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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 21, 2019 9:34:10 GMT
Man of Steel definitely has a bad reputation among some people. I wasn't a huge fan but I respected it, and it's lightyears better than BVS and JL. Which just goes to show you that the studios had it wrong trying to change Snyder's vision.
I'd probably put it second to Wonder Woman. I'll just never be able to forgive it for the Jonathan Kent death scene. It reminded me of the scene in The Avengers when Banner talks about trying to kill himself. They were both taking on serious subject matter in an absolutely out of the blue and silly way. I just felt the writers for MOS were good enough to have come up with ANY other way for him to have died and for them to have conveyed the same emotions, but it felt like they just threw in the first idea they had. I also hated that part of his death was so Clark wouldn't have to reveal his powers, but then later in the movie he risks that by getting petty revenge on some trucker by impaling his truck on a lamppost.
Honestly, if it were up to me, I'd watch MOS as a full trilogy. Each movie essentially being all three acts extended into their own films. One being Krypton, the other with Clark travelling the world trying to find himself, and the third being his battle with Zod and his transformation into Superman. But what the hell do I know?
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 21, 2019 16:56:25 GMT
the best DCEU film. I know most would say Wonder Woman and I would have too easily when it first came out, but after tons of rewatches, I just find MOS more entertaining. I know it is not perfect, but the opening in Krypton was very well done and Cavill played a very good Superman IMO. You're not crazy. MOS has a lot of good things about it and its not nearly as bad a movie as others have made it out to be. Its hardly the total piece of shit that some assholes say it is. Its not perfect and I never claimed it was. But its not the utter dreck that some claim it is.
The Krypton stuff alone is amazing, and its the first movie in which we see Superman really BE Superman, with all his powers on display.
Is the movie a little... cold? Yeah. Does the movie go over the top with the destruction? Sure. But does the movie have a story and give us one of the best on-screen Supermen we've ever seen? Yes!
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Post by leesilm on Jan 21, 2019 19:33:58 GMT
Agreed. Also the complaints about Metropolis being practically obliterated made no sense to me. These two guys (with the addition of two sidekicks on the antagonist side) are equally as powerful and being angry at each other is gonna make them cause at least a bit of damage, if not a lot. Look at blockbusters nowadays, including superheroes. The Avengers weren’t able to take care of New York the best possible way, but they got the job done. Same with here. Those complaints made no sense to me either! Clark wasn't even technically Superman yet. He was a young inexperienced god facing off against three of his own kind, who not only have his powerset, but are his elders AND trained Kryptonian soldiers. The idea that he could take that on alone without significant consequences is absolutely unrealistic. OT: It's the same reason I don't get some of the SM:HC criticisms about Iron Man always having to come "save" Peter. He was a teenage superhero trying to prove himself. Of course he was going to make mistakes! I have also pointed this out. One of my best friends in the world, a huge Superman fan in general, hated MoS because of the wreckage of Metropolis. He would go on and on about how Superman wouldn't allow that. I kept trying to point out that Clark was NEVER allowed to fight back. He had no experience with fighting, with defending himself, I doubt he even knew how to throw a proper punch. Then, he has his mind invaded, he has the whole Kryptonian atmosphere thing happen, and BAM, now he has to fight experienced, trained, genetically-determined for the job, soldiers. And mind you, the people he's fighting have NOTHING TO LOSE. They don't care about the death toll. So you've got Clark, who has never been in a real fight before, who has had his head scrambled by machines of an alien world, and more - going against guys who were picked out for the job of fighting, bred for it, trained practically from birth for it, and had years of experience in warfare. That alone meant he was way out of his depth. That's like The Flash trying to fight Doomsday by himself, level out of your depth. I think that people don't really stop to think about that. How much Clark was really up against when this happens. And when he fights Zod, he's also just had the whole thing where he killed the machine that was TERRAFORMING AND DESTROYING THE ENTIRE PLANET with energy that could very easily tear him apart since he's Kryptonian. He wasn't exactly in peak condition. And let's not forget, how often do you think Clark felt physical pain? I mean, aside from the laser eye thing, how often did he really hurt once he became an adult? Suddenly, here's a guy punching him and able to leave bruises, to split Clark's lip. Meanwhile Zod had a whole life where he felt pain, so getting hit by Clark wasn't such a big throw-off for him, he'd be accustomed to pain. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 5:19:20 GMT
I actually think MoS is overrated. I consider it to be a monumental disaster of a movie that failed in every possible way. It is disrespectful of the source material, it looks terrible and it ruined the character to the point where he may never get another solo movie again. Not to mention that it basically stole everything from the classic Superman movies and did them much, much worse.
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Post by Nalkarj on Jan 26, 2019 6:08:59 GMT
Coinkydink… I’m looking at Man of Steel right now—it’s way too late for me to watch the whole thing, but I’m just glimpsing at it to see if it’s the way I remember it. So far (we’re still on a horrendous-looking Krypton and watching a boring Russell Crowe in the same performance he did for Noah, another awful movie), yes.
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Post by Nalkarj on Jan 26, 2019 6:15:45 GMT
Yeah… Somehow the Krypton stuff is about as boring as Black Panther—except for Michael Shannon’s ridiculously (or gloriously?) hammy overacting, that is.
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Post by Nalkarj on Jan 26, 2019 6:25:57 GMT
This scene where young Clark uses his laser vision to blast the doorknob and burn the teacher is probably where Gunn got the idea for his new Superman horror movie from. (Sorry, didn’t mean to turn this into a play-by-play. I’ll shut up now.)
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Post by Nalkarj on Jan 27, 2019 0:50:28 GMT
I finished the rewatch. Long story short, I still think it stinks. Sorry.
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Post by leesilm on Jan 27, 2019 2:05:56 GMT
I'm still waiting for a prequel with Russell C. as Kal-El, and getting to see the final decades of Krypton.
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