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Post by hi224 on Dec 7, 2018 7:26:06 GMT
anyone list some.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 13:25:20 GMT
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Post by mecano04 on Dec 7, 2018 23:30:20 GMT
Well, can't they show/release at least one bit of the video so people may recognize the person or something about her?
I understand they want to avoid copy-cats and make sure they don't compromise any future trial but maybe they have to go a notch further to make it happen.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 0:02:42 GMT
Well, can't they show/release at least one bit of the video so people may recognize the person or something about her?
I understand they want to avoid copy-cats and make sure they don't compromise any future trial but maybe they have to go a notch further to make it happen.
The photo, along with a sketch is in the article. Here is the audio. |
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Post by mecano04 on Dec 8, 2018 0:31:44 GMT
Well, can't they show/release at least one bit of the video so people may recognize the person or something about her?
I understand they want to avoid copy-cats and make sure they don't compromise any future trial but maybe they have to go a notch further to make it happen.
The photo, along with a sketch is in the article. Here is the audio. Maybe I misunderstood the article but it seems they were saying there are more but they are keeping it away from the public for the moment. I saw the sketch and picture.
Since you got the recording it seems they released some.
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Post by clusium on Dec 8, 2018 0:47:34 GMT
I knew someone who had been murdered back in the early 90s. Her murder is still unsolved. Simone Sandler |
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Post by clusium on Dec 8, 2018 0:51:27 GMT
Just last year, a very rich philanthropist couple here in the Greater Toronto Area, were murdered, & it is still unsolved. Barry & Honey Sherman |
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Post by mecano04 on Dec 8, 2018 0:58:08 GMT
The Butcher of Mons is still unsolved and the killer was actually "playing" with the cops since he (most probably a man) left the different parts of the different victims where they found others. In other words, the arms of victim number 2 could be found where the head of victim number 1 was found and so on. The odd thing is also how it started and ended abruptly on top of the names of the streets where the parts were left. It might be hard to find documentaries and clips in english but here is the wiki and the basic informations: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butcher_of_MonsOn a TV show, a few years ago they interviewed a man who had just bought a uninhabited house in the region and he claimed that the first week, has he was cleaning the backyard he noticed a pile of garbage and there was a bag that smelled horrible (yet it didn't seem that it has been there for too long). At first he thought it was he remains of horse meat (not uncommon meat in the region but not common to find in backyard) but when he opened it it didn't look like it. He called the cops to get them to investigate but they never showed up. HE eventually threw the bag to the garbage and it went to the dump. The cops might have overlooked evidence there.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 9, 2018 3:28:17 GMT
The mystery of Lord Lucan fascinated me.
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Post by Captain Spencer on Dec 9, 2018 16:47:27 GMT
D.B. Cooper
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 10, 2018 5:13:41 GMT
Louis Le Prince, aka the guy who invented the movie camera. Got on a train to advertise it, was never seen again. There are conspiracy theories that Thomas Edison had something to do with it.
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Post by llanwydd on Dec 10, 2018 6:34:48 GMT
My first visit to this board. Great to be here. Perhaps too classic to be interesting to some but I am a big JFK assassination hound. I think that Oswald and the guy on the grassy knoll completely surprised each other. Dealy Plaza was the best place for two or more assassins to converge. As one of the characters in the JFK (Oliver Stone) film observed, "It was a turkey shoot".
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Post by hi224 on Dec 10, 2018 7:58:21 GMT
My first visit to this board. Great to be here. Perhaps too classic to be interesting to some but I am a big JFK assassination hound. I think that Oswald and the guy on the grassy knoll completely surprised each other. Dealy Plaza was the best place for two or more assassins to converge. As one of the characters in the JFK (Oliver Stone) film observed, "It was a turkey shoot". interesting as well. |
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Post by TheSowIsMine on Dec 10, 2018 19:45:01 GMT
Elizabeth Short
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Post by Salzmank on Dec 11, 2018 20:40:13 GMT
Lots, but three off-hand that came to mind are
Clarence Roberts
Judith Smith
Rhonda Hinson
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Post by Salzmank on Dec 11, 2018 20:49:25 GMT
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Post by mecano04 on Dec 11, 2018 23:16:05 GMT
While in Basque Country this year, I took a picture of the entrance the Cagots used to go to church back in the days. As you can see it's nowhere near the main entrance nor the service entrance. It is isolated and only accessible from a back alley. It leads to a tribune only accessible from the stairs you see. That tribune is also stuck between 2 bigger ones, above and under. They were really treated as pariahs.
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Post by Salzmank on Dec 12, 2018 0:03:24 GMT
While in Basque Country this year, I took a picture of the entrance the Cagots used to go to church back in the days. As you can see it’s nowhere near the main entrance nor the service entrance. It is isolated and only accessible from a back alley. It leads to a tribune only accessible from the stairs you see. That tribune is also stuck between 2 bigger ones, above and under. They were really treated as pariahs.
