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Post by charzhino on Dec 3, 2018 18:55:53 GMT
Taxi Driver writer Paul Schrader has come out with some pretty controversial comments in the last few hours where he indirectly blames audiences for a lack of quality serious filmmaking. Its quite inflammatory to call out audiences like this from his position. Now although he doesnt say it outright, there is a strong feeling hes indirectly blaming comic book movie going audience (as a whole genre, not just the MCU) because CBMs are dominating the box office and have been for this decade. Does he have any semblance of a point or is he losing touch with what modern movie goers are after? www.newindianexpress.com/entertainment/english/2018/dec/03/taxi-driver-writer-paul-schrader-says-audiences-letting-filmmakers-down-1906746.html
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Post by scabab on Dec 3, 2018 18:59:50 GMT
Who are these people not taking movies seriously? If anything people take them too seriously.
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Post by charzhino on Dec 3, 2018 19:15:22 GMT
Who are these people not taking movies seriously? If anything people take them too seriously. The audience thats going to the big blockbusters I guess. I think he means the contents of the movies they are watching is not serious or maybe he means audiences talk and text too much at the theatre? He is vague about it but hes basically parroting what Ethan Hawke said a few weeks ago since they both worked on the same movie as the article says. The Reverend or something.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 19:23:23 GMT
It's some sour grapes. It sounds less egregious when coming from one of us, but he actually makes films. He can do something.
I have just as much disdain for a lot of movies too, but what can you do? People make them and then people other than me go to see them. Like 5-6 however many years ago, we were getting Epic Movie and Date Movie and people bought tickets. Movie 43, people bought tickets.
History's replete with examples of movies that didn't take off right away. Citizen Kane did poorly at the box office and was famously booed when its nominations were brought up at the Oscars. The Rocky Horror Picture Show saw dismal box office numbers and would have faded into obscurity if not for future sales of VHS. Fight Club didn't do well at the box office, though you would think today that it hit the ground running. It didn't.
As a viewer and fan, I have no interest in being blamed for the state of movies. In a way they're kind of like politics. There's serious ones all around but the loudest jackasses get the most attention. Not my fault, not my problem. Don't serve me shit and then bitch that I don't expect better food, get off your ass and cook something worth eating.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 3, 2018 19:26:04 GMT
He's oblivious to the fact that going to the theater is not as prevalent as it once was. The older generation of filmmakers are always blaming CBMs for the death of cinema when in reality they're one of the few things keeping the industry afloat. There are a thousand entertainment options these days, the least appealing of which (at least to most) is sitting in the dark with a bunch of strangers and not playing with your phone for two hours. Somehow this is spun into, "CBMs are ruining film," when the reality of the situation is only spectacle and the enormous hype surrounding a blockbuster are going to pull people into theaters anymore. It's just the way it is. With so much entertainment available at your fingertips (or on enormous hi def TVs at home) only the blockbusters are worth spending the extra cash on to watch on a huge screen.
It's not that complicated a concept, I think the older demographic in the industry is just too stubborn to accept it. They act as if CBMs are big box stores while the rest of cinema is a mom and pop operation getting swallowed up by the competition. It's the opposite; a better analogy would be to say CBMs are still pulling people into the dying retail establishment while the streaming services are playing the part of amazon.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 3, 2018 19:29:44 GMT
He's been singing the same tune for the past thirty years. Only in the past, he blamed stuff like Raiders of the Lost Ark (seriously he called it a bad movie) but now superheroes are in vogue so he's taking potshots at them.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Dec 3, 2018 19:37:21 GMT
He's so full of it. The problem are the studio bosses restricting content. Blaming the audiences for things they do not control--it's like blaming the public for bad political candidates. They cannot get through the media or finance gate unless they fit certain narrow parameters. There's little choice. Movies work the same way.
Hard Core was an interesting film but it would never have been a crowd pleaser. Schrader is bitter that the bosses have restricted things so much that someone like himself who used to be granted a place at the table is now kicked to the curb. But he won't name the boss so he blames the audience.
Loyal apparatchik to the end I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 19:41:35 GMT
I deleted it by accident in my last answer but studios hold responsibility. They gamble with sure things. A lot of big movies are a franchise waiting to happen. Big budget blockbusters with half the movie salt and peppered with Easter eggs hinting at the next movie in the series. The Transformers, The Maze Runners', The Hunger Games' and Fantastic Beasts'. Not criticizing them because I haven't seen most, but they're definitely more in tune with today's cash cows the studio is after.
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Post by charzhino on Dec 3, 2018 20:28:20 GMT
He's been singing the same tune for the past thirty years. Only in the past, he blamed stuff like Raiders of the Lost Ark (seriously he called it a bad movie) but now superheroes are in vogue so he's taking potshots at them. Didn't realise he had a history of these kinda comments.
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Post by Power Ranger on Dec 3, 2018 21:25:03 GMT
Who are these people not taking movies seriously? If anything people take them too seriously. If they have low expectations then they’re not taking cinema seriously enough.
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Post by Power Ranger on Dec 3, 2018 21:30:09 GMT
He's been singing the same tune for the past thirty years. Only in the past, he blamed stuff like Raiders of the Lost Ark (seriously he called it a bad movie) but now superheroes are in vogue so he's taking potshots at them. I remember him saying it about Armageddon. At least he provides sound reasoning. He cites statistics saying that cinemagoers are younger than in previous decades, and big budget films cater to this audience. I like his work. My favourite film of his is Blue Collar. I definitely agree that mainstream cinema is dumber now than the 70s. Even big budget popcorn films then had higher artistic integrity in their screenwriting.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 21:45:04 GMT
He's been singing the same tune for the past thirty years. Only in the past, he blamed stuff like Raiders of the Lost Ark (seriously he called it a bad movie) but now superheroes are in vogue so he's taking potshots at them. Didn't realise he had a history of these kinda comments. Likewise.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Dec 3, 2018 22:30:00 GMT
I don't need a movie to tell me how I should feel about social and political issues. This guy is an elitist snob who can't sell his product to the studios so he blames the audience. Typical.
BTW, why was this posted on the MCU board in the first place?
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Post by politicidal on Dec 3, 2018 22:58:40 GMT
He's been singing the same tune for the past thirty years. Only in the past, he blamed stuff like Raiders of the Lost Ark (seriously he called it a bad movie) but now superheroes are in vogue so he's taking potshots at them. Didn't realise he had a history of these kinda comments. A lot of people from the New Hollywood era who aren’t named Steven Spielberg and George Lucas are bitter about blockbusters usurping attention from their own work.
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Post by havenless on Dec 3, 2018 23:17:30 GMT
Don’t tell me what a I like to see. Make a good movie or don’t. Blame yourself if you don’t.
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Post by hobowar on Dec 4, 2018 0:04:57 GMT
Audiences are smarter than charzhino and Paul Schrader 100% of the time.
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