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Post by pimpinainteasy on Dec 26, 2018 11:04:41 GMT
THE QUIET MAN - a mere 66 years ago, hollywood was making films like this - about dowries, where women get dragged around but take it with a smile and go home and prepare steak dinners for their husbands. SOORAJ BHARJATYA should remake this and maybe set it in punjab or christian pala (kerala). im sure it would be a bigger hit than VEERE DI WEDDING.
i guess there are certain american films which even the most hardcore wannabe indian like me cannot understand. this is one of them. the only thing i could really appreciate was the beautiful scenery in technicolor which looked gorgeous in pristine bluray print. not all JOHN FORD films are for me, i guess.
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Post by mcavanaugh on Dec 26, 2018 18:27:43 GMT
Although I enjoy THE QUIET MAN I have to confess that this is not my favorite John Ford film. Like you, I love the Irish landscape and some of the humor. But in regards to your assessment of its role of women, I feel the need to point out that it was set in an earlier era in a country where (I assume) its portrayal of female roles was fairly accurate. That said, I know many people really love this one. And at least Ford got to shoot it in Ireland, unlike HOW GREEN WAS MY VALLEY, which he wanted desperately to shoot in Wales, but was forced by WW2 to shoot in the hills above Malibu, California. But, oh, he managed to do a great job with that one, in my opinion anyway! No, Spider, NOT accurate at all. My biggest problem with The Quiet Man is that it is filled with stereotypes of the Irish. Most Irishmen are not drunken brutes who would ever drag a woman across the countryside or treat her roughly. We tend to be loving and respectful of the women in our lives -- our wives, our mothers, our sisters, our daughters. Lord help any man who did abuse them -- he would be dealt with roughly.
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Post by spiderwort on Dec 26, 2018 21:28:12 GMT
Although I enjoy THE QUIET MAN I have to confess that this is not my favorite John Ford film. Like you, I love the Irish landscape and some of the humor. But in regards to your assessment of its role of women, I feel the need to point out that it was set in an earlier era in a country where (I assume) its portrayal of female roles was fairly accurate. That said, I know many people really love this one. And at least Ford got to shoot it in Ireland, unlike HOW GREEN WAS MY VALLEY, which he wanted desperately to shoot in Wales, but was forced by WW2 to shoot in the hills above Malibu, California. But, oh, he managed to do a great job with that one, in my opinion anyway! No, Spider, NOT accurate at all. My biggest problem with The Quiet Man is that it is filled with stereotypes of the Irish. Most Irishmen are not drunken brutes who would ever drag a woman across the countryside or treat her roughly. We tend to be loving and respectful of the women in our lives -- our wives, our mothers, our sisters, our daughters. Lord help any man who did abuse them -- he would be dealt with roughly. I agree with you 100% about the stereotypes in the film, Mick -- often a flaw in some of Ford's films. But please let me clarify what I was attempting to say: that women in Ireland in that period (I assumed) were much like women in America in that period -- generally speaking, they were expected to stay at home, be housekeepers and cooks, and take care of the children. In no way did I mean to imply, nor do I believe, that Irish men are normally abusive to women, anymore than I would say that about American men. I'm truly sorry if it came across that way.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 27, 2018 6:03:55 GMT
Honestly it’s a pretty looking slog for me. The scenery is nice and John Wayne was good. The rest is “meh” to “ugh”.
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Post by pimpinainteasy on Dec 27, 2018 8:57:00 GMT
Honestly it’s a pretty looking slog for me. The scenery is nice and John Wayne was good. The rest is “meh” to “ugh”. it was so much like a bollywood film.
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Post by OldAussie on Dec 27, 2018 10:21:29 GMT
It's one of those famous classics I've never been able to sit through. Yet I love a heap of other John Ford movies.
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Post by Lebowskidoo 🦞 on Dec 28, 2018 0:55:11 GMT
I watched it because of E.T. and because I love Maureen O'Hara, good movie, such a departure for John Wayne too.
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Post by pimpinainteasy on Dec 28, 2018 3:47:02 GMT
MAUREEN O HARA looked great. her show of thighs in this film must be the closest to any kind of female skin show in a JOHN WAYNE movie.
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Post by teleadm on Dec 28, 2018 17:48:15 GMT
Though it's over 30 years since I've seen it, back then I thought it was very funny comedy, never at all have I thought that it actually represented anything real from Ireland. I've seen it as a tall tale that was very well done and very funny.
The Quiet Man 1952 is as representative of the real Ireland as I'll Take Sweden 1965 is as representative of the real Sweden and is as representative as Hans Christian Andersen 1952 is of the real Denmark
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Jan 1, 2019 9:14:10 GMT
I have viewed The Quiet Man four times overall and three times in the theater (twice in April 2017 and once in March 2018). I find the film "very good," characterized by intoxicating locating shooting in Ireland, exquisite sexual tension between the John Wayne and Maureen O'Hara characters, and an insinuating score that at one point brilliantly manages to be both diegetic and non-diegetic.
I will note that the movie is more complex than one might imagine. The Quiet Man grants O'Hara's character quite a bit of agency—she is fiercely determined to receive her dowry, for it indicates that she is someone to be valued and respected. She also fights to preserve her dignity—frankly, she is a much stronger female character than most women in Hollywood films these days. The Wayne character, meanwhile, is haunted by his past as a boxer and reluctant to engage in violence, even if he ultimately succumbs.
I will also suggest that The Quiet Man is an "Old World" film as much as it is an American one.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Jan 1, 2019 9:21:31 GMT
THE QUIET MAN - a mere 66 years ago, hollywood was making films like this - about dowries, where women get dragged around but take it with a smile and go home and prepare steak dinners for their husbands. SOORAJ BHARJATYA should remake this and maybe set it in punjab or christian pala (kerala). im sure it would be a bigger hit than VEERE DI WEDDING. i guess there are certain american films which even the most hardcore wannabe indian like me cannot understand. this is one of them. the only thing i could really appreciate was the beautiful scenery in technicolor which looked gorgeous in pristine bluray print. not all JOHN FORD films are for me, i guess. (6/10) One could view The Quiet Man as both a "battle of the sexes" (as symbolized, of course, by the Wayne and O'Hara characters) and as a battle between "New World" (basically meaning American) and "Old World" values. Come to think of it, Wayne's performance is one of his more impressive ones, combining archetypal masculine vigor with—at times—restraint and hesitancy.
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Post by Seto on Jan 1, 2019 13:54:36 GMT
I very much enjoy this film.
The scenery looks gorgeous and who better than John Ford to film the incredible Irish landscape. Maureen O'Hara and John Wayne are tremendous actors with great chemistry, their scenes together sizzle. John Wayne's character has a great arc as well.
Yes with a modern lens, there are hints of sexism, but its clear that no one involved meant any harm by it.
On a side note I was recently in Ireland and visited the town where most of the movie was filmed. The town of 'Cong,' as its actually called, are very proud of of the film, and there's a cool statue of the two stars in the town centre.
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