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Post by hi224 on Dec 4, 2018 6:16:48 GMT
sooo did she kill her friend at all.
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Dec 4, 2018 9:55:40 GMT
So did she kill her friend at all? What do YOU hi224 think?
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Post by mecano04 on Dec 4, 2018 19:18:33 GMT
While I heard about the case I didn't really followed it back then (or now) but I decided to read on it and here is the facts (for thsoe how migth be interested) :
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Dec 4, 2018 19:22:48 GMT
While I heard about the case I didn't really followed it back then (or now) but I decided to read on it and here is the facts (for thsoe how migth be interested) : so is that a yes or a no?
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Post by mecano04 on Dec 4, 2018 20:04:39 GMT
I'm not sure but what's unsettling is her cold and distant gaze. Combine that with her body language, the way she moves and talks, as if everything is calculated (the tears are there but not much else) instead of really flowing naturally and that's probably why many still have doubts.
If we include some parts of her diary that were leaked (even if they were used to portray her in a specific manner) to what has been said above and how the whole thing turned out, I would say she is not guilty of the crime yet the Italian justice system still did something inadvertently. They exposed a psychopath. So now, even if she was exonerated, people still see that part of her and she can't escape it. Sure she does enjoy the money that comes from her book or show but ultimately I feel it's not done to make things "right" but to put on a front that will allow the psychopath to "hide" in plain sight again.
But that's just my 2 cents based on what I read and saw.
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Post by MrFurious on Jun 15, 2019 18:25:56 GMT
I was gonna start a poll on whether she did it or not(that search thingy is great) but right now I'm on the fence. At the time I thought she was guilty as hell, could never understand the smiling from her, maybe it was some unusual mental habit she had. She's got some lady ballz though for going back to Italy this weekend.
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Post by mecano04 on Jun 15, 2019 20:55:48 GMT
I was gonna start a poll on whether she did it or not(that search thingy is great) but right now I'm on the fence. At the time I thought she was guilty as hell, could never understand the smiling from her, maybe it was some unusual mental habit she had. She's got some lady ballz though for going back to Italy this weekend. Well I didn't knew she was back in Italy, like I said I didn't follow the case much.
I found this short clip (I'll try to find the whole thing) about a speech she just made:
Maybe I'm the one who is crazy but I just can't match her speech with her attitude and body language. Her words are those of someone trying to clear her name while trying to be correct with the victim's family while her attitude and body language is that of someone trying to accuse everybody else of the crime and there is no real remorse or sadness shown. Even the part with the tears seem calculated. It looks like she tries to "oversell" her innocence.
Well I found the whole clip but I'm still trying to find the subtitles (they don,t seem to be allowed for the clip...)
Of course there is this clip about her body language based on a Ted talk (still interesting even outside this case)
The Ted talk clip:
Honestly, I'm still having trouble buying her version. Of course there were more said in the links I provided a few months ago but some of it was thrown out of court because of how the italian police handled the case.
Still too many vague or unanswered details.
I'm sticking with the psychopath diagnosis (from my gut and what I learned in psychology classes using the DSM) but I'll switch my verdict to guilty.
Once again jut my 2 cent.
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Post by politicidal on Jun 17, 2019 0:34:31 GMT
I don't think so, no.
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Post by mecano04 on Aug 2, 2019 13:22:01 GMT
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Post by Morgana on Aug 11, 2019 9:36:39 GMT
I read that both she and her husband are doctors. Are you going to tell me they can't afford a wedding or a party?
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Post by Morgana on Aug 11, 2019 9:41:21 GMT
sooo did she kill her friend at all. I just watched a BBC documentary on the murder and it was very impartial, in my opinion. I think she's guilty as hell. She is cold and calculating. Even her recent trip back to Italy is as though she's saying 'ha! I got away with it, Italy. Take that!' The BBC documentary made me want to find out more, so I watched some interviews with her, including the Ted Talk one. She never says how sorry she is that her friend died. She never apologized to the man that she framed for the murder. She is a psychopath who got away with murder because the Italian police are useless. Watch the documentary and decide. P.S. You really should give us your opinion when you post something like this.
