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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 23:28:50 GMT
I just think people get stuck in the mode of being film critics and forget that they were once fans. Holding on to the identity they feel they would lose if they sought to make sense of things vs seeking to make nonsense. I leave the majority of my thoughts of the Force at a better place now. Innit? I tried a little bit ago, and it hasn't changed here. You embraced the wonderous? I accept and try to understand the new stuff, acknowledging there is basis for many of the issues that are pointed out over and over. The stories do have flaws. I still find an interesting story that I would love to explore. The "what's next" of the saga that is yet to come. That's lost to a group who found enjoyment fighting about whether or not something fit some trope, and focusing on flaws that have been identified a million times over. |
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Post by Power Ranger on Nov 17, 2018 23:29:57 GMT
You embraced the wonderous? I accept and try to understand the new stuff, acknowledging there is basis for many of the issues that are pointed out over and over. The stories do have flaws. I still find an interesting story that I would love to explore. The "what's next" of the saga that is yet to come. That's lost to a group who found enjoyment fighting about whether or not something fit some trope, and focusing on flaws that have been identified a million times over. When you have to try hard to like something, it usually isn’t very good. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 23:40:29 GMT
I accept and try to understand the new stuff, acknowledging there is basis for many of the issues that are pointed out over and over. The stories do have flaws. I still find an interesting story that I would love to explore. The "what's next" of the saga that is yet to come. That's lost to a group who found enjoyment fighting about whether or not something fit some trope, and focusing on flaws that have been identified a million times over. When you have to try hard to like something, it usually isn’t very good. I have had no issue liking it other than taking Luke way too far down. There are plenty of other flaws, sure thing. But other than what they did to Luke during the first section of TLJ, none of the flaws kept me from absolutely enjoying it. Sorry others didn't, that's their perogative. It's my perogative not to hang around while they go over the same gripes over and over as well. |
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Post by Power Ranger on Nov 17, 2018 23:46:28 GMT
When you have to try hard to like something, it usually isn’t very good. I have had no issue liking it other than taking Luke way too far down. There are plenty of other flaws, sure thing. But other than what they did to Luke during the first section of TLJ, none of the flaws kept me from absolutely enjoying it. Sorry others didn't, that's their perogative. It's my perogative not to hang around while they go over the same gripes over and over as well. TLJ could have been 90 mins of Rian Johnson on the can, and I wouldn’t find a way to like that. IMO TLJ is as bad as that. It’s like the writer didn’t proof read his work. Every scene contradicted the other. It was terrible. Why should I care when the writer doesn’t? |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 17, 2018 23:58:05 GMT
(Also, I don't see any dates. Maybe it's because I'm on my phone. But you avoided answering my question, so I'm assuming most -- if not all -- of them were said outside the "jurisdiction" of these rules.) The dates are there, in my post and in your reply. The search feature did not reveal the “jurisdiction” ... which is immaterial to the point I was making by posting them - which was to establish a pattern of petty contempt for Stan Lee prior to this recent dust-up. This was not a case of “mixed feelings”. It was a continuation of his anti Stan Lee crusade. And he’s still at it! He’s just being a tad less flagrant about it today. Like I said, they're not there on my phone. As for the rest of your post: who gives a shit if the guy didn't and doesn't like Stan Lee? Can you guys just drop the fake outrage already? I respected Lee's work and always loved seeing him in cameos, but I'm not going to go riot in the street because one guy posted some (frankly harmless, if) tasteless shit -- most of which, based on your squirrelly and surly attempts to repeatedly avoid answering my simple question, happened before the rules were instituted. The point of the rules was to inculcate a little more civility; we don't all have to hold hands and agree on literally everything, and this desperate attempt to turn this place into some North Korean MCU fansite is a dramatic overreach you and your ilk ought to pull back from while you still can. ETA: innit? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 0:00:55 GMT
