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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 19, 2018 1:34:09 GMT
Be honest now. How would anyone do a thread on this topic without a video? Video, or it didn't happen, right? There are several clone malfunction videos on YouTube but Sherry Shriner has the best one I've watched so far. Ordinarily I would say, "Enjoy," but this really isn't enjoyable material. I'll be back later with any Bible verses I can find which might have a relevance to human cloning.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 1:17:20 GMT
What a bizarre video. For one, the person who made it doesn't seem to know what a "clone" is. Which seems like a necessary first step in making videos about them.
I know this is pearls before swine and all, but a clone is a perfectly natural and normal thing. Identical twins are clones of one another. And I don't mean that word in the generic "they're just like one another" way, I mean identical twins are quite literally clones, and they are alike in all the ways that artificial clones would be alike, and different in all the ways artificial clones are different. Identical twins don't walk around with one of them "malfunctioning" or anything.
And he takes people getting dizzy, overwhelmed, or fainting to be a sign that somebody is some kind of flawed artificial person? Rather than just something people do from time to time, especially when standing for significant periods, or in a hot place, or standing after sitting for a long time and facing an emotionally demanding situation... you know, like when you're stood up at a political rally, standing under hot TV lighting in restrictive clothing, or you're in an audience and you stand up to talk to the guy everyone's there to see.
In short, this is stupid garbage.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 21, 2018 18:02:50 GMT
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Post by faustus5 on Dec 21, 2018 18:25:20 GMT
Has nothing to do with cloning, ignorant fuckwit. They didn't even have a concept of a clone or of genes back then.
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Post by general313 on Dec 21, 2018 18:27:01 GMT
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Post by politicidal on Dec 21, 2018 18:28:57 GMT
This the same Sherry Shriner? She has a vivid imagination...and blood on her hands.
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Two followers of a cult-like group have died of apparent suicide in the past five years, but their former leader Sherry Shriner says they were murdered by the U.S. government.
On July 15, Steve Mineo allegedly asked his girlfriend to shoot him in the head. Mineo, 32, had been having issues with Shriner’s cult that believes in reptilian aliens, his girlfriend told police when they arrived. Five years earlier, another follower of Shriner, 22-year-old Kelly Pingilley, died after swallowing 30 sleeping pills.
In both cases, Shriner says shadowy forces were responsible. For instance, NATO killed Pingilley because she believed in the god “Yahuah.”
Shriner preaches online from Ohio that the world is being taken over by reptile aliens; that a superpowered substance called orgone can destroy demons, clones, and zombies; that Jesus is actually Satan and that only followers of the god Yahuah will go to heaven. But for all their talk of end-times salvation, it’s their members who keep dying young.
“Sherry Shriner basically runs a death cult based on fear,” Pingilley’s brother Nate told The Daily Beast. “There’s always something major that’s going to happen every month. She tells her followers that the world is ending, basically… Planet X is coming and Planet X is gonna crash into Earth, or minotaurs are gonna jump from the surface of Planet X. These are all literal things Kelly told me were gonna happen.”
These apocalyptic visions seemed out of character for Pingilley, a Lutheran former cheerleader in suburban Detroit. She was a “sweet soul” who, when she observed an old man struggling to cut his steak in a restaurant, got up and cut it for him, Nate said.
Shriner also has stories about Pingilley. They met when Pingilley was 19 or 20, Shriner says, when Pingilley “was struggling with the choice of going to college or spending what time we have left on this for earth, for Yah and doing things He needed done as we headed into the Last Days.”
Pingilley, always a helper, started working as a transcriber for Shriner’s radio show Aliens in the News.
