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Post by Skaathar on Nov 19, 2018 1:20:19 GMT
Yes, I know you're capable of googling stuff, unfortunately it just proves that you don't know what genocide means. My question still stands: why are you lying about Wanda being genocidal? Ross likened Hulk and Thor to thirty megaton nukes. Releasing one onto a city would potentially kill most people in the city. So when did Wanda instruct Hulk to kill an entire city? How many people did Hulk kill?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 1:23:21 GMT
Would you say any Marvel characters are Mary Sues or come close to being a Mary Sue? Nope, none of them fit the bill. Neither does any DCEU character or Fox-men character. Edit: actually now that I think about it, Jlaw's Mystique does come close to Mary Sueness... Though never goes full Mary Sue. I've wondered about Mystique before. She's very clever, hacking her way into things and playing the parts of all the people she shifts into flawlessly. She's kept up appearances pretending to be people who've been dead for "some time", Mr Gyrich and Senator Kelly. And she's a wicked fighter. As Magneto says, "you have no idea".
But that's actually more the Mystique from the first 3. Jennifer Lawrence's Mystique I think is more relatable and even though I don't love the X-Men movies, I do think they've become better for having Mystique more involved in the story.
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Post by damngumby on Nov 19, 2018 1:31:23 GMT
Vision maimed an ally because he was distracted by his love for a genocidal ‘asylum seeker’ (economic migrant). He’s no Mary Sue, just over-powered. See, I understand that you don't like the MCU. What I don't understand is why you need to keep lying about it. When has Wanda ever been genocidal? Despite the mods request to tone down the rhetoric, these kids simply can not comply. Power Ranger used the term “genocidal” to irk MCU fans. It is a gross mischaracterization of the character, and he knows it. Not only that, but he will continue to use these derogatory terms as long as they can trigger an argument and the mods let him get away with it. This is precisely how shit storms are born. Under the new rules, this is certainly worthy of a 1st strike.
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Post by Power Ranger on Nov 19, 2018 1:49:53 GMT
Ross likened Hulk and Thor to thirty megaton nukes. Releasing one onto a city would potentially kill most people in the city. So when did Wanda instruct Hulk to kill an entire city? How many people did Hulk kill? Obviously people died when Hulk was tearing up Johannesburg. And you may claim that Wanda didn’t instruct Hulk to do that but I’d like to see how that would hold up in court, especially if Banner testified that he had no control over his actions at the time and if Cap, Thor and Black Widow testified that Wanda had caused them to hallucinate.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 19, 2018 1:54:57 GMT
So when did Wanda instruct Hulk to kill an entire city? How many people did Hulk kill? Obviously people died when Hulk was tearing up Johannesburg. And you may claim that Wanda didn’t instruct Hulk to do that but I’d like to see how that would hold up in court, especially if Banner testified that he had no control over his actions at the time and if Cap, Thor and Black Widow testified that Wanda has caused them to hallucinate. So in short, you admit that Wanda never actually instructed Hulk to kill people and you don't actually know how many people Hulk killed? See, I knew you were lying. Either that or you don't know what genocide means.
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Post by Power Ranger on Nov 19, 2018 1:55:25 GMT
See, I understand that you don't like the MCU. What I don't understand is why you need to keep lying about it. When has Wanda ever been genocidal? Despite the mods request to tone down the rhetoric, these kids simply can not comply. Power Ranger used the term “genocidal” to irk MCU fans. It is a gross mischaracterization of the character, and he knows it. Not only that, but he will continue to use these derogatory terms as long as they can trigger an argument and the mods let him get away with it. This is precisely how shit storms are born. Under the new rules, this is certainly worthy of a 1st strike. I’m sorry I insulted your heroes. But thousands of fictional people died when Hulk and Tony threw down in Johannesburg and it is a massacre if not a genocide, and arguing the innocence of this fictional character because you like them is trolling more than condemning them is. The difference is, I won’t ask for your banishment.
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Post by Power Ranger on Nov 19, 2018 2:00:36 GMT
Obviously people died when Hulk was tearing up Johannesburg. And you may claim that Wanda didn’t instruct Hulk to do that but I’d like to see how that would hold up in court, especially if Banner testified that he had no control over his actions at the time and if Cap, Thor and Black Widow testified that Wanda has caused them to hallucinate. So in short, you admit that Wanda never actually instructed Hulk to kill people and you don't actually know how many people Hulk killed? All evidence suggests that Wanda manipulated Hulk to cause a massacre in Johannesburg. marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Duel_of_Johannesburg
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 19, 2018 2:24:34 GMT
No, there's no actual evidence to suggest that Wanda specifically made Hulk attack Johannesburg. If there is evidence please provide it. Also, having "multiple" civilian and police casualties does not make this a genocide. For all you know those casualties are none fatal. Or maybe "multiple" means 6-8 deaths. Hardly a big enough number to be called a genocide. In short, you were making stuff up again. In other words, you were lying.
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Post by Power Ranger on Nov 19, 2018 2:26:40 GMT
No, there's no actual evidence to suggest that Wanda specifically made Hulk attack Johannesburg. If there is evidence please provide it. Also, having "multiple" civilian and police casualties does not make this a genocide. For all you know those casualties are none fatal. Or maybe "multiple" means 6-8 deaths. Hardly a big enough number to be called a genocide. In short, you were making stuff up again. In other words, you were lying. Did you see what happened in the Duel of Johannesburg? You’d be crazy to think the death toll wasn’t in the thousands.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 19, 2018 2:28:16 GMT
No, there's no actual evidence to suggest that Wanda specifically made Hulk attack Johannesburg. If there is evidence please provide it. Also, having "multiple" civilian and police casualties does not make this a genocide. For all you know those casualties are none fatal. Or maybe "multiple" means 6-8 deaths. Hardly a big enough number to be called a genocide. In short, you were making stuff up again. In other words, you were lying. Did you see what happened in the Duel of Johannesburg? You’d be crazy to think the death toll wasn’t in the thousands. Prove that it was in the thousands. Because unless you have hard evidence, you're merely making stuff up. Go ahead, post the vid and tell me which timestamps you actually see people killed.
