probably enjoy it, and I'm a fan of Zachary Levi, but I was always hoping for something more "epic" for the character. The movie looks awesome but it doesn't look like this:
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Post by primeone on Nov 15, 2018 10:38:51 GMT
I think he’s better suited for Black Adam.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 15, 2018 11:37:27 GMT
I am not sure if Zack Snyder would agree with light tone comedies. He is the man for mythological drama and dark graphic novels.
Also, I like the comedy direction they take with Shazam: the concept is so basic and silly (kid changing into superhero) that you got to go down the comedy, coming-of-age and moral tale approach. Hopefully the script keeps up substance-wise and it's not just jokes and action.
Let's keep the DC films diverse, we got the mythological Snyder trilogy (with a stain of Josh), let's get some unique Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Shazam movies in the mix too.
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Post by politicidal on Nov 15, 2018 16:17:56 GMT
I really liked MoS but do wonder how he'd be suited for Batman or Wonder Woman (since those two were the best parts of BVS for me). He actually did do one children's movie called Legend of the Guardians: the Owls of Ga'Hoole (2010). Remember this?
Its story and characterization is formulaic 'hero's journey' stuff. But the animation was gorgeous; some of the best I ever saw. And even though it's about f*cking owls, the tone was dark (but not too dark) and it took itself very seriously. So perhaps he'd have done something interesting.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 15, 2018 16:21:05 GMT
I really liked MoS but do wonder how he'd be suited for Batman or Wonder Woman (since those two were the best parts of BVS for me). He actually did do one children's movie called Legend of the Guardians: the Owls of Ga'Hoole (2010). Remember this?
Its story and characterization is formulaic 'hero's journey' stuff. But the animation was gorgeous; some of the best I ever saw. And even though it's about f*cking owls, the tone was dark (but not too dark) and it took itself very seriously. So perhaps he'd have done something interesting.
Oh yeah he did do that film. That was the same year as Sucker Punch as well.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 15, 2018 16:27:10 GMT
If Zack were to return to do another comic book movie, my picks are:
DC: Black Adam and Green Arrow
Marvel: Ghost Rider and The Punisher
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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 15, 2018 17:32:50 GMT
I am not sure if Zack Snyder would agree with light tone comedies. He is the man for mythological drama and dark graphic novels. Also, I like the comedy direction they take with Shazam: the concept is so basic and silly (kid changing into superhero) that you got to go down the comedy, coming-of-age and moral tale approach. Hopefully the script keeps up substance-wise and it's not just jokes and action. Let's keep the DC films diverse, we got the mythological Snyder trilogy (with a stain of Josh), let's get some unique Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Shazam movies in the mix too. I don't think I like that way of thinking about it. That gets the X-men movies in trouble (they go the opposite way of taking the "silly" stuff out). After the initial reaction of it (kid becoming an adult superhero) if you believe in it and treat it as normal and pretty straight forward, then the audience is there with you. If you treat it as silly, the character will be Super Friends Aquaman until it is fixed.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Nov 16, 2018 7:02:32 GMT
I am not sure if Zack Snyder would agree with light tone comedies. He is the man for mythological drama and dark graphic novels. Also, I like the comedy direction they take with Shazam: the concept is so basic and silly (kid changing into superhero) that you got to go down the comedy, coming-of-age and moral tale approach. Hopefully the script keeps up substance-wise and it's not just jokes and action. Let's keep the DC films diverse, we got the mythological Snyder trilogy (with a stain of Josh), let's get some unique Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Shazam movies in the mix too. Oh no I didn't mean that Snyder should've done a lighter tone style Shazam, I meant I feel I would've enjoyed Captain Marvel with Snyder's style more than I enjoyed MOS and BVS. I agree that the DC films should be diverse. I guess I was thinking in an alternate type reality where Snyder did Shazam! instead of his other DC films.
I think Shazam looks great, but I can't help but imagine a more of an "Alex Ross" inspired film, and would've also loved to have seen MOS with more of a WW tone.
A bit off-topic, but even though I didn't like how his films were executed, I would've preferred to see his unaltered vision for Justice League. Because despite my feelings for the films, I enjoyed their cohesive vibe. They felt like one big epic that could've been much better if JL had stayed the course.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Nov 16, 2018 7:11:28 GMT
If Zack were to return to do another comic book movie, my picks are: DC: Black Adam and Green Arrow Marvel: Ghost Rider and The Punisher
I was always hoping for a Green Arrow SuperMax movie directed by Pete Travis (Dredd) or Gareth Evans (The Raid).
As for Snyder...
DC: Black Adam is a great choice, and Lobo
Marvel: Nightcrawler, Moon Knight, and a proper Inhumans maybe?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 7:59:05 GMT
Shazam is an even bigger goody two-shoes Boy Scout than Superman. So no, Snyder would have wrecked him even worse.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Nov 16, 2018 12:50:55 GMT
No Shazam needs a family friendly childlike touch, Synder is pure angry teenager.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Nov 16, 2018 15:45:32 GMT
I think he's better suited to be a bus boy at Pizza Hut.
Edit: Just Kidding!
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Post by politicidal on Nov 16, 2018 16:58:16 GMT
If Zack were to return to do another comic book movie, my picks are: DC: Black Adam and Green Arrow Marvel: Ghost Rider and The Punisher
I was always hoping for a Green Arrow SuperMax movie directed by Pete Travis (Dredd) or Gareth Evans (The Raid).
As for Snyder...
DC: Black Adam is a great choice, and Lobo
Marvel: Nightcrawler, Moon Knight, and a proper Inhumans maybe?
Lobo or Moon Knight would be cool.