Pingilley also joined Shriner and her followers on “missions” to New York and Kentucky, where the group believed they were battling the New World Order. At Fort Knox, Pingilley claimed she helped liberate a group of “beautiful turtle people” from a government prison, Shriner claimed. In New York City, Pingilley joined her on a hunt for a government base “that extended all the way over to the Bronx and had tunnels extended out to everywhere, even midtown and Times Square, NY.” Shriner said the god Yahuah made her followers invisible for the mission, and that New York City would now be “on the bottom of the Atlantic” if not for their efforts. On her blog, Pingilley described her new beliefs as a reawakening. “A little over a year ago,” she wrote in her first post in January 2011, “I ‘woke up’ again—spiritually—the way I had been when I was a kid.” But her excitement appeared to sour over the next two years. Her writings became increasingly untethered from reality, and she wrote of visions and voices—perhaps the symptoms of undiagnosed schizophrenia, her brother suggested. One week before her death in December 2012, Pingilley said the apocalypse was near. Yahuah had shown her a strange symbol, which foretold invasion by an alien race that would eat and enslave humans, she wrote. On the night of Dec. 28, she left a note on her pillow and drove off to a snowy wildlife park with a bottle of sleeping pills to kill herself. “Shriner fills people’s heads with delusions of grandeur… tells them they’re really angels with magic powers in human form,” Nate said. “Part of why my sister killed herself was to reach that next level of spirituality. She was convinced in her suicide note that she was off to fulfill some great destiny.” When hunters found her body in the park the following morning, she was wearing a necklace with a pendant of orgone, the supposedly supernatural substance central to Shriner’s teachings. A photograph of Pingilley before her death shows her wearing an orgone pendant that Shriner currently sells on her website for $44, plus shipping. “Kelly didn’t hitch a ride on a spaceship. She didn’t die peacefully,” Debra McCorkle, a family friend told the Detroit News after Pingilley’s death. “It was a cold and silent death alone in the woods. She was looking for God and Shriner steered her into some weird crap.” Shriner disagrees, saying a “NATO death squad” murdered the troubled young woman. “Kelly just pissed people off because she was supposed to kill me 3 months earlier on a trip to NYC with me and she refused to kill me,” Shriner told The Daily Beast, adding that the alleged murder orders came from “the White House… I was #2 on Obama’s death list for 8 years… she was coming to my house before we headed to NYC… she was supposed to kill me when she got here so the trip would never happen.” On one of her follower’s blogs, Shriner spun Pingilley’s death into a conspiracy theory of its own. “She didn’t give up without a fight and they left all the fake evidence… NATO is involved.” Shriner wrote in the days after Pingilley’s death. Shriner turned the tragedy into a rallying cry for her surviving followers. “Obama is on the march folks, if you’re not with him and the Alien New Age you’re against them,” she warned in the dark eulogy. “They have their lists, and they’re going to work on them… Kelly’s death is a wake up call that they are after Yah’s people.” Shriner posted the eulogy on Truth Seeker Blog, a website run by her follower Steve Mineo. And four and a half years after Pingilley’s death, Mineo finally did heed a wakeup call: He denounced Shriner and set out to debunk her teachings. Mineo had been a Shriner disciple since 2004, he said in one of his YouTube videos. But he and the self-proclaimed prophetess had a falling-out in May, after Shriner accused Mineo’s girlfriend of being a “reptilian” for eating raw steak. After weeks of infighting, Mineo and his girlfriend broke from Shriner’s circles and Mineo began making long videos about his former leader. From May 29 to July 11, Mineo uploaded five videos attempting to “expose” Shriner. Then on July 15, he was murdered. His girlfriend, who had also been involved in the alleged cult, called 911 immediately after shooting him in the forehead in their apartment in Tobyhanna, Pennsylvania. She told police that Mineo was “undergoing a lot of stress through problems with cult,” and that he asked her to kill him, according to a police report.
The report suggested that Mineo had been killed with the gun placed directly on the forehead, and that he did not appear to have struggled.
Mineo did not appear to know Pingilley directly, but he knew she died.
He talked about Pingilley’s death during an interview with another Shriner cast-out named Richard Brown.
“I’m not trying to get vengeance, I’m just trying to get the truth out, man,” Mineo tells Brown in a YouTube video uploaded weeks before Mineo’s death. “Because I can see the damage she causes people. I heard a woman named Kelly killed herself.”
Brown tells Mineo to be patient. “All things happen in the Lord’s time,” Brown says. “You can’t intervene in what he’s got planned for [Shriner]. Because if somebody else gets hurt the way Kelly got hurt, [Shriner’s] gonna pay for it big time.”
Both men said Shriner and her followers had victimized them when they took a step away from the alleged cult. Brown said Shriner accused him of being a clone, or of having gone to hell.
“If I was a clone, or if I was in Hell, why is it that I made a video about orgone all around me?” Brown said of the supernatural substance, which supposedly destroys clones. “I’ve got tons of orgone all around me. She lied and said I told her to get rid of her orgone. I never said that. I actually went to her house and rebuilt her orgone stonehedge.”
Mineo said Shriner accused his girlfriend of being a reptilian or a witch, and that her followers turned against him.
“She runs her circle with an iron fist,” Laurie Alexander, one of Mineo’s friends told The Daily Beast. “Because if you do not believe in what she’s teaching, she’s like, that’s fine. But you’re at risk of not going to heaven if you don’t believe what I’m saying.”
After Mineo’s death, Alexander spoke out against Shriner on Facebook, calling her “Lizard Laurie” and implicating her in Pingilley’s suicide.
“Now I’m the reptilian,” Alexander said. “She’s going to have to get a new mode of attack, because this one’s getting old very quickly.”
