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Post by Power Ranger on Nov 19, 2018 2:58:30 GMT
Just because she turned good doesn’t excuse the innocent lives lost due to her actions.
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Post by Power Ranger on Nov 19, 2018 4:19:59 GMT
And I apologise for slandering the character of Wanda.
But it was a massacre and she was responsible and should have been arrested, extradited to South Africa, tried and if convicted serve that sentence and then be deported to Sokovia. If Stark wants to retrieve her after that then he can go through American immigration authorities.
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Post by Power Ranger on Nov 19, 2018 4:22:08 GMT
If Wanda was arrested for her crimes in Age of Ultron then Vision wouldn’t have been thinking of her instead of shooting straight. Rhodey would be walking. Now he’s flying dead stick if you know what I mean.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 4:25:58 GMT
That would be up to the prosecutor under who's jurisdiction the case would belong. Did he feel he had evidence to take to trial? Loads of questions there. Could the case be still in the works? Some things like that take years! I've been watching Investigation Discovery a lot lately, and there are cases that are blatant murder that go on forever before any charges or arrests are filled waiting to get it all together. There are all kinds of questions that raises.
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Post by Power Ranger on Nov 19, 2018 4:32:21 GMT
Tony should design some special underpants so Rhodey’s man-parts still function.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 4:49:22 GMT
Ok ya got 3 threads asking the same question. Which one you want to talk about this on? I'm curious if there's a precedent for the whole "mind control" prosecution. Will it hold up in court?? I can see where this thing would take forever!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 5:00:58 GMT
I mean would they have to subpoena Hulk to state he wasn't under his own control? What kind of witness would he make? Is he credible?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 5:11:31 GMT
I mean would they have to subpoena Hulk to state he wasn't under his own control? What kind of witness would he make? Is he credible? I know one MCU character that might know. Matt Murdoch. Crossover opportunity. |
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Post by Power Ranger on Nov 19, 2018 5:26:54 GMT
That would be up to the prosecutor under who's jurisdiction the case would belong. Did he feel he had evidence to take to trial? Loads of questions there. Could the case be still in the works? Some things like that take years! I've been watching Investigation Discovery a lot lately, and there are cases that are blatant murder that go on forever before any charges or arrests are filled waiting to get it all together. There are all kinds of questions that raises. That’s a good answer but my response would be that a crime of this magnitude would require immediate incarceration. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 5:31:26 GMT
Maybe. As the world moves forward, they create more legal patchwork to fit the label they're prepared to give her crime. She probably wouldn't be arrested at Sokovia, or for Sokovia. It would be for what she did to Banner or the other Avengers. But what do you charge her with? Psychic meddling? Witchcraft? The best and really only thing they can charge her with, or detain her for, is using her powers outside of the limitations set by the Sokovia Accords. In other words, using her powers as something other than a legally recognized Avenger.
I think.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 5:38:42 GMT
That would be up to the prosecutor under who's jurisdiction the case would belong. Did he feel he had evidence to take to trial? Loads of questions there. Could the case be still in the works? Some things like that take years! I've been watching Investigation Discovery a lot lately, and there are cases that are blatant murder that go on forever before any charges or arrests are filled waiting to get it all together. There are all kinds of questions that raises. That’s a good answer but my response would be that a crime of this magnitude would require immediate incarceration. Do the authorities even have any evidence on her? Do they know it was her witchy ways, or do they think it was the Avengers at this point? I mean we, as the audience are privy to so much that characters shown and not shown im the film. That leaves a whole world of unknowns. And what laws are there for immediate incarceration for suspected witchcraft? I'm sure there could be due process going all the way back to Salem protecting her. |
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 19, 2018 5:47:56 GMT
First you actually have to prove there were innocent lives lost due to her actions.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 19, 2018 5:50:06 GMT
Ok ya got 3 threads asking the same question. Which one you want to talk about this on? I'm curious if there's a precedent for the whole "mind control" prosecution. Will it hold up in court?? I can see where this thing would take forever!! Power Ranger is just irritated that I called him out for making stuff up about Wanda and now he's making up numerous threads about it. |
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Post by scabab on Nov 19, 2018 6:19:47 GMT
Threads merged, you'll struggle to have a coherent discussion if you've divided it into three different threads.