It’s really one of the most bizarre cases of discrimination I’ve ever heard. As the Wikipedia article states, quoting historian Graham Robb, “…the real ‘mystery of the Cagots’ was the fact that they had no distinguishing features at all. They spoke whatever dialect was spoken in the region and their family names were not peculiar to the Cagots…” My theory, based on absolutely no evidence, is that if “their only distinguishing feature was their descent from families identified as Cagots,” then something happened with those families, probably many generations before, and considered so horrible and so egregious that the populace considered it to be something akin to a family curse–“the Curse of the Cagots,” to be Chestertonian about it. What could it have been? My thought was that it could have been incest. If all the Cagots were related, far back, being seen as products of incest could have been enough to make them pariahs. Maybe there was more than one case in the family? That could have even worsened the situation. As I say, it’s based on no evidence. The reason was probably forgotten, and they were considered pestilential just because that was the way it had always been. But I can see incest as the reason, especially as the Cagots were considered to have been, or at least equal to, “…cretins, lepers, heretics, cannibals…” |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 12:18:44 GMT
While in Basque Country this year, I took a picture of the entrance the Cagots used to go to church back in the days. As you can see it’s nowhere near the main entrance nor the service entrance. It is isolated and only accessible from a back alley. It leads to a tribune only accessible from the stairs you see. That tribune is also stuck between 2 bigger ones, above and under. They were really treated as pariahs.
It’s really one of the most bizarre cases of discrimination I’ve ever heard. As the Wikipedia article states, quoting historian Graham Robb, “…the real ‘mystery of the Cagots’ was the fact that they had no distinguishing features at all. They spoke whatever dialect was spoken in the region and their family names were not peculiar to the Cagots…” My theory, based on absolutely no evidence, is that if “their only distinguishing feature was their descent from families identified as Cagots,” then something happened with those families, probably many generations before, and considered so horrible and so egregious that the populace considered it to be something akin to a family curse–“the Curse of the Cagots,” to be Chestertonian about it. What could it have been? My thought was that it could have been incest. If all the Cagots were related, far back, being seen as products of incest could have been enough to make them pariahs. Maybe there was more than one case in the family? That could have even worsened the situation. As I say, it’s based on no evidence. The reason was probably forgotten, and they were considered pestilential just because that was the way it had always been. But I can see incest as the reason, especially as the Cagots were considered to have been, or at least equal to, “…cretins, lepers, heretics, cannibals…” Wow, never heard of the Cagots before. It was noted that they were keen to immigrate to the new world. One can only believe that they quickly melted into society here. I wonder with all that ancestry DNA that is going on if traits of that group have been genetically identified and traced to the new world? |
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Post by mecano04 on Dec 12, 2018 18:10:03 GMT
While in Basque Country this year, I took a picture of the entrance the Cagots used to go to church back in the days. As you can see it’s nowhere near the main entrance nor the service entrance. It is isolated and only accessible from a back alley. It leads to a tribune only accessible from the stairs you see. That tribune is also stuck between 2 bigger ones, above and under. They were really treated as pariahs.
It’s really one of the most bizarre cases of discrimination I’ve ever heard. As the Wikipedia article states, quoting historian Graham Robb, “…the real ‘mystery of the Cagots’ was the fact that they had no distinguishing features at all. They spoke whatever dialect was spoken in the region and their family names were not peculiar to the Cagots…” My theory, based on absolutely no evidence, is that if “their only distinguishing feature was their descent from families identified as Cagots,” then something happened with those families, probably many generations before, and considered so horrible and so egregious that the populace considered it to be something akin to a family curse–“the Curse of the Cagots,” to be Chestertonian about it. What could it have been? My thought was that it could have been incest. If all the Cagots were related, far back, being seen as products of incest could have been enough to make them pariahs. Maybe there was more than one case in the family? That could have even worsened the situation. As I say, it’s based on no evidence. The reason was probably forgotten, and they were considered pestilential just because that was the way it had always been. But I can see incest as the reason, especially as the Cagots were considered to have been, or at least equal to, “…cretins, lepers, heretics, cannibals…” Based on what I have been told there is that they were some kind of gypsies that over time, through marriages for example, "melted" into the general population. They were somewhat like the Tutsi(s) in Rwanda.
At first they were a nomad (shepherds) ethnic group, moving through different countries in the region. Over time (see decades or centuries) they settled, and also through marriage, they somewhat became a social class more than a ethnic group. So 10 or 20 generations down the line, there might not be distinctive signs anymore but your origins still put you in that "caste".
Now, if you think about the time period and the locations in which they lived, they didn't have it easy because for The Church (capitals are on purpose) if you didn't fit the image it wanted to have, you were seen as the dregs of society. I'm not saying it was right but back then, it's how it was and that's how the Catholic Church worked for centuries, even here in Québec until we had the Quiet Revolution in the 1960.
I'll dig the french web later to find more.
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