Shriner says the allegations against her—that she’s a cult leader, that her followers are dying of suicide—are government conspiracies.
“They tried to use [Pingilley’s] murder to claim it was a suicide and then blame it on me..to smear me,” she told The Daily Beast, adding “they” made Mineo’s girlfriend a pawn. “Both gov psyops to try and smear me. I’ve been at this a long time, they can shove their psyops up their arses.”
Shriner appears to be weathering the second death exactly as the first. Shortly after Mineo’s death, Shriner uploaded a video calling his girlfriend a vampire who “morphed her huge teeth out” before killing him. A Shriner follower made a video playing Mineo’s most recent YouTube upload backwards. The garbled backwards speech sounded like “gonna serve the devil,” the follower claimed.
And Shriner still appears to be making money from her ministry. In addition to selling orgone for as much as $288 on her website, Shriner also solicits donations. A GoFundMe page says Shriner has pulled in more than $126,000 over the past three years. The donations have not slowed since Mineo’s death. If anything, they’ve become more frequent.
Kelly Pingilley’s brother said he doesn’t know why, after two deaths and countless failed prophesies, people are still following Shriner.
“You’d think every time one of her predictions doesn’t come true, she’d lose followers, but that doesn’t seem to be the case,” Nate said. “If I had to say something of encouragement to people, it would be to tell them, look around you: The world isn’t ending.”
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 21, 2018 18:34:23 GMT
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 21, 2018 18:51:45 GMT
Has nothing to do with cloning, ignorant fuckwit. They didn't even have a concept of a clone or of genes back then. No, trash, you're obfuscating. The gist of it is that a human clone cannot have a human soul. Since trash like you are doing their best to convince humans they have no souls, you really have nothing worthwhile to say on this thread, or on this board for that matter.
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Post by faustus5 on Dec 21, 2018 19:06:23 GMT
No, trash, you're obfuscating. The gist of it is that a human clone cannot have a human soul. Since trash like you are doing their best to convince humans they have no souls, you really have nothing worthwhile to say on this thread, or on this board for that matter. No the gist isn't that a human clone cannot have a human soul, because nothing you quoted even mentions clones and no one who wrote that garbage knew what a clone was. So of all the identical twins you've met, shit for brains, which ones were missing a soul--because identical twins ARE FUCKING CLONES. The ones on the left? Both? What should be the legal consequences of them lacking souls, hmmm?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 21, 2018 19:14:47 GMT
born No, trash, you're obfuscating. The gist of it is that a human clone cannot have a human soul. Since trash like you are doing their best to convince humans they have no souls, you really have nothing worthwhile to say on this thread, or on this board for that matter. No the gist isn't that a human clone cannot have a human soul, because nothing you quoted even mentions clones and no one who wrote that garbage knew what a clone was. So of all the identical twins you've met, shit for brains, which ones were missing a soul--because identical twins ARE FUCKING CLONES. The ones on the left? Both? What should be the legal consequences of them lacking souls, hmmm? It still applies, whether the word clone was in existence or not. Identical twins born in the natural way have a mother and a father. A clone has no mother and father. It's just a Xerox of someone who was already born in the natural way. You certainly must have known that when you typed your reply. You were simply in the hopes that those reading it would assume you knew what you were talking about. And the legal consequences have been debated for years, as have the legal consequences of AI. You certainly must know that too. It isn't as if the thought occurred to you and you alone just a few minutes ago.
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Post by faustus5 on Dec 21, 2018 19:35:07 GMT
It still applies, whether the word clone was in existence or not. Identical twins born in the natural way have a mother and a father. A clone has no mother and father. It's just a Xerox of someone who was already born in the natural way. You certainly must have known that when you typed your reply. You were simply in the hopes that those reading it would assume you knew what you were talking about. And the legal consequences have been debated for years, as have the legal consequences of AI. You certainly must know that too. It isn't as if the thought occurred to you and you alone just a few minutes ago. Your garbage citations still don't say what you hallucinated they said. Now go chug another beer and continue being completely useless.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 21, 2018 19:40:56 GMT
It still applies, whether the word clone was in existence or not. Identical twins born in the natural way have a mother and a father. A clone has no mother and father. It's just a Xerox of someone who was already born in the natural way. You certainly must have known that when you typed your reply. You were simply in the hopes that those reading it would assume you knew what you were talking about. And the legal consequences have been debated for years, as have the legal consequences of AI. You certainly must know that too. It isn't as if the thought occurred to you and you alone just a few minutes ago. Your garbage citations still don't say what you hallucinated they said. Now go chug another beer and continue being completely useless. Useless for whom, sir? My threads are looked upon with interest by tens (perhaps even hundreds) of people worldwide. These people can read them along with your misfit ramblings and decide which of the two makes more sense to them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 12:02:21 GMT
The gist of it is that a human clone cannot have a human soul. You think identical twins don't have souls? That's weird even for you. Of course they do. What a stupid thing to say!
