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Post by NormanClature on Dec 16, 2018 13:15:05 GMT
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Post by havenless on Dec 18, 2018 23:08:40 GMT
Did you not see BvS? PiS is a staple of the DCEU.
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on Dec 18, 2018 23:29:19 GMT
Did you not see BvS? PiS is a staple of the DCEU. What’s PiS? Peeing in Snow? Pores in Skin? Poison in Snakes? Pines in Supers? Pigs in Spiderverse?
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Post by havenless on Dec 18, 2018 23:39:10 GMT
Did you not see BvS? PiS is a staple of the DCEU. What’s PiS? Peeing in Snow? Pores in Skin? Poison in Snakes? Pines in Supers? Pigs in Spiderverse? Comicbook speak. There are three levels of screw-ups to further a story once you get yourself into a corner: CiS is character-induced stupidity. When a character does something so out of character, but he has to do it for the story to work, like when Superman agrees that his father dying in a tornado is better than explaining to 8 people in an underpass why they can’t tell anyone what happened. Now WiS is when the writer specifically (or director in movie cases, maybe ‘creator’ is best term) goes away from his traditional story telling methods to essentially make a brain fart he could have easily worked himself around. An example of this may be when Christopher Nolan essentially embraced shoddy, even ghastly fight choreography in his second and third Batman films when there really isn’t any viable explanation as to why he’d okay this. Lack of budget? No time to fix it? Unlikely. Or maybe when they used the Knightmare scene in BvS with no intended payoff... but I guess we could create a sub-category of Producer-induced stupidity? But all the same. Finally, we have PiS, plot-induced stupidity. Not specifically connected to characterization and more poignant to the story than simple WiS (which technically everything is, but the differentiation is more to what type of WiS it is), this one involves a scenario where something has to happen for the story to continue, whether it be a flat out plot hole, or just dumb as hell. For instance, what exactly was the plan with Doomsday if Batman killed Superman with the Kryptonite Lex knew Batman had? The idea from the writer/director was that it doesn’t really matter. Whether or not that’s acceptable, it is PiS. Some people can inexplicably breathe out of water when it’s explained their species isn’t able to? PiS.
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on Dec 18, 2018 23:43:24 GMT
Thanks! Very thorough. Read tons of comics; Somehow haven’t heard those abbreviations.
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Post by havenless on Dec 18, 2018 23:45:06 GMT
Thanks! Very thorough. Read tons of comics; Somehow haven’t heard those abbreviations. More for comic book debating, like “can anyone explain why Superman is pulling a planet in this panel but can’t punch through a steel wall in this one?!” Because the plot demands it.
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 19, 2018 0:56:46 GMT
Pretty much what havenless said. PIS. DC movies (not just DCEU) use a ton of it. The MCU does too though are usually better at hiding it.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 19, 2018 2:35:13 GMT
It's true that they didn't get into "how". But Mera does mention it in the movie. So Its not an oversight or an error. Something about the royal lineage being able to I think she said?
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Post by NormanClature on Dec 19, 2018 12:59:56 GMT
It's true that they didn't get into "how". But Mera does mention it in the movie. So Its not an oversight or an error. Something about the royal lineage being able to I think she said? I don't recall her saying that, it must have been when I was checking my watch . Vulko isn't royalty anyway, he is an adviser.
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Post by scabab on Dec 19, 2018 20:37:12 GMT
Yeah they said in the movie that those who were High Born could breathe on land and in the water.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 19, 2018 20:42:42 GMT
^ Just like in real life. What a nice allegory.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 20, 2018 23:17:51 GMT
Yeah they said in the movie that those who were High Born could breathe on land and in the water. So this thread is more a result of someone's ignorance instead of an actual error. Cool.
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Post by NormanClature on Dec 21, 2018 0:57:58 GMT
Yeah they said in the movie that those who were High Born could breathe on land and in the water. So this thread is more a result of someone's ignorance instead of an actual error. Cool. I will eagerly await your explanation as to how highborn Atlanteans can breathe on land while other Atlanteans cannot.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 21, 2018 1:00:45 GMT
So this thread is more a result of someone's ignorance instead of an actual error. Cool. I will eagerly await your explanation as to how highborn Atlanteans can breathe on land while other Atlanteans cannot. No you don't.
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Post by NormanClature on Dec 21, 2018 1:10:07 GMT
I will eagerly await your explanation as to how highborn Atlanteans can breathe on land while other Atlanteans cannot. No you don't. No, I really do. It's always good to learn something new. So, what's the answer?
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Post by havenless on Dec 21, 2018 3:07:04 GMT
No, I really do. It's always good to learn something new. So, what's the answer? They can give an explanations as to why something is and still have it as PiS. If one group can breathe in a specific atmosphere and another group can’t, they’re not different aristocracies, they’re a different species altogether. They’re as different from Atlantean as Atlanteans are from humans.
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Post by NormanClature on Dec 21, 2018 9:46:41 GMT
No, I really do. It's always good to learn something new. So, what's the answer? They can give an explanations as to why something is and still have it as PiS. If one group can breathe in a specific atmosphere and another group can’t, they’re not different aristocracies, they’re a different species altogether. They’re as different from Atlantean as Atlanteans are from humans. That's kind of what I was thinking but I'm sure Politicidal has the answer for us. I can't imagine he would take time out of his busy posting schedule to label people ignorant for not knowing if he doesn't actually know himself.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 22, 2018 0:10:25 GMT
They can give an explanations as to why something is and still have it as PiS. If one group can breathe in a specific atmosphere and another group can’t, they’re not different aristocracies, they’re a different species altogether. They’re as different from Atlantean as Atlanteans are from humans. That's kind of what I was thinking but I'm sure Politicidal has the answer for us. I can't imagine he would take time out of his busy posting schedule to label people ignorant for not knowing if he doesn't actually know himself. Well, Aquaman is half human... can't speak for the rest of the gang.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 3:08:55 GMT
Yeah they said in the movie that those who were High Born could breathe on land and in the water.
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Post by leesilm on Dec 22, 2018 6:17:25 GMT
I am NOT an expert on Aquaman/etc., I was always a Batman & Wonder Woman nerd when it came to DC but.... if I had to venture a guess on the High Borns breathing air/water while others. Or multiples guesses.
1.Royal breeding: Many nobles being the 3rd sons/2nd daughters/etc. of the direct royal line, so they get married off to other nobles, creating these Royal Cousins as far as blood is concerned while their actual rank may be Viscount or Countess. But the royals that are direct, might not always marry within the kingdom (or species, in this case) and may marry outsiders for the purpose to trade/treaties, so a King's first born son is married to the 3rd daughter of a non-Atlantian, and their children are like Aquaman. But those children all marry Atlantians, and their children marry Atlantians, and so on. But that gene is still in there, especially if you have these Royal Cousins sometimes marrying other Royal Cousins, so they get a double-dose of this old gene.
2.Genetic manipulation, in the distant past, to make the Leadership Class able to go outside the ocean to deal with other kingdoms. So if you had the bad guys like Steppenwolf, showing up to nuke the whole planet - these people who are able to breathe air, can team up with the Amazons & co. to defeat the Big Bad before it fully invades the seas.
3.Perhaps, way back when, there were some Atlantians who had the genetic oops that allowed them to breathe air, while others did not (think that first monkey with an opposable thumb), and so it was decided because they could venture on land to make treaties or scoop up resources, that those who could breathe in both were advanced to higher positions like General and/or King, while the others were left to be the rank and file.
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