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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 18:04:22 GMT
MoS through JL will flesh out the world of the DCEU. MoS introduced Superman. BvS introduced Batman and set up the idea that other metahumans were out there. SS gave us an idea of what kinds of metahumans exist in this world. WW shows us the history of some of these metahumans. And JL brings it all together.
Following JL, DC could be in a place where they can truly give us the filmmaker-driven approach that they've talked about for so long. Now the the world is established, they can let good directors come in to tell whatever stories they wanna tell. There isn't some big crossover event that everything is building to. Instead, you'll just get a series of standalone projects (or trilogies) that are set in this world. The only "rule" is that you can't contradict what came before without explaining it.
So Matt Reeves gets to make whatever Batman movies he wants to make that are set in this world. Matthew Vaughn gets do what whatever Superman stories that he wants to do. Same goes for Joss Whedon and Batgirl, and James Wan and Aquaman. The world is now open, so directors can have at it.
The same applies to the next JL movie. If someone has a cool JL story that they wanna tackle, they can go ahead and make it (again, so long as they're not contradicting anything).
With this approach, all you'd need is a "keeper of the continuity" (Geoff Johns, perhaps). It's kinda like what Lucasfilm is doing with Star Wars. They have a story group whose job is to simply make sure things don't contradict each other. Other than that, creators can create. Go ahead and tell your story.
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Post by brownstones on Mar 30, 2017 18:21:28 GMT
I think that's a bit optimistic, but they do seem to be aiming for massive names who probably have a bit more sway.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 18:32:20 GMT
I think that's a bit optimistic, but they do seem to be aiming for massive names who probably have a bit more sway. It's more based on the fact that they have given us no indication that they're building toward another crossover event after JL comes out. So it's not going to be like Marvel, where you get a bunch of "phases" that culminate in a big crossover movie. Instead, you get a bunch of standalone movies/trilogies that are all set within the same universe. And when the crossover movies DO happen, it'll be because a director has a cool idea for one. |
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Post by brownstones on Mar 30, 2017 18:35:10 GMT
I think that's a bit optimistic, but they do seem to be aiming for massive names who probably have a bit more sway. It's more based on the fact that they have given us no indication that they're building toward another crossover event after JL comes out. So it's not going to be like Marvel, where you get a bunch of "phases" that culminate in a big crossover movie. Instead, you get a bunch of standalone movies/trilogies that are all set within the same universe. And when the crossover movies DO happen, it'll be because a director has a cool idea for one. well there's that distant JL2 which may or may not happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 18:36:38 GMT
It's more based on the fact that they have given us no indication that they're building toward another crossover event after JL comes out. So it's not going to be like Marvel, where you get a bunch of "phases" that culminate in a big crossover movie. Instead, you get a bunch of standalone movies/trilogies that are all set within the same universe. And when the crossover movies DO happen, it'll be because a director has a cool idea for one. well there's that distant JL2 which may or may not happen. I don't think it'll happen until a director comes along with a good idea for the movie. |
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Post by politicidal on Mar 30, 2017 21:18:28 GMT
That would seem the ideal approach. We'll see.
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Post by chatterer on Mar 31, 2017 0:49:54 GMT
Once all Easter eggs are revealed when JL is released. We might have more info about possible storylines for the solo films. That's definitley the way it looks like it's going. Solo film driven.
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Post by barcode on Mar 31, 2017 16:23:41 GMT
MoS through JL will flesh out the world of the DCEU. MoS introduced Superman. BvS introduced Batman and set up the idea that other metahumans were out there. SS gave us an idea of what kinds of metahumans exist in this world. WW shows us the history of some of these metahumans. And JL brings it all together. Following JL, DC could be in a place where they can truly give us the filmmaker-driven approach that they've talked about for so long. Now the the world is established, they can let good directors come in to tell whatever stories they wanna tell. There isn't some big crossover event that everything is building to. Instead, you'll just get a series of standalone projects (or trilogies) that are set in this world. The only "rule" is that you can't contradict what came before without explaining it. So Matt Reeves gets to make whatever Batman movies he wants to make that are set in this world. Matthew Vaughn gets do what whatever Superman stories that he wants to do. Same goes for Joss Whedon and Batgirl, and James Wan and Aquaman. The world is now open, so directors can have at it. The same applies to the next JL movie. If someone has a cool JL story that they wanna tackle, they can go ahead and make it (again, so long as they're not contradicting anything). With this approach, all you'd need is a "keeper of the continuity" (Geoff Johns, perhaps). It's kinda like what Lucasfilm is doing with Star Wars. They have a story group whose job is to simply make sure things don't contradict each other. Other than that, creators can create. Go ahead and tell your story. This will be a good approach for future projects. But we all have plenty of doubts about the vision WB has for DCEU |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 31, 2017 23:06:51 GMT
I would be down with this vision for the post-JLA DCEU.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 1, 2017 14:29:21 GMT
But aren't they working toward Darkseid? Steppenwolf* isn't the be all for Apokolips.
