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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 3, 2018 12:42:31 GMT
Just because audience paid to see Sony's schlock, it doesn't mean they liked it. Hell, I paid to see this piece of shit in the theater, and I'm a huge Spider-Man fan.  = Personal Incredulity (when I don't like nobody can really like) and Straw ManTo be honest I've not really met or seen many people who genuinely liked Venom, most people I've seen that liked it describe it as being guilty pleasure fare and encourage those who do see it to go in with very low expectations. I've said it before, you take away Venom and Eddie's interaction audiences would echo the sentiments from critics. = Anecdotal Fallacy and Confirmation BiasAlso, I’ve noticed that 3/4 of the film’s box office is coming from foreign territories. So what does that tell you? that Venom is an international success - which is great for Sony..? Never put your eggs in just one basket.
Hey and look at the house of fallacies that precedes your post above; what does all that add up to? The Nile is not just a river in Egypt, especially when getting this salty. 
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Post by dazz on Dec 3, 2018 15:44:42 GMT
Spider-Man won't be going back to Sony fully anytime soon. They partner up with Marvel Studios in the first place to save the sinking ship that was the continually faltering Spider-man series. see that is where I dont agree. it was not a sinking ship. it was a little stumble and when u stumble you pick yourself up and go back to where you went wrong to correct that. sony made a big mistake to partner up to marvel. they never needed it. Yeah because being the one studio with the only declining comic book movie franchise during a comic book movie boom was all sunshine and rainbows.
Also do you have any reason for this thinking besides personal taste, like serious here don't bring up "quality" here what reasons did Sony not need to worry, from what I have gathered Sony renegotiated their deal with Marvel at this time to which gave Marvel back all merch and TV rights to the character, in exchange Sony earned 100% of the box office revenue due, then the films gross the lowest of all the films with no other method to monetise the brand, they bet on the films selling well and they sold worse than ever before, seems like a valid reason for Sony to kind of freak out, and to want to side with Marvel who is the hottest studio going, increasing their fanbase year to year and constantly turning a profit...so why exactly was this a mistake and something they didn't need?
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Dec 3, 2018 16:20:46 GMT
Every MCU fan I know and have seen post anything on the internet is looking forward to Spiderverse.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 3, 2018 16:29:25 GMT
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 3, 2018 16:38:14 GMT
I voted for Gerbils!
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Post by Power Ranger on Dec 3, 2018 17:23:38 GMT
Spider-Man won't be going back to Sony fully anytime soon. They partner up with Marvel Studios in the first place to save the sinking ship that was the continually faltering Spider-man series. see that is where I dont agree. it was not a sinking ship. it was a little stumble and when u stumble you pick yourself up and go back to where you went wrong to correct that. sony made a big mistake to partner up to marvel. they never needed it. Exactly. Look at the money Venom is making. If Morbius is good, who can resist seeing Spidey taking on a vampire? Sony will only give up that possibility by charging Marvel squillions to loan Spidey. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Dec 3, 2018 17:32:03 GMT
Venom deserves all sucesss,saw it again it gets better every time. Spiderverse looks awesome like venom it will be better than spiderkidde homecoming,sad how childish fans are and want movies to bomb cause they are not in the same verse. How did you see Venom again when its been out of theatres for a while and is weeks shy of home release? But Spiderverse is a kids movie it's being targeted mainly at children and is rated PG, Homecoming was rated PG-13 and was marketed at a slightly older market. No MCU fan in this thread or anywhere else on this forum have I seen has wished Spiderverse to bomb at the box office simply because it's not the MCU. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Dec 3, 2018 17:33:22 GMT
Again, ‘Venom’ looks like something that got pitifully sanitized by the studio. and yet it looks like a bloody splatterfest of gutts and gore vis-a-vis sterile MCU efforts or Homecoming. Sony tries to build a Spiderverse, it's only natural they will adapt the tone and gore to that level.
Pity, it's not a sane argument of yours regardless of how many times you repeat it.
Eh, the Venom movie is actually pretty tame. I saw more blood in Raimi's original Spider-Man. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 3, 2018 17:33:50 GMT
see that is where I dont agree. it was not a sinking ship. it was a little stumble and when u stumble you pick yourself up and go back to where you went wrong to correct that. sony made a big mistake to partner up to marvel. they never needed it. Exactly. Look at the money Venom is making. If Morbius is good, who can resist seeing Spidey taking on a vampire? Sony will only give up that possibility by charging Marvel squillions to loan Spidey. Indeed. As far I as I read Sony are only contractually bound to the Marvel deal for the next film "Far From Home". After that they can do as they please.
