Aquaman First DCEU Billion Dollar Grosser

Well it happened.

It's mind boggling to think about when you consider the DCEU has had the first ever live action Batman/Superman crossover and a Justice League movie. Zack Snyder, you absolute f*ck up.

Good thing you didn’t say that you would suck Cartman’s balls like Kyle did.

He's not really wrong. Justice League absolutely should have made $1 billion and after Batman vs Superman had an opening of $422 million it easily should have passed $1 billion, it actually opened higher than The Avengers, Age of Ultron and Civil War but it ended up being one of the most front loaded movies ever because people didn't like it.

This is why I appreciate you, Tristan.  I don't always agree with your point of view, but you usually create valid arguments using sound logic.  Personally I think Snyder was the wrong guy for the job, yet it's hard to call BvS a failure at the box office.  In theory, a crowd-pleasing Batman/Superman team-up should make north of a billion in today's market, but that wasn't the film Snyder was trying to make.  He wanted to challenge the audience's perceptions of what you could do with these characters.  Whether or not it appealed to any individual audience member is a personal opinion and that isn't the point here; the bottom line is he went against the grain and still made a boat load of cash with BvS at the ww box office.

I wish everyone would put in the level of thought you put into these conversations.         

Hmm, your posts seem a little pettier than usual. Everything okay, Tris? In any case, it's very easy to single out one comment by a person and write them off as foul mouthed and lowbrow. For instance:

- Zack Snyder

Or you of course calling US presidents "dick-suckers". In any case, you weren't calling me lowbrow when I proved more knowledgeable about Palpatine's machinations in the prequels you claim to love, or when I dismantled your argument that BvS is Nietzschian with ease. In fact, in those instances you just hopped off with your tail between your legs. Hrm.

Then there's the MCU troll comment, which we've already been through. You gave each of the Avengers movies higher ratings than I did, and I like Wonder Woman more than any MCU movie save perhaps Winter Soldier. Such propaganda might have worked against Poland, but not me mein Australian friend. Now your arguments:

1. TDK and TDKR were both dark, more mature, and less kid friendly than BvS (not to mention having actual philosophical and political ideas rather than pretend), and each grossed a billion. Infinity War had half the cast turn to ash at the end and it grossed double that. So no, Snyder's dudebro punch em up with biblical references sprinkled in didn't fail to make a billion because it wasn't kid friendly.

Nor was anyone fatigued by Batman in 2016. I know, I was there. If it were a case of fatigue, the BO wouldn't have been so front loaded as scabab said. You don't have one of the highest opening weekends ever only for the audience to then suddenly remember "oh yeah, we're fatigued". Why did it have such a high opening? Because these are the two most iconic superheroes ever - the best if handled right - on screen together for the first time. It would have surfed passed a billion with Aquaman if only the audience liked it.

2. A better comparison than Chris Columbus would be whoever directed that first Fast and the Furious movie. Wonder Woman and Aquaman have succeeded *in spite of* an unpromising financial and artistic start, thanks to talented directors. Especially in the case of Wan. I've never seen a movie so singled out for its direction, while most still say Mamoa isn't a very good actor and mock his character - even you - as "Aquabro".