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Post by mortsahlfan on Dec 27, 2018 17:30:10 GMT
Orson Welles? It took about 20 years before many considered "Citizen Kane" one of the greats.
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Post by James on Dec 27, 2018 17:32:06 GMT
Possibly Kubrick?
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Dec 27, 2018 17:41:16 GMT
Didn't Scorcese go like 40 years before winning an Oscar?
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Dec 27, 2018 17:42:21 GMT
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Dec 27, 2018 17:43:46 GMT
Didn't Scorcese go like 40 years before winning an Oscar? Finally won for The Departed. This is after Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, Goodfellas... |
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Post by mortsahlfan on Dec 27, 2018 17:52:04 GMT
Brando wanted to work with him, and Kubrick was going to direct "One-Eyed Jacks" until Brando decided to do it himself. Even in the late 50s, Kirk Douglas, probably the biggest star, worked with him on 2 pictures (Paths of Glory), and helped break the blacklist (Spartacus). |
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Dec 27, 2018 17:59:31 GMT
Lady in the Water - M. Night Shyamalan casts himself as writer whose work is not yet understood but will become a martyr and inspire a future U.S. President.
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Post by marianne48 on Dec 27, 2018 18:03:38 GMT
William Wellman was one of the great directors of his time, but he didn't seem to get the adoration others of his era received.
He retired in disgust after changes to his final film were demanded by the studio, and when his film Wings was nominated for Best Picture at the first Academy Awards, he wasn't even invited to the ceremony (it won).
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Post by Geddy on Dec 27, 2018 18:09:00 GMT
Howard Hawks: zero Oscars.
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Post by mortsahlfan on Dec 27, 2018 18:40:12 GMT
William Wyler is one who made a great movie in multiple decades, but was hardly ever mentioned despite past success, the 1965 "The Collector" - which is a favorite of mine, and a genre that's usually full of crap movies.
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Post by bravomailer on Dec 27, 2018 18:47:05 GMT
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Post by moviemouth on Dec 27, 2018 18:56:24 GMT
William Wyler is one who made a great movie in multiple decades, but was hardly ever mentioned despite past success, the 1965 "The Collector" - which is a favorite of mine, and a genre that's usually full of crap movies. I'd hardly say he was unappreciated in his time. His filmography had received the most Oscar nominations of any director, until Spielberg surpassed him a couple years ago. I'm pretty sure he is the only director to win 3 best directing Oscars. |
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Post by politicidal on Dec 27, 2018 19:00:43 GMT
Anthony Mann
Robert Aldrich
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Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 27, 2018 19:26:51 GMT
Ed Wood
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Post by Archelaus on Dec 27, 2018 19:30:10 GMT
Erich von Stroheim
Fritz Lang
Douglas Sirk. Particularly, his Hollywood melodramas films were box office successes, but he looked down on for his "women's pictures". He became more appreciated starting in the late 1960s.
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Post by flasuss on Dec 27, 2018 20:42:07 GMT
Orson Welles? It took about 20 years before many considered "Citizen Kane" one of the greats.
That's an exaggeration-Citizen Kane was acclaimed from the start: for example, the NYT critic said it was arguably the best movie Hollywood had made, it just was boycotted by Hearst, which is why it lost the Oscar and not that many people saw it at the time. Even then, while it didn't win the first Sight & Sound list of the greatest movies of all time, it missed the top 10 by only one vote.
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Post by mikef6 on Dec 27, 2018 20:50:24 GMT
Edgar Ulmer – although cult rather than newly appreciated might be a better description. Beginning as early as 1934, he directed the masterful Art Deco Satan worship horror film “The Black Cat.” His 1945 low budget “Detour” is he very definition of film noir and even when assigned drive-in second feature fare like “The Man From Planet X” (1951) and “The Amazing Transparent Man” (1960), you can recognize experience and intelligence behind the proceedings. Orson Welles is also a good choice for this thread but, Oscars notwithstanding, the likes of Kubrick and Scorsese have been talked and written about and studied by film scholars from the beginnings of their careers. Just the fact that Oscar felt obliged to give Scorsese a “make-up” Oscar for one of his laziest works – a scene for scene remake of a Chinese crime film – is an indication of how long they and the public had appreciated him, yet not awarded him. Detour  |
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Post by sostie on Dec 27, 2018 20:55:07 GMT
Maybe in the States for a while. I know he was embraced by UK and France as soon as Assault On Precinct 13 was released. |
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Post by mortsahlfan on Dec 27, 2018 21:03:50 GMT
Orson Welles? It took about 20 years before many considered "Citizen Kane" one of the greats.
That's an exaggeration-Citizen Kane was acclaimed from the start: for example, the NYT critic said it was arguably the best movie Hollywood had made, it just was boycotted by Hearst, which is why it lost the Oscar and not that many people saw it at the time. Even then, while it didn't win the first Sight & Sound list of the greatest movies of all time, it missed the top 10 by only one vote.
Exactly, it was boycotted, but there are other ways outside a Hearst newspaper. Someone gave an example of 3-4 good reviews, but for each of those, there were 100 bad ones, saying it was a "gimmick" movie.
But that's the how things are now, too. If there's a great movie (highly doubtful), all someone has to do is give it a bad connotation. "Racist" or "Pro-Trump", etc.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Dec 27, 2018 21:46:38 GMT
Orson Welles? It took about 20 years before many considered "Citizen Kane" one of the greats. No Citizen Kane was always considered brilliant, Welles just couldn't get films finished or released the way he wanted. |
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