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Post by havenless on Nov 22, 2018 9:21:58 GMT
Shazam is an even bigger goody two-shoes Boy Scout than Superman. So no, Snyder would have wrecked him even worse. Truth, Justice, and the Americans that got in the way.
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Post by politicidal on Nov 22, 2018 17:17:38 GMT
No Shazam needs a family friendly childlike touch, Synder is pure angry teenager. Nonsense. Ever saw Legend of The Guardians? It was dark but like “80s fantasy movie” dark with comic relief sidekicks and cute cartoon animals.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 23, 2018 15:11:22 GMT
I am not sure if Zack Snyder would agree with light tone comedies. He is the man for mythological drama and dark graphic novels. Also, I like the comedy direction they take with Shazam: the concept is so basic and silly (kid changing into superhero) that you got to go down the comedy, coming-of-age and moral tale approach. Hopefully the script keeps up substance-wise and it's not just jokes and action. Let's keep the DC films diverse, we got the mythological Snyder trilogy (with a stain of Josh), let's get some unique Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Shazam movies in the mix too. I don't think I like that way of thinking about it. That gets the X-men movies in trouble (they go the opposite way of taking the "silly" stuff out). After the initial reaction of it (kid becoming an adult superhero) if you believe in it and treat it as normal and pretty straight forward, then the audience is there with you. If you treat it as silly, the character will be Super Friends Aquaman until it is fixed.That's unfortunately where I think this movie will fall.
There's one thing everyone including it seems, the filmmakers themselves, have forgotten... One of his powers is "the WISDOM of Solomon". In other words, even though he's a kid when turns into Shazam he should be really smart and mature. It's not JUST a physical change, its a total makeover that encompasses his mind as well. At least it SHOULD be.
That's the one thing I didn't like about what Geoff Johns did with him in the latest comic version of him. He just made him a little kid in an adult body. This isn't supposed to be Tom Hanks in Big. He's supposed to be a Superman level hero! How's he supposed to do that if he's goofing around at the local 7-11?
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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 23, 2018 16:21:57 GMT
I don't think I like that way of thinking about it. That gets the X-men movies in trouble (they go the opposite way of taking the "silly" stuff out). After the initial reaction of it (kid becoming an adult superhero) if you believe in it and treat it as normal and pretty straight forward, then the audience is there with you. If you treat it as silly, the character will be Super Friends Aquaman until it is fixed.That's unfortunately where I think this movie will fall.
There's one thing everyone including it seems, the filmmakers themselves, have forgotten... One of his powers is "the WISDOM of Solomon". In other words, even though he's a kid when turns into Shazam he should be really smart and mature. It's not JUST a physical change, its a total makeover that encompasses his mind as well. At least it SHOULD be.
That's the one thing I didn't like about what Geoff Johns did with him in the latest comic version of him. He just made him a little kid in an adult body. This isn't supposed to be Tom Hanks in Big. He's supposed to be a Superman level hero! How's he supposed to do that if he's goofing around at the local 7-11?
Agreed except for one thing. You can give him wisdom as well as make him like a kid in an adult's body. Being smart doesn't make you mature. I think the appeal is that he's this superhero. You take that away then it's him turning into another person entirely. I think where they'll most likely cross the line is making SHAZAM too much of a goof. Make him more kid than Billy Batson.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 23, 2018 16:40:31 GMT
That's unfortunately where I think this movie will fall.
There's one thing everyone including it seems, the filmmakers themselves, have forgotten... One of his powers is "the WISDOM of Solomon". In other words, even though he's a kid when turns into Shazam he should be really smart and mature. It's not JUST a physical change, its a total makeover that encompasses his mind as well. At least it SHOULD be.
That's the one thing I didn't like about what Geoff Johns did with him in the latest comic version of him. He just made him a little kid in an adult body. This isn't supposed to be Tom Hanks in Big. He's supposed to be a Superman level hero! How's he supposed to do that if he's goofing around at the local 7-11?
Agreed except for one thing. You can give him wisdom as well as make him like a kid in an adult's body. Being smart doesn't make you mature. I think the appeal is that he's this superhero. You take that away then it's him turning into another person entirely. I think where they'll most likely cross the line is making SHAZAM too much of a goof. Make him more kid than Billy Batson. That's my fear. I was wondering why they cast Zachary Levi (he doesn't give off super hero lead vibes IMO). After seeing the trailer I understand why. Its gonna be a goofy movie.
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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 23, 2018 16:48:35 GMT
Agreed except for one thing. You can give him wisdom as well as make him like a kid in an adult's body. Being smart doesn't make you mature. I think the appeal is that he's this superhero. You take that away then it's him turning into another person entirely. I think where they'll most likely cross the line is making SHAZAM too much of a goof. Make him more kid than Billy Batson. That's my fear. I was wondering why they cast Zachary Levi (he doesn't give off super hero lead vibes IMO). After seeing the trailer I understand why. Its gonna be a goofy movie. It's overcompensation acting. To show that the adult is acting like a kid in an adult's body, they'll act too much like a kid. Even more than the kid actor. You brought up Big before. I don't think Hanks went too far into the goofy side that Levi is doing. He said and did stuff that a kid would have, but I don't think he went over the top.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 23, 2018 16:58:40 GMT
That's my fear. I was wondering why they cast Zachary Levi (he doesn't give off super hero lead vibes IMO). After seeing the trailer I understand why. Its gonna be a goofy movie. It's overcompensation acting. To show that the adult is acting like a kid in an adult's body, they'll act too much like a kid. Even more than the kid actor. You brought up Big before. I don't think Hanks went too far into the goofy side that Levi is doing. He said and did stuff that a kid would have, but I don't think he went over the top. We'll see. I have hopes for the movie.
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