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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 18, 2018 0:45:41 GMT
I addressed it a few posts later: basically, you were still out of line and your response was way out of scope and scale with his tacky Stan comments, which I've never supported -- just his right to express them within the confines of the TOS and, now, the rules. Oh, please, you couldn't be more pleased with what DC-Fan's done if you tried. He didn't express anything. He mocked a harmless old man and World War II Veteran for literally no reason, and you know it. Stop playing contrarian just because you get your jollies from it. Nah, I'm just able to compose myself even the slightest bit and get a grip, mang. What he said was gross and shitty, which is why I ignored it entirely and focused on posting positive stuff about Stan here and elsewhere, because that's what was in my control. And since then the only defending I've done is explaining the basic tenets of free speech to you, KBB, et. al. Real-life example: ever heard of the ACLU? They defend Nazis sometimes; do you think that makes them Nazis? Do you think someone should threaten or shut down the ACLU because they freely have associated with Nazis, maybe rhe one group that (up until two years ago) we could all agree were total assholes? That's the vantage point from which I'm viewing this -- like an attorney defending the Westboro Baptist Church. Innit? ETA: @homergreg, weigh in here too if you'd like.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 18, 2018 0:46:45 GMT
This violates the new rules, kiddo. Thank you for proving that your own outrage is actually what's fake around here. Okay?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 0:48:32 GMT
And his reason to not respect Stan Lee wasn't because he really disrespects Stan Lee, it was because he knew it would provoke you and others into an emotional response. The troll wanted fed, and he was fed. The mods are trying something here to break that cycle. But in the meantime, the emotional response is what is desired from the troll. Is that the satisfaction you wish to provide? If the Admin isn't going to do anything about DC-Fan, I'm going to make noise until he either finally does or shows his true colors by banning me. We all choose our reactions. It seems the troll is left looking for boundaries right now and something is being done.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 0:49:14 GMT
Oh, please, you couldn't be more pleased with what DC-Fan's done if you tried. He didn't express anything. He mocked a harmless old man and World War II Veteran for literally no reason, and you know it. Stop playing contrarian just because you get your jollies from it. Nah, I'm just able to compose myself even the slightest bit and get a grip, mang. What he said was gross and shitty, which is why I ignored it entirely and focused on posting positive stuff about Stan here and elsewhere, because that's what was in my control. And since the only defending I've done is explaining the basic tenets of free speech to you KBB, et. al. Real-life example: ever heard of the ACLU? They defend Nazis sometimes; do you think that makes them Nazis? Do you think someone should threaten or shut down the ACLU because they freely have associated with Nazis, maybe rhe one group that (up until two years ago) we could all agree were total assholes? That's the vantage point from which I'm viewing this -- like an attorney defending the Westboro Baptist Church. Innit? Thank you for continuing to show you have no standards.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 0:49:40 GMT
If the Admin isn't going to do anything about DC-Fan, I'm going to make noise until he either finally does or shows his true colors by banning me. We all choose our reactions. It seems the troll is left looking for boundaries right now and something is being done. We both know it won't last more than two weeks.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Nov 18, 2018 0:53:33 GMT
And this is why I never had a drop of sympathy for that time Daisy and Sam doxxed him. I knew he deserved it. The very idea that you think Sam's actions were warranted (or even just okay) just because he posted stuff you disagree with about some comic book movies is the issue at hand. Grow up. I really don’t think people’s main issue with DC-Fan is the fact that he has opinions about comic book movies they disagree with, I think it’s mainly his appalling behavior.
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Post by Admin on Nov 18, 2018 0:54:40 GMT
And his reason to not respect Stan Lee wasn't because he really disrespects Stan Lee, it was because he knew it would provoke you and others into an emotional response. The troll wanted fed, and he was fed. The mods are trying something here to break that cycle. But in the meantime, the emotional response is what is desired from the troll. Is that the satisfaction you wish to provide? If the Admin isn't going to do anything about DC-Fan, I'm going to make noise until he either finally does or shows his true colors by banning me. So you're going to strong-arm me? Haha. That's cute, but we don't have to go through all that...