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Post by politicidal on Nov 19, 2018 2:28:42 GMT
Are they already? Well that's a shame considering she's a well established character.
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Post by Power Ranger on Nov 19, 2018 2:43:04 GMT
Did you see what happened in the Duel of Johannesburg? You’d be crazy to think the death toll wasn’t in the thousands. Prove that it was in the thousands. Because unless you have hard evidence, you're merely making stuff up. Go ahead, post the vid and tell me which timestamps you actually see people killed. Show me the screenshots of people being maimed in the battle of New York or Sokovia. Just because there are no screenshots, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Because it would have. Tony Stark would have used the toilet and Black Widow have taken a shower. Just because there is no evidence, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. You’re being a denialist.
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Post by damngumby on Nov 19, 2018 2:52:34 GMT
Despite the mods request to tone down the rhetoric, these kids simply can not comply. Power Ranger used the term “genocidal” to irk MCU fans. It is a gross mischaracterization of the character, and he knows it. Not only that, but he will continue to use these derogatory terms as long as they can trigger an argument and the mods let him get away with it. This is precisely how shit storms are born. Under the new rules, this is certainly worthy of a 1st strike. I’m sorry I insulted your heroes. No you’re not ... because you’ll just do it again. Obviously, the mods request to end this sort of thing fell on your deaf ears. It looks like you need additional motivation. That’s where the 1st strike comes in. If it helps you recognize the error of your ways, then there is no need for banishment. What happens after that is completely up to you.
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Post by Power Ranger on Nov 19, 2018 2:56:55 GMT
I’m sorry I insulted your heroes. No you’re not ... because you’ll just do it again. Obviously, the mods request to end this sort of thing fell on your deaf ears. It looks like you need additional motivation. That’s where the 1st strike comes in. If it helps you recognize the error of your ways, then there is no need for banishment. What happens after that is completely up to you. You don’t get it. We can still insult your fictional superheroes. That isn’t against the rules. Provide the death count at the Duel at Johannesburg to prove it wasn’t a massacre anyway.
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Post by damngumby on Nov 19, 2018 3:08:17 GMT
No you’re not ... because you’ll just do it again. Obviously, the mods request to end this sort of thing fell on your deaf ears. It looks like you need additional motivation. That’s where the 1st strike comes in. If it helps you recognize the error of your ways, then there is no need for banishment. What happens after that is completely up to you. We can still insult your fictional superheroes. That attitude will not contribute to a more civil board. I guess you’re going to be part of the problem.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 19, 2018 3:14:45 GMT
Prove that it was in the thousands. Because unless you have hard evidence, you're merely making stuff up. Go ahead, post the vid and tell me which timestamps you actually see people killed. Show me the screenshots of people being maimed in the battle of New York or Sokovia. Just because there are no screenshots, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Because it would have. Tony Stark would have used the toilet and Black Widow have taken a shower. Just because there is no evidence, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. You’re being a denialist. Nope, that won't fly dude. I didn't make any claims so I have no need to prove anything. You claimed Wanda was genocidal, therefore you need to produce proof of her being genocide otherwise you're simply making stuff. Now, are you able to back yourself up with proof or will you admit to being a liar?
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Nov 19, 2018 3:47:58 GMT
Captain America is kind of effeminate.
Not trying to antagonize, just pointing out the obvious. He's presented as a boy scout but a boy scout takes the initiative in helping someone across the street--Captain America would be wondering if he should ask Falcon or a Russian spy(!) first.
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Post by James on Nov 19, 2018 12:19:51 GMT
Certainly not. Especially not Cap.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 19, 2018 22:14:12 GMT
you know there are ample Mary Sue checklists for characters. Like the famous Mary Sue Litmus Test by Springhole. springhole.net/writing/marysue.htmJust take how one character is depicted/written in one story and run it through a check list. It's usually how writers do it to avoid (too blatant) MS writing.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 19, 2018 22:25:00 GMT
Nope, none of them fit the bill. Neither does any DCEU character or Fox-men character. Edit: actually now that I think about it, Jlaw's Mystique does come close to Mary Sueness... Though never goes full Mary Sue. I've wondered about Mystique before. She's very clever, hacking her way into things and playing the parts of all the people she shifts into flawlessly. She's kept up appearances pretending to be people who've been dead for "some time", Mr Gyrich and Senator Kelly. And she's a wicked fighter. As Magneto says, "you have no idea".
But that's actually more the Mystique from the first 3. Jennifer Lawrence's Mystique I think is more relatable and even though I don't love the X-Men movies, I do think they've become better for having Mystique more involved in the story.
Being skilled in multiple areas is not really what makes a Mary Sue. It's often a symptom but not the cause. The reason Jlaw's Mystique has some Mary Sue tendencies is because she keeps getting a spotlight shone on her even when it doesn't make sense. Like the story/universe is specifically bending itself just so she can be made to look and feel important even when she isn't. Now that said, she isn't actually a Mary Sue. She lacks a few key elements to make her into a full Mary Sue but she's definitely the closest I can think of in recent cbm's.
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