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Post by Power Ranger on Nov 19, 2018 6:54:46 GMT
Threads merged, you'll struggle to have a coherent discussion if you've divided it into three different threads. That’s not right. They were all different subjects. Would Rhodey have been maimed if Wanda wasn’t on the team? Is Rhodey impotent? Those are two different questions. You shouldn’t give in to these complainants. It will make for a very rigid board. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 9:28:58 GMT
Threads merged, you'll struggle to have a coherent discussion if you've divided it into three different threads. That’s not right. They were all different subjects. Would Rhodey have been maimed if Wanda wasn’t on the team? Is Rhodey impotent? Those are two different questions. You shouldn’t give in to these complainants. It will make for a very rigid board. It's OK, we all can take mental notes and remember to discuss Rhodey's pecker once we look at any ability of the authorities to take Wanda to trial for these "alleged acts". Here's where we left off: Do the authorities even have any evidence on her? Do they know it was her witchy ways, or do they think it was the Avengers at this point? I mean we, as the audience are privy to so much that characters shown and not shown im the film. That leaves a whole world of unknowns. And what laws are there for immediate incarceration for suspected witchcraft? I'm sure there could be due process going all the way back to Salem protecting her. To add to that, won't the authorities really need to be going after the Hulk for this, and then if he happens to finger Wanda, wouldn't that be when she would be on the authorities' radar for this in the first place? And forgive me if I'm wrong, aren't skads of authorities already after Hulk in the first place? Uh, I have two first places in that paragraph... Hmmmm. Well I guess that just means there's a lot of ground to cover before someone cuffs Wanda. The more I look at this, the weaker your case for even attempting to get Wanda arrested for these acts just starts to fall apart, maybe you should just skip ahead to Rhodey's pecker problems? |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 19, 2018 10:09:04 GMT
First you actually have to prove there were innocent lives lost due to her actions. that's wrong, (i) most criminal laws have a crime of public endangerment, ie creating a peril/danger is punishable even without any damaged or bodily harm. (ii) also, there is the concept of attempt, the mere attempt of killing people and causing substantial damage is punishable. |
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Post by Power Ranger on Nov 19, 2018 14:48:51 GMT
That’s not right. They were all different subjects. Would Rhodey have been maimed if Wanda wasn’t on the team? Is Rhodey impotent? Those are two different questions. You shouldn’t give in to these complainants. It will make for a very rigid board. It's OK, we all can take mental notes and remember to discuss Rhodey's pecker once we look at any ability of the authorities to take Wanda to trial for these "alleged acts". Here's where we left off: Do the authorities even have any evidence on her? Do they know it was her witchy ways, or do they think it was the Avengers at this point? I mean we, as the audience are privy to so much that characters shown and not shown im the film. That leaves a whole world of unknowns. And what laws are there for immediate incarceration for suspected witchcraft? I'm sure there could be due process going all the way back to Salem protecting her. To add to that, won't the authorities really need to be going after the Hulk for this, and then if he happens to finger Wanda, wouldn't that be when she would be on the authorities' radar for this in the first place? And forgive me if I'm wrong, aren't skads of authorities already after Hulk in the first place? Uh, I have two first places in that paragraph... Hmmmm. Well I guess that just means there's a lot of ground to cover before someone cuffs Wanda. The more I look at this, the weaker your case for even attempting to get Wanda arrested for these acts just starts to fall apart, maybe you should just skip ahead to Rhodey's pecker problems? Are you assuming that the Avengers wouldn’t comply with investigations into the massacre in Johannesburg? There were ‘multiple casualties’. It’s ridiculous to assume that it doesn’t mean fatalities and any injuries would have been severe and may have eventuated into casualties. There would have been investigations by the South Africans but evidently the Avengers kept quiet. They don’t care about justice. To the contrary, Wanda was rewarded with a life of luxury and a dangerous job where she killed hundreds AGAIN! |
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 19, 2018 15:06:34 GMT
First you actually have to prove there were innocent lives lost due to her actions. that's wrong, (i) most criminal laws have a crime of public endangerment, ie creating a peril/danger is punishable even without any damaged or bodily harm. (ii) also, there is the concept of attempt, the mere attempt of killing people and causing substantial damage is punishable. The context of my answer got lost in the merge. My post was in answer to this: I wasn't questioning whether Wanda should be prosecuted or not, I was questioning PR's claim that innocent lives were lost. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 15:11:55 GMT
It's OK, we all can take mental notes and remember to discuss Rhodey's pecker once we look at any ability of the authorities to take Wanda to trial for these "alleged acts". Here's where we left off: Do the authorities even have any evidence on her? Do they know it was her witchy ways, or do they think it was the Avengers at this point? I mean we, as the audience are privy to so much that characters shown and not shown im the film. That leaves a whole world of unknowns. And what laws are there for immediate incarceration for suspected witchcraft? I'm sure there could be due process going all the way back to Salem protecting her. To add to that, won't the authorities really need to be going after the Hulk for this, and then if he happens to finger Wanda, wouldn't that be when she would be on the authorities' radar for this in the first place? And forgive me if I'm wrong, aren't skads of authorities already after Hulk in the first place? Uh, I have two first places in that paragraph... Hmmmm. Well I guess that just means there's a lot of ground to cover before someone cuffs Wanda. The more I look at this, the weaker your case for even attempting to get Wanda arrested for these acts just starts to fall apart, maybe you should just skip ahead to Rhodey's pecker problems? Are you assuming that the Avengers wouldn’t comply with investigations into the massacre in Johannesburg? There were ‘multiple casualties’. It’s ridiculous to assume that it doesn’t mean fatalities and any injuries would have been severe and may have eventuated into casualties. There would have been investigations by the South Africans but evidently the Avengers kept quiet. They don’t care about justice. To the contrary, Wanda was rewarded with a life of luxury and a dangerous job where she killed hundreds AGAIN! Oh nay nay, such investigations would take years and likely get rolled up into the Sokovia Accords with all the other mayhem that needed to be addressed. Whether or not investigations had even probed the depths of Hulk's motivations in South Africa by the time of the Civil War, let alone after the battle of Sokovia, as you postulate in this thread, would be impossible to determine given the depth a narrative can hope to attain. Rest assured, she was considered a fugitive from justice regardless of how deep investigations had reached. |
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