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 18, 2018 0:55:09 GMT
This isn't about liking or disliking Stan Lee. Lee was a harmless old man who never hurt anybody. He was an alright guy, he lived, and he died. Literally the only thing we're asking for it some respect for the dead. A World War II Veteran, no less. Also, the outrage isn't fake. You can fuck right off with that. And his reason to not respect Stan Lee wasn't because he really disrespects Stan Lee, it was because he knew it would provoke you and others into an emotional response. The troll wanted fed, and he was fed. The mods are trying something here to break that cycle. But in the meantime, the emotional response is what is desired from the troll. Is that the satisfaction you wish to provide? Let me challenge this head on, but with the utmost respect: doesn't the solution come the day a handful of people uniformly agree in lockstep to just ignore the guy? Why is the solution that he needs to be somehow silenced, banned, etc.? First of all, he has been warned; secondly, the rules seem directed at his exact MO in large part. Why is the counter argument, "Yeah, but I'll still see what he says so that doesn't work"? WHY NOT? Just. ig. nore. him. I see shit all day long that annoys me, especially during political season. Is it valid or moral or reasonable for me to say, "You know, I could ignore that sign for Trump/Hillary on my neighbor's lawn, but it would still be there. Ergo, I should go take the sign and people shouldn't be allowed to put up political lawn signs." I'm not down with that. Or the slippery slope (as, I think it was onethreetwo, astutely pointed out) we're on. Your thoughts? ETA: obligatory innit?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 0:55:50 GMT
Oh, please, you couldn't be more pleased with what DC-Fan's done if you tried. He didn't express anything. He mocked a harmless old man and World War II Veteran for literally no reason, and you know it. Stop playing contrarian just because you get your jollies from it. Nah, I'm just able to compose myself even the slightest bit and get a grip, mang. What he said was gross and shitty, which is why I ignored it entirely and focused on posting positive stuff about Stan here and elsewhere, because that's what was in my control. And since then the only defending I've done is explaining the basic tenets of free speech to you, KBB, et. al. Real-life example: ever heard of the ACLU? They defend Nazis sometimes; do you think that makes them Nazis? Do you think someone should threaten or shut down the ACLU because they freely have associated with Nazis, maybe rhe one group that (up until two years ago) we could all agree were total assholes? That's the vantage point from which I'm viewing this -- like an attorney defending the Westboro Baptist Church. Innit? ETA: @homergreg , weigh in here too if you'd like. Looks like you are showing a way of handling the troll, ignoring him and throwing in an innit in there. I think your way of handling it works. Raptor isn't the type to accept that way of handling it. Neither is the troll, at least where certain posters are concerned lol. Probably why the mods stepped in here.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 0:56:41 GMT
If the Admin isn't going to do anything about DC-Fan, I'm going to make noise until he either finally does or shows his true colors by banning me. So you're going to strong-arm me? Haha. That's cute, but we don't have to go through all that... Not remotely what I meant.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 0:57:15 GMT
The very idea that you think Sam's actions were warranted (or even just okay) just because he posted stuff you disagree with about some comic book movies is the issue at hand. Grow up. I really don’t think people’s main issue with DC-Fan is the fact that he has opinions about comic book movies they disagree with, I think it’s mainly his appalling behavior. Colden doesn't like facts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 0:58:40 GMT
And his reason to not respect Stan Lee wasn't because he really disrespects Stan Lee, it was because he knew it would provoke you and others into an emotional response. The troll wanted fed, and he was fed. The mods are trying something here to break that cycle. But in the meantime, the emotional response is what is desired from the troll. Is that the satisfaction you wish to provide? Let me challenge this head on, but with the utmost respect: doesn't the solution come the day a handful of people uniformly agree in lockstep to just ignore the guy? Why is the solution that he needs to be somehow silenced, banned, etc.? First of all, he has been warned; secondly, the rules seem directed at his exact MO in large part. Why is the counter argument, "Yeah, but I'll still see what he says so that doesn't work"? WHY NOT? Just. ig. nore. him. I see shit all day long that annoys me, especially during political season. Is it valid or moral or reasonable for me to say, "You know, I could ignore that sign for Trump/Hillary on my neighbor's lawn, but it would still be there. Ergo, I should go take the sign and people shouldn't be allowed to put up political lawn signs." I'm not down with that. Or the slippery slope (as, I think it was onethreetwo , astutely pointed out) we're on. Your thoughts? ETA: obligatory innit? You seem to not understand that this isn't even remotely like seeing someone else's political signs. This is about having to share a space with a thoroughly unpleasant person who. Just. Won't. Stop.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 18, 2018 0:58:49 GMT
The very idea that you think Sam's actions were warranted (or even just okay) just because he posted stuff you disagree with about some comic book movies is the issue at hand. Grow up. I really don’t think people’s main issue with DC-Fan is the fact that he has opinions about comic book movies they disagree with, I think it’s mainly his appalling behavior. Except that the behavior you find appalling IS him disagreeing with you about comic book movies or the performers and creative people associated with them. So...
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 18, 2018 1:00:14 GMT
Let me challenge this head on, but with the utmost respect: doesn't the solution come the day a handful of people uniformly agree in lockstep to just ignore the guy? Why is the solution that he needs to be somehow silenced, banned, etc.? First of all, he has been warned; secondly, the rules seem directed at his exact MO in large part. Why is the counter argument, "Yeah, but I'll still see what he says so that doesn't work"? WHY NOT? Just. ig. nore. him. I see shit all day long that annoys me, especially during political season. Is it valid or moral or reasonable for me to say, "You know, I could ignore that sign for Trump/Hillary on my neighbor's lawn, but it would still be there. Ergo, I should go take the sign and people shouldn't be allowed to put up political lawn signs." I'm not down with that. Or the slippery slope (as, I think it was onethreetwo , astutely pointed out) we're on. Your thoughts? ETA: obligatory innit? You seem to not understand that this isn't even remotely like seeing someone else's political signs. This is about having to share a space with a thoroughly unpleasant person who. Just. Won't. Stop. But you're part of that cycle, by validating his importance like this. So am I, technically, by also diverting my limited and very important concentration away from the Clemson/Duke game.