I have had no issue liking it other than taking Luke way too far down. There are plenty of other flaws, sure thing. But other than what they did to Luke during the first section of TLJ, none of the flaws kept me from absolutely enjoying it. Sorry others didn't, that's their perogative. It's my perogative not to hang around while they go over the same gripes over and over as well. TLJ could have been 90 mins of Rian Johnson on the can, and I wouldn’t find a way to like that. IMO TLJ is as bad as that. It’s like the writer didn’t proof read his work. Every scene contradicted the other. It was terrible. Why should I care when the writer doesn’t? You don't have to. Watch what you want to. I didn't find the scenes contradictory to any extent that I had issue with it, sorry you did. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 0:28:46 GMT
God damnit. I feel like you and are are going to clash alot. I don't hate Stan Lee. Yes, you do. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 0:30:51 GMT
Not at all. I'm just trying to get a clarification because I often get attacked for simply stating facts. For example, many people here attacked me for saying that Stan Lee created Stripperella. But I was just stating a fact. And despite what many people think, I don't hate Stan Lee. He created X-Men and Fantastic Four, 2 of my favorite superhero comics. But he also created crap like the Avengers and Stripperella. Here is a good opportunity for the mods to begin cleaning up this crap. Stan Lee dies and this guy floods multiple boards with Stripperella, not to “simply state a fact” but to belittle the deceased. Pretending otherwise, and trying to portray himself as the victim, is adding insult to injury. And of course, equating the Avengers with Stripperella is clearly an effort to provoke MCU fans. This is where the rubber meets the road. This guy already has a warning, yet he simply can not control himself. Will the mods finally act? ... or is this newest effort to instill some civility going to fail right out of the gate? And this is why I never had a drop of sympathy for that time Daisy and Sam doxxed him. I knew he deserved it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 0:32:09 GMT
Here is a good opportunity for the mods to begin cleaning up this crap. Stan Lee dies and this guy floods multiple boards with Stripperella, not to “simply state a fact” but to belittle the deceased. Pretending otherwise, and trying to portray himself as the victim, is adding insult to injury. And of course, equating the Avengers with Stripperella is clearly an effort to provoke MCU fans. This is where the rubber meets the road. This guy already has a warning, yet he simply can not control himself. Will the mods finally act? ... or is this newest effort to instill some civility going to fail right out of the gate? Uh, Raptor openly called for DCF to die not once but twice within hours of the new rules going into effect. That's way worse than DCF simply stating his opinion that, like many people feel about many artists or creative people, he has mixed feelings about the body of Stan's work. I'd be willing to bet that Stan Lee himself preferred some stuff he did to other stuff or maybe even some periods to others, just because that seems to be a common trait of people who spend a lifetime producing art/content/whatever. Innit? So I think the mods have it under control. Way to twist the facts about what DC-Fan did. No word of how he was actively mocking the dead? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 0:34:13 GMT
I don't think asking a question is the issue, it's the question itself. You basically want to say "MCU films are for children" which is completely false. No it’s not ‘completely false’. Action films in the 80s were made for adults, and would have adult content. MCU films do not, just look at the censorship ratings for example. I once heard film director Paul Schraeder lamenting that market research has determined that the mean demographics for cinema goers was a 14 year old male and big budget films were trying to satisfy that demographic. I like the MCU. But some of the films are more childish than others. Why disallow posters from expressing this?No, you don't. You've proven that at every turn. Because it's a blatant lie. They're for a wide audience. It's not "made for children" or "adults only." They're intended to appeal to a wide variety of people, of many ages, backgrounds, and beliefs. Not that I'd expect you to understand a difference as nuanced as that. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 18, 2018 0:35:01 GMT
Uh, Raptor openly called for DCF to die not once but twice within hours of the new rules going into effect. That's way worse than DCF simply stating his opinion that, like many people feel about many artists or creative people, he has mixed feelings about the body of Stan's work. I'd be willing to bet that Stan Lee himself preferred some stuff he did to other stuff or maybe even some periods to others, just because that seems to be a common trait of people who spend a lifetime producing art/content/whatever. Innit? So I think the mods have it under control. Way to twist the facts about what DC-Fan did. No word of how he was actively mocking the dead? I addressed it a few posts later: basically, you were still out of line and your response was way out of scope and scale with his tacky Stan comments, which I've never supported -- just his right to express them within the confines of the TOS and, now, the rules. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 0:36:10 GMT