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Post by mecano04 on Aug 11, 2019 12:36:19 GMT
I read that both she and her husband are doctors. Are you going to tell me they can't afford a wedding or a party? It seems they want the public to fall for that too.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Aug 11, 2019 14:32:39 GMT
I think she was 100% innocent. Seeing how the Italian justice system worked in this case made me (slightly) less depressed about the justice system here in the U.S.
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Post by Morgana on Aug 13, 2019 10:17:32 GMT
I think she was 100% innocent. Seeing how the Italian justice system worked in this case made me (slightly) less depressed about the justice system here in the U.S. Because the Italian police made a mess of the investigation doesn't mean she is innocent. You should look up the facts of the case.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Aug 13, 2019 14:39:33 GMT
I think she was 100% innocent. Seeing how the Italian justice system worked in this case made me (slightly) less depressed about the justice system here in the U.S. Because the Italian police made a mess of the investigation doesn't mean she is innocent. You should look up the facts of the case. I don't think she's innocent merely because the police and prosecutors were sloppy. I think the evidence indicates (clearly, for me) that she is innocent.
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Post by Morgana on Aug 14, 2019 10:57:23 GMT
Because the Italian police made a mess of the investigation doesn't mean she is innocent. You should look up the facts of the case. I don't think she's innocent merely because the police and prosecutors were sloppy. I think the evidence indicates (clearly, for me) that she is innocent. Watch the BBC documentary if you can.
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Post by faustus5 on Aug 14, 2019 17:06:28 GMT
I think she was 100% innocent. Seeing how the Italian justice system worked in this case made me (slightly) less depressed about the justice system here in the U.S. Because the Italian police made a mess of the investigation doesn't mean she is innocent. You should look up the facts of the case. I'm quite familiar with the facts and and am extremely confident that all the good evidence suggests the guy who actually went to jail for the crime was its perpetrator.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 1:02:23 GMT
I'm not sure but what's unsettling is her cold and distant gaze. Combine that with her body language, the way she moves and talks, as if everything is calculated (the tears are there but not much else) instead of really flowing naturally and that's probably why many still have doubts. If we include some parts of her diary that were leaked (even if they were used to portray her in a specific manner) to what has been said above and how the whole thing turned out, I would say she is not guilty of the crime yet the Italian justice system still did something inadvertently. They exposed a psychopath. So now, even if she was exonerated, people still see that part of her and she can't escape it. Sure she does enjoy the money that comes from her book or show but ultimately I feel it's not done to make things "right" but to put on a front that will allow the psychopath to "hide" in plain sight again. But that's just my 2 cents based on what I read and saw. I'm interested to hear why you think she's a psychopath? I don't know that much about her although I don't think she murdered anyone
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Post by hi224 on Sept 9, 2019 2:34:09 GMT
id like to actually hear both sides.
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Post by mecano04 on Sept 11, 2019 0:28:31 GMT
I'm not sure but what's unsettling is her cold and distant gaze. Combine that with her body language, the way she moves and talks, as if everything is calculated (the tears are there but not much else) instead of really flowing naturally and that's probably why many still have doubts. If we include some parts of her diary that were leaked (even if they were used to portray her in a specific manner) to what has been said above and how the whole thing turned out, I would say she is not guilty of the crime yet the Italian justice system still did something inadvertently. They exposed a psychopath. So now, even if she was exonerated, people still see that part of her and she can't escape it. Sure she does enjoy the money that comes from her book or show but ultimately I feel it's not done to make things "right" but to put on a front that will allow the psychopath to "hide" in plain sight again. But that's just my 2 cents based on what I read and saw. I'm interested to hear why you think she's a psychopath? I don't know that much about her although I don't think she murdered anyone Because details about her actions, behavior and body language points towards a disorder, which would be the antisocial personality disorder (which cover psychopathy, among other disorders, in the DSM).
On top of links provided previously, here is the documentary that, if I'm not mistaken, Morgana was referencing:
And here is a link with the changes from the DSM IV to the DSM V criteria for personality disorders.
Also:
For some points, like hostility (point D, of number 1, part B), it can easily be seen in how she feels about the Italian police, talking (and nearly blaming them) about how they approached the case (despite the fact that at that point in time they were simply doing their job at a crime scene):
Point C, D & E can be filled with the details found in her character traits profile on the link provided above.
She fills F.
Do you think it's too far fetched?
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