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Post by Admin on Nov 18, 2018 1:01:48 GMT
So you're going to strong-arm me? Haha. That's cute, but we don't have to go through all that... Not remotely what I meant. Is what you said not what you meant? Ultimatums are not persuasive, and as such, have no bearing on administrative decisions. If anything is to be, or not to be, done about DC-Fan, it won't be because of your noise...or the resulting lack thereof if my hand is forced true colors are shown.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 18, 2018 1:02:13 GMT
Nah, I'm just able to compose myself even the slightest bit and get a grip, mang. What he said was gross and shitty, which is why I ignored it entirely and focused on posting positive stuff about Stan here and elsewhere, because that's what was in my control. And since the only defending I've done is explaining the basic tenets of free speech to you KBB, et. al. Real-life example: ever heard of the ACLU? They defend Nazis sometimes; do you think that makes them Nazis? Do you think someone should threaten or shut down the ACLU because they freely have associated with Nazis, maybe rhe one group that (up until two years ago) we could all agree were total assholes? That's the vantage point from which I'm viewing this -- like an attorney defending the Westboro Baptist Church. Innit? Thank you for continuing to show you have no standards. Okay, first of all: the tone of this post is also against the rules, which are mainly about just being baseline civil. Second of all, my example proved the exact opposite, dude: that the same rules should apply to all people even if you (and I, and most people) dislike them or their worldview. That's the definition of having standards.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 18, 2018 1:04:02 GMT
Nah, I'm just able to compose myself even the slightest bit and get a grip, mang. What he said was gross and shitty, which is why I ignored it entirely and focused on posting positive stuff about Stan here and elsewhere, because that's what was in my control. And since then the only defending I've done is explaining the basic tenets of free speech to you, KBB, et. al. Real-life example: ever heard of the ACLU? They defend Nazis sometimes; do you think that makes them Nazis? Do you think someone should threaten or shut down the ACLU because they freely have associated with Nazis, maybe rhe one group that (up until two years ago) we could all agree were total assholes? That's the vantage point from which I'm viewing this -- like an attorney defending the Westboro Baptist Church. Innit? ETA: @homergreg , weigh in here too if you'd like. Looks like you are showing a way of handling the troll, ignoring him and throwing in an innit in there. I think your way of handling it works. Raptor isn't the type to accept that way of handling it. Neither is the troll, at least where certain posters are concerned lol. Probably why the mods stepped in here. So basically you think I'm an appeaser:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 1:04:08 GMT
Not remotely what I meant. Is what you said not what you meant? Ultimatums are not persuasive, and as such, have no bearing on administrative decisions. If anything is to be, or not to be, done about DC-Fan, it won't be because of your noise...or the resulting lack thereof if my hand is forced true colors are shown. It's harder to ignore a problem when someone's telling you there's a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 1:04:49 GMT
And his reason to not respect Stan Lee wasn't because he really disrespects Stan Lee, it was because he knew it would provoke you and others into an emotional response. The troll wanted fed, and he was fed. The mods are trying something here to break that cycle. But in the meantime, the emotional response is what is desired from the troll. Is that the satisfaction you wish to provide? Let me challenge this head on, but with the utmost respect: doesn't the solution come the day a handful of people uniformly agree in lockstep to just ignore the guy? Why is the solution that he needs to be somehow silenced, banned, etc.? First of all, he has been warned; secondly, the rules seem directed at his exact MO in large part. Why is the counter argument, "Yeah, but I'll still see what he says so that doesn't work"? WHY NOT? Just. ig. nore. him. I see shit all day long that annoys me, especially during political season. Is it valid or moral or reasonable for me to say, "You know, I could ignore that sign for Trump/Hillary on my neighbor's lawn, but it would still be there. Ergo, I should go take the sign and people shouldn't be allowed to put up political lawn signs." I'm not down with that. Or the slippery slope (as, I think it was onethreetwo , astutely pointed out) we're on. Your thoughts? ETA: obligatory innit? I don't disagree at all. Trolls die when not fed. Or when they are fed what they don't like to eat (my personal favorite) I don't think anyone needs to be some how silenced or banned. Apparently it was getting out of hand here for some time and mods are taking action.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 1:05:04 GMT
You seem to not understand that this isn't even remotely like seeing someone else's political signs. This is about having to share a space with a thoroughly unpleasant person who. Just. Won't. Stop. But you're part of that cycle, by validating his importance like this. So am I, technically, by also diverting my limited and very important concentration away from the Clemson/Duke game. There would be no cycle if was DC-Fan wasn't here.
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