Seeing that they seem to have hit a creative gold mine with Venom (maked de facto teh same money as Homecoming including Ironman&MCU) and the new Spiderverse it is not out of question that they use and reinvent life action Spiderman for their Spiderverse and let Marvel go.
I am still hoping that we see a real Spiderman instead of a Spiderboy one day, especially in view of acting calibers like Hardy & Co.
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Post by Power Ranger on Dec 3, 2018 17:41:40 GMT
Exactly. Look at the money Venom is making. If Morbius is good, who can resist seeing Spidey taking on a vampire? Sony will only give up that possibility by charging Marvel squillions to loan Spidey. Indeed. As far I as I read Sony are only contractually bound to the Marvel deal for the next film "Far From Home". After that they can do as they please.
Seeing that they seem to have hit a creative gold mine with Venom (maked de facto teh same money as Homecoming including Ironman&MCU) and the new Spiderverse it is not out of question that they use and reinvent life action Spiderman for their Spiderverse and let Marvel go.
I am still hoping that we see a real Spiderman instead of a Spiderboy one day, especially in view of acting calibers like Hardy & Co.
I like Homecoming enough and I hated Venom. But at the least Venom did create a workable Venom character. A new writing team and director could give future Venom films unlimited potential. I’m fact, the fact Venom was so bad may advantage the franchise. Venom 2 may not be viable but the Venom character in an ensemble piece could be excellent. Put Venom, Morbius and other characters played by quality actors (almost all actors are open to superhero films now) and it could be superb. But that’s if Sony can get it right. It’s still a very big ‘if’. |
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Post by dazz on Dec 3, 2018 17:43:17 GMT
Thank you Richard Gere... |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 3, 2018 17:46:47 GMT
and yet it looks like a bloody splatterfest of gutts and gore vis-a-vis sterile MCU efforts or Homecoming. Sony tries to build a Spiderverse, it's only natural they will adapt the tone and gore to that level.
Pity, it's not a sane argument of yours regardless of how many times you repeat it.
Eh, the Venom movie is actually pretty tame. I saw more blood in Raimi's original Spider-Man. I am assuming you are sqeamish and just looked away when it got gruesome? I remember the creatures biting off several heads and decapitating/killing an entire table of scientists, and I remember implanted creatures eating up guinea pig humans from inside, or dead soldiers being used as club to trash other soldiers.
I do not remember anything close to that in the original Spider-Man movie, as good as it was...
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Dec 3, 2018 18:04:28 GMT
Eh, the Venom movie is actually pretty tame. I saw more blood in Raimi's original Spider-Man. I am assuming you are sqeamish and just looked away when it got gruesome? I remember the creatures biting off several heads and decapitating/killing an entire table of scientists, and I remember implanted creatures eating up guinea pig humans from inside, or dead soldiers being used as club to trash other soldiers.
I do not remember anything close to that in the original Spider-Man movie, as good as it was...
Nope, not squeamish at all. I saw Robocop as a kid and didn't look away at all or had it turned off. |
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Post by scabab on Dec 3, 2018 18:57:06 GMT
see that is where I dont agree. it was not a sinking ship. it was a little stumble and when u stumble you pick yourself up and go back to where you went wrong to correct that. sony made a big mistake to partner up to marvel. they never needed it. It was much more significant than that. Ever since the original movie each movie that came out made less and less money domestically and with the exception of Spider-man 3, worldwide as well. Spider-Man 3 was not well liked. The Amazing Spider-man was considered better but was never well liked. The Amazing Spider-man 2 was not well liked. Had they made an Amazing Spider-man 3 it would have continued the trend yet again of just making even less money. Spider-Man Homecoming thanks to Marvel bucked this trend by being the most successful movie since Spider-man 3 and the most well liked since Spider-man 2. |
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Post by thenewnexus on Dec 3, 2018 20:50:44 GMT
Venom deserves all sucesss,saw it again it gets better every time. Spiderverse looks awesome like venom it will be better than spiderkidde homecoming,sad how childish fans are and want movies to bomb cause they are not in the same verse. How did you see Venom again when its been out of theatres for a while and is weeks shy of home release? But Spiderverse is a kids movie it's being targeted mainly at children and is rated PG, Homecoming was rated PG-13 and was marketed at a slightly older market. No MCU fan in this thread or anywhere else on this forum have I seen has wished Spiderverse to bomb at the box office simply because it's not the MCU. Exactly Spiderverse is intended to be kid movie but Homecoming had a pg13 rating and was a kid movie kind of sad. Liar you were making bitter comments how Venom was made to confuse and make money off moviegoers due to it not being mcu. Sounds like you were real excited 😒 |
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Post by thenewnexus on Dec 3, 2018 20:52:46 GMT
everybody here is saying how Venom made money from Foreign markets saying its not good,well Homecoming made tons of money from Foreign markets and yal are praising it. Foreign market is only good when its convenient for you,biggest hypocrites ever.