The dates are there, in my post and in your reply. The search feature did not reveal the “jurisdiction” ... which is immaterial to the point I was making by posting them - which was to establish a pattern of petty contempt for Stan Lee prior to this recent dust-up. This was not a case of “mixed feelings”. It was a continuation of his anti Stan Lee crusade. And he’s still at it! He’s just being a tad less flagrant about it today. Like I said, they're not there on my phone. As for the rest of your post: who gives a shit if the guy didn't and doesn't like Stan Lee? Can you guys just drop the fake outrage already? I respected Lee's work and always loved seeing him in cameos, but I'm not going to go riot in the street because one guy posted some (frankly harmless, if) tasteless shit -- most of which, based on your squirrelly and surly attempts to repeatedly avoid answering my simple question, happened before the rules were instituted. The point of the rules was to inculcate a little more civility; we don't all have to hold hands and agree on literally everything, and this desperate attempt to turn this place into some North Korean MCU fansite is a dramatic overreach you and your ilk ought to pull back from while you still can. ETA: innit? This isn't about liking or disliking Stan Lee. Lee was a harmless old man who never hurt anybody. He was an alright guy, he lived, and he died. Literally the only thing we're asking for it some respect for the dead. A World War II Veteran, no less. Also, the outrage isn't fake. You can fuck right off with that. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 18, 2018 0:37:27 GMT
Here is a good opportunity for the mods to begin cleaning up this crap. Stan Lee dies and this guy floods multiple boards with Stripperella, not to “simply state a fact” but to belittle the deceased. Pretending otherwise, and trying to portray himself as the victim, is adding insult to injury. And of course, equating the Avengers with Stripperella is clearly an effort to provoke MCU fans. This is where the rubber meets the road. This guy already has a warning, yet he simply can not control himself. Will the mods finally act? ... or is this newest effort to instill some civility going to fail right out of the gate? And this is why I never had a drop of sympathy for that time Daisy and Sam doxxed him. I knew he deserved it. The very idea that you think Sam's actions were warranted (or even just okay) just because he posted stuff you disagree with about some comic book movies is the issue at hand. Grow up. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 0:37:39 GMT
Way to twist the facts about what DC-Fan did. No word of how he was actively mocking the dead? I addressed it a few posts later: basically, you were still out of line and your response was way out of scope and scale with his tacky Stan comments, which I've never supported -- just his right to express them within the confines of the TOS and, now, the rules. Oh, please, you couldn't be more pleased with what DC-Fan's done if you tried. He didn't express anything. He mocked a harmless old man and World War II Veteran for literally no reason, and you know it. Stop playing contrarian just because you get your jollies from it. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 18, 2018 0:38:20 GMT
Like I said, they're not there on my phone. As for the rest of your post: who gives a shit if the guy didn't and doesn't like Stan Lee? Can you guys just drop the fake outrage already? I respected Lee's work and always loved seeing him in cameos, but I'm not going to go riot in the street because one guy posted some (frankly harmless, if) tasteless shit -- most of which, based on your squirrelly and surly attempts to repeatedly avoid answering my simple question, happened before the rules were instituted. The point of the rules was to inculcate a little more civility; we don't all have to hold hands and agree on literally everything, and this desperate attempt to turn this place into some North Korean MCU fansite is a dramatic overreach you and your ilk ought to pull back from while you still can. ETA: innit? This isn't about liking or disliking Stan Lee. Lee was a harmless old man who never hurt anybody. He was an alright guy, he lived, and he died. Literally the only thing we're asking for it some respect for the dead. A World War II Veteran, no less. Also, the outrage isn't fake. You can fuck right off with that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 0:40:25 GMT
And this is why I never had a drop of sympathy for that time Daisy and Sam doxxed him. I knew he deserved it. The very idea that you think Sam's actions were warranted (or even just okay) just because he posted stuff you disagree with about some comic book movies is the issue at hand. Grow up. I lack any sympathy for what Daisy and Sam did to DC-Fan because DC-Fan had already mocked the dead, and their relatives, before. Remember that time he asked why do MCU fans hate U.S. soldiers? Then a number of us pointed out that we have relatives in the military, many of whom have given their lives in the name of duty, and he said we were disrespecting them? And now this Stan Lee business. Yeah, you have no room to tell me to do anything. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 0:41:17 GMT
This isn't about liking or disliking Stan Lee. Lee was a harmless old man who never hurt anybody. He was an alright guy, he lived, and he died. Literally the only thing we're asking for it some respect for the dead. A World War II Veteran, no less. Also, the outrage isn't fake. You can fuck right off with that.