I won't be surprised if they continue what they are doing and make less lit movies that Marvel already made in some sort of ironic backwards copying that Marvel did with the comics (MoS= Iron Man; BvS= IH, IM2 & Thor; WW=CA:FA; JL=TA*; SS=GotG). Expect to see announcements that they are making Deathstroke, Dr. Fate and the Atom soon.
*I mean, really, Steppenwolf is basically this movie's Loki.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 1, 2017 15:24:08 GMT
But aren't they working toward Darkseid? Steppenwolf* isn't the be all for Apokolips. I won't be surprised if they continue what they are doing and make less lit movies that Marvel already made in some sort of ironic backwards copying that Marvel did with the comics (MoS= Iron Man; BvS= IH, IM2 & Thor; WW=CA:FA; JL=TA*; SS=GotG). Expect to see announcements that they are making Deathstroke, Dr. Fate and the Atom soon. *I mean, really, Steppenwolf is basically this movie's Loki. Orm is a much closer comparison to Loki. Steppenwolf isn't related to any of the protagonists, and he works directly under Darkseid, as opposed to Loki, who has his own ambitions. Steppenwolf is more like the Other. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 1, 2017 16:40:28 GMT
But aren't they working toward Darkseid? Steppenwolf* isn't the be all for Apokolips. I won't be surprised if they continue what they are doing and make less lit movies that Marvel already made in some sort of ironic backwards copying that Marvel did with the comics (MoS= Iron Man; BvS= IH, IM2 & Thor; WW=CA:FA; JL=TA*; SS=GotG). Expect to see announcements that they are making Deathstroke, Dr. Fate and the Atom soon. *I mean, really, Steppenwolf is basically this movie's Loki. Orm is a much closer comparison to Loki. Steppenwolf isn't related to any of the protagonists, and he works directly under Darkseid, as opposed to Loki, who has his own ambitions. Steppenwolf is more like the Other. Without seeing it, what I'm saying is that Steppenwolf is leading an army of aliens against Earth that the team has to defeat. It's basically Avengers. Not saying it is Avengers, but at it's core they are using that to give people that bit of nostalgia to want to see it. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 1, 2017 16:56:48 GMT
Alien invasions aren't exactly exclusive to the MCU. Comics in general often use alien invasions as a way of making the stakes high enough for the heroes to have to team up to defeat it. The very first Justice League comic in the New 52 (which preceded The Avengers by nearly a year), also involved the heroes banding together to defeat Darkseid and his army of Parademons.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 1, 2017 20:10:35 GMT
In the comics, though. But couldn't they find another way besides it being an underling of DC's version of Thanos leading an alien army? You don't see that as a problem in addition to them constantly saying 'screw you!' to Marvel (Mamoa)? And with it being mother boxes that means portals... Also, they are recruiting before the invasion, because of the invasion. Most of the times when the Justice League get together it's because they are already fighting and the group(s) get bigger.
Also, "preceded The Avengers by nearly a year"? How long do you think it takes for them to make a movie. I'm sure they had the Avengers planned out more than a year before it was released.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 1, 2017 21:16:47 GMT
It would actually be far more accurate to say that Thanos is Marvel's version of Darkseid. Darkseid is one of the biggest villains in the DC universe. If they decided not to use him just because Marvel is using Thanos, it would severely limit their options.
Also, I never said that The Avengers was ripping off the New 52. Stop getting so defensive. I was merely pointing out that DC has already had a precedent for alien invasions in their stories we'll before the MCU.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 1, 2017 23:05:50 GMT
I'm not saying who came first. I was saying they are basically the same character in 2 different comic universes for the sake of comparison.
It's not about ripping off the other, but using what is popular to make theirs go easier because what they were doing wasn't working. And what I was saying is that they had more versions of how the Justice League got together than "universe killer's underling attacks Earth" to go by. They went for the one that is like Avengers. Hell, I like Justice League War better than all the DCEU movies and that's pretty much the same thing. Well, JLW had the main dude come to Earth and deal with things himself.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 1, 2017 23:40:41 GMT
The large-scale threats in comics are more often than not, aliens. What else could they have actually gone with for the movie? The Legion of Doom? I don't think they would make for a very viable threat for an entire movie. Suggesting that they should've gone with something other than aliens would severely limit their options.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 1, 2017 23:52:42 GMT
The large-scale threats in comics are more often than not, aliens. What else could they have actually gone with for the movie? The Legion of Doom? I don't think they would make for a very viable threat for an entire movie. Suggesting that they should've gone with something other than aliens would severely limit their options. Well, the Legion of Doom is basically the anti-Justice League. Get some of the strongest villains from each of the heroes and have them seemingly be random, but then are shown to actually be working together. Also, one villain could be a viable threat to that hero for an entire movie. So 5-6 villains should be enough to keep the Justice League busy. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 2, 2017 0:35:31 GMT
Having the anti-Justice League as the villains of the first Justice League movie doesn't make much sense to me. You don't introduce your superhero team by having them face a super villain team. How are the fight scenes even supposed to work in that context? Will each hero fight one respective member of the Legion of Doom? Why bother making them a team if they're going to be fighting separately anyway?
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