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Post by summers8 on Dec 3, 2018 21:06:30 GMT
see that is where I dont agree. it was not a sinking ship. it was a little stumble and when u stumble you pick yourself up and go back to where you went wrong to correct that. sony made a big mistake to partner up to marvel. they never needed it. It was much more significant than that. Ever since the original movie each movie that came out made less and less money domestically and with the exception of Spider-man 3, worldwide as well. Spider-Man 3 was not well liked. The Amazing Spider-man was considered better but was never well liked. The Amazing Spider-man 2 was not well liked. Had they made an Amazing Spider-man 3 it would have continued the trend yet again of just making even less money. Spider-Man Homecoming thanks to Marvel bucked this trend by being the most successful movie since Spider-man 3 and the most well liked since Spider-man 2. no I dont buy that I never will because I see batman and wb. and xmen and fox too.
how many times has wb felt they got it wrong with batman? batman and robin, batman forever they now want to add batman v superman and justice league....if I was to look at it like that for spidey, he looks better.
WB now wants to try again and they will likely succeed this time with matt reeves batman. despite the ups and down of batman movies, only wb can do him best and it is the same for spidey. only sony can do him best..it is the same for xmen. only fox could do that best despite also having low points like origins and X3.
that is life. when you stumble you get back up and continue, everybody fails but you should never be bullied or intimated to join the masses that has zero substance in the end.
Disney will never make any spiderman movie as good as the raimi movies. sony still can , if they did it before they can do it again.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 3, 2018 21:13:58 GMT
everybody here is saying how Venom made money from Foreign markets saying its not good,well Homecoming made tons of money from Foreign markets and yal are praising it. Foreign market is only good when its convenient for you,biggest hypocrites ever. correct, Homecoming box office was essentially saved from disgrace by China (where he is the Nr 1 Superhero for the kids), in other countries it dropped like crazy over 60% despite the much hailed return of Marvels biggest star into the arms of (excessively bored) RDJ-IronMang and MCU. There is nothing wrong with that way of making money though. Just conveniently hypocritical by the MCU fanboys. |
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Post by havenless on Dec 3, 2018 21:32:36 GMT
It looks pretty good.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Dec 3, 2018 22:47:57 GMT
How did you see Venom again when its been out of theatres for a while and is weeks shy of home release? But Spiderverse is a kids movie it's being targeted mainly at children and is rated PG, Homecoming was rated PG-13 and was marketed at a slightly older market. No MCU fan in this thread or anywhere else on this forum have I seen has wished Spiderverse to bomb at the box office simply because it's not the MCU. Exactly Spiderverse is intended to be kid movie but Homecoming had a pg13 rating and was a kid movie kind of sad. Liar you were making bitter comments how Venom was made to confuse and make money off moviegoers due to it not being mcu. Sounds like you were real excited 😒 You totally dodged my question on how you were able to see Venom again when its been out of theatres for a while and its home release isn't till later this month. So, how did you see the whole movie again? Except it wasn't, no more or less than any of the previous Spider-Man live-action movies and like them people of a wide age range can certainly enjoy it. I never said I was excited to see Venom anywhere in the comment you replied to, don't put out words that were never there to begin with. As for the movie confusing movie goers into thinking it was an MCU movie to make some of that profit at the box office Amy Pascal pretty much revealed that that was the intent a year ago in an interview, and it worked. Don't know about you but some of the movie goers I was with when seeing Venom came out wondering why there weren't any mentions of The Avengers or if it was before or after Thanos' finger snap. |
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