This violates the new rules, kiddo.  Thank you for proving that your own outrage is actually what's fake around here. |
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Nov 18, 2018 0:41:49 GMT
It seems like the rules are basically just no more name calling and no more belittling an entire fandom and their films in some kind of attempt to have your chosen fandom declared the reigning champ of superior quality. I think that’s what pisses people off the most. Criticisms are one thing, but it’s clear that most the criticisms around here are designed to incite hatred and arguments, and clearly people want their opinions to be considered “facts”. Especially when those opinions are “The thing you like is garbage and you’re an ignorant human being with a low IQ for enjoying it. But that’s okay just admit it. People can like complete garbage.” It’s quite frustrating.
Personally, I’d like for people to just stop taking it out on all fans for something one or two trolls did. Saying that “MCU fans are..” or “DCEU fans do this..” are false statements simply for the fact that you can’t generalize such a large group of fans like that. Like if some dude stalked you then that dude is a crazy asshole. But it doesn’t mean every single thing he likes and every single person who likes that same thing can now be declared a crazy asshole.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 0:42:06 GMT
Like I said, they're not there on my phone. As for the rest of your post: who gives a shit if the guy didn't and doesn't like Stan Lee? Can you guys just drop the fake outrage already? I respected Lee's work and always loved seeing him in cameos, but I'm not going to go riot in the street because one guy posted some (frankly harmless, if) tasteless shit -- most of which, based on your squirrelly and surly attempts to repeatedly avoid answering my simple question, happened before the rules were instituted. The point of the rules was to inculcate a little more civility; we don't all have to hold hands and agree on literally everything, and this desperate attempt to turn this place into some North Korean MCU fansite is a dramatic overreach you and your ilk ought to pull back from while you still can. ETA: innit? This isn't about liking or disliking Stan Lee. Lee was a harmless old man who never hurt anybody. He was an alright guy, he lived, and he died. Literally the only thing we're asking for it some respect for the dead. A World War II Veteran, no less. Also, the outrage isn't fake. You can fuck right off with that. And his reason to not respect Stan Lee wasn't because he really disrespects Stan Lee, it was because he knew it would provoke you and others into an emotional response. The troll wanted fed, and he was fed. The mods are trying something here to break that cycle. But in the meantime, the emotional response is what is desired from the troll. Is that the satisfaction you wish to provide? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 0:45:35 GMT
This isn't about liking or disliking Stan Lee. Lee was a harmless old man who never hurt anybody. He was an alright guy, he lived, and he died. Literally the only thing we're asking for it some respect for the dead. A World War II Veteran, no less. Also, the outrage isn't fake. You can fuck right off with that. And his reason to not respect Stan Lee wasn't because he really disrespects Stan Lee, it was because he knew it would provoke you and others into an emotional response. The troll wanted fed, and he was fed. The mods are trying something here to break that cycle. But in the meantime, the emotional response is what is desired from the troll. Is that the satisfaction you wish to provide? If the Admin isn't going to do anything about DC-Fan, I'm going to make noise until he either finally does or shows his true colors by banning me. |
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Thank you for proving that your own outrage is actually what's fake around here.