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 27, 2018 18:44:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 0:58:34 GMT
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Post by goz on Dec 28, 2018 1:10:03 GMT
You know how I have always thought that some of the really stupid posters on here such as Erjenious, Drystyx and Heeeeey COULDN'T be that stupid? This, and some of Heeeey's recent posting just reconfirms that they are indeed some of the stupidest people on the planet who can still use a computer.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 28, 2018 1:16:16 GMT
You know how I have always thought that some of the really stupid posters on here such as Erjenious, Drystyx and Heeeeey COULDN'T be that stupid? This, and some of Heeeey's recent posting just reconfirms that they are indeed some of the stupidest people on the planet who can still use a computer. Screw you, goz.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 1:49:42 GMT
You know how I have always thought that some of the really stupid posters on here such as Erjenious, Drystyx and Heeeeey COULDN'T be that stupid? This, and some of Heeeey's recent posting just reconfirms that they are indeed some of the stupidest people on the planet who can still use a computer. Never underestimate the power of Human ignorance and stupidity. Especially when dealing with the likes of Erjen, who has justly earned his title of The Most Gullible Man in the World. Though to be clear - ignorance and stupidity are not flaws in and of themselves. When I used to teach, I had a lot of respect for stupid kids who nevertheless tried their hardest and did their best to learn what they could. What I look down on are those who are deliberately ignorant and reject anything that would reduce that ignorance, because they want to believe in stupid things and so reflexively refuse anything that would prevent it. That's contemptible and at least borderline evil, IMO.
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Post by goz on Dec 28, 2018 3:16:24 GMT
You know how I have always thought that some of the really stupid posters on here such as Erjenious, Drystyx and Heeeeey COULDN'T be that stupid? This, and some of Heeeey's recent posting just reconfirms that they are indeed some of the stupidest people on the planet who can still use a computer. Never underestimate the power of Human ignorance and stupidity. Especially when dealing with the likes of Erjen, who has justly earned his title of The Most Gullible Man in the World. Though to be clear - ignorance and stupidity are not flaws in and of themselves. When I used to teach, I had a lot of respect for stupid kids who nevertheless tried their hardest and did their best to learn what they could. What I look down on are those who are deliberately ignorant and reject anything that would reduce that ignorance, because they want to believe in stupid things and so reflexively refuse anything that would prevent it. That's contemptible and at least borderline evil, IMO. Yes. I call it 'wilful ignorance' and it is really something I cannot understand when there is such access to information in this modern day and age. I cannot understand that on subjects he clings to ( and there are many in conspiracy theory world) when there are plausible, relatively simple scientific explanations that even a fairly stupid person could understand, and he.they reject knowledge. The whole chemtrail thing is a perfect example for him and Heeeeey has recently exhibited similar behaviour in her quasi scientific bog standard scientifically illiterate mistakes. To me it actually beggars belief and as you say, is borderline evil. I feel like this about ANYONE who supports Trump. It is anti-intellectual, grossly immoral, and evil in its manifestations of racism bigotry and myopic selfishness and meanness.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 28, 2018 3:29:15 GMT
Never underestimate the power of Human ignorance and stupidity. Especially when dealing with the likes of Erjen, who has justly earned his title of The Most Gullible Man in the World. Though to be clear - ignorance and stupidity are not flaws in and of themselves. When I used to teach, I had a lot of respect for stupid kids who nevertheless tried their hardest and did their best to learn what they could. What I look down on are those who are deliberately ignorant and reject anything that would reduce that ignorance, because they want to believe in stupid things and so reflexively refuse anything that would prevent it. That's contemptible and at least borderline evil, IMO. Yes. I call it 'wilful ignorance' and it is really something I cannot understand when there is such access to information in this modern day and age. I cannot understand that on subjects he clings to ( and there are many in conspiracy theory world) when there are plausible, relatively simple scientific explanations that even a fairly stupid person could understand, and he.they reject knowledge. The whole chemtrail thing is a perfect example for him and Heeeeey has recently exhibited similar behaviour in her quasi scientific bog standard scientifically illiterate mistakes. To me it actually beggars belief and as you say, is borderline evil. I feel like this about ANYONE who supports Trump. It is anti-intellectual, grossly immoral, and evil in its manifestations of racism bigotry and myopic selfishness and meanness. Good thing I don't support Trump then.
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