NormanClature
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Post by NormanClature on Dec 29, 2018 23:11:27 GMT
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NormanClature
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Post by NormanClature on Dec 29, 2018 23:23:27 GMT
WB's motto: Never give up. Never surrender. And I'm glad they didn't. The DCEU is on track and moving forward. The only reason Aquaman is a "move forward" is because it's almost impossible to be in a position any further back.  |
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Post by politicidal on Dec 30, 2018 0:26:12 GMT
Welcome back Norm. Thought you'd gone extinct for a second.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 0:57:15 GMT
I agree the DCEU has had some pretty ugly miscues, but rumors of it's death have been greatly exaggerated!
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Post by politicidal on Dec 30, 2018 1:03:45 GMT
I agree the DCEU has had some pretty ugly miscues, but rumors of it's death have been greatly exaggerated! Especially considered that an Aquaman movie made more than a Justice League movie this weekend. |
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Post by James on Dec 30, 2018 1:04:23 GMT
Hey I saw that video!
He does bring up some valid points about Jimmy Olsen and the “Martha” scene. Why would Supes say “Martha” and not “my mom?”
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Post by havenless on Dec 30, 2018 1:21:51 GMT
Hey I saw that video! He does bring up some valid points about Jimmy Olsen and the “Martha” scene. Why would Supes say “Martha” and not “my mom?” Because it didn’t say that in the script. |
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Post by James on Dec 30, 2018 2:21:02 GMT
Hey I saw that video! He does bring up some valid points about Jimmy Olsen and the “Martha” scene. Why would Supes say “Martha” and not “my mom?” Because it didn’t say that in the script. It was a weak script then. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 30, 2018 17:27:20 GMT
Hey I saw that video! He does bring up some valid points about Jimmy Olsen and the “ Martha” scene. Why would Supes say “Martha” and not “my mom?”that's an old hat, and a nitpick. It's a contrivance for sure to make the concept of their team up work. But why not say Martha? I refer to my mother with her first name when speaking about her to known strangers, such as uncle or aunt. I'm certainly not an child saying "my mom" (cringe), it's too childish. DCEU should not be childish IMO. Also, " I don't care, he killed my mom" and " You should not have killed my mom...or squished my Walkman" are already taken by MCU. So to each franchise it's own. |
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Post by James on Dec 30, 2018 17:28:46 GMT
Hey I saw that video! He does bring up some valid points about Jimmy Olsen and the “ Martha” scene. Why would Supes say “Martha” and not “my mom?”that's an old hat, and a nitpick. It's a contrivance for sure to make the concept of their team up work. But why not say Martha? I refer to my mother with her first name when speaking about her to known strangers, such as uncle or aunt. I'm certainly not an child saying "my mom" (cringe), it's too childish. DCEU should not be childish IMO. Also, " I don't care, he killed my mom" and " You should not have killed my mom...or squished my Walkman" are already taken by MCU. So to each franchise it's own. Or how about "Martha, my mother"? |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 30, 2018 17:45:36 GMT
that's an old hat, and a nitpick. It's a contrivance for sure to make the concept of their team up work. But why not say Martha? I refer to my mother with her first name when speaking about her to known strangers, such as uncle or aunt. I'm certainly not an child saying "my mom" (cringe), it's too childish. DCEU should not be childish IMO. Also, " I don't care, he killed my mom" and " You should not have killed my mom...or squished my Walkman" are already taken by MCU. So to each franchise it's own. Or how about "Martha, my mother"? yup, would have been better. The writers and directors were seemingly proud to have worked out the similarities between Supes and Bat, and their motivations, so that they overstressed it and executed in a corny, melodramatic way. Bummer. I am generally against having middle aged men in costumes clobber because of mommy issues or resolve clobber conflict because of mommy issues; where did this start? But to each their own. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 30, 2018 18:16:38 GMT
yup, would have been better. The writers and directors were seemingly proud to have worked out the similarities between Supes and Bat, and their motivations, so that they overstressed it and executed in a corny, melodramatic way. Bummer. I am generally against having middle aged men in costumes clobber because of mommy issues or resolve clobber conflict because of mommy issues; where did this start? But to each their own. It should have ended with Superman showing mercy, having Batman beaten, and giving an epic speach, convincing Batman to help him. You're right, it's a shame. It sucks, but that phase of the DCEU is over. This is an odd thread. I'm not sure what the OP is thinking. The DCEU is thriving. Yes. It's just the usual smear campaign. You have an entire media industry in desperate need of clicks (especially on You Tube). Thus creating garbage-tier click bait content like this. The more sensationalistic the more likely to be clicked in the thousands (giving rise to ample ad revenue). Always pandering to the lowest instincts of their target audience: here to a MCU fan desperately wishing DC dead, especially when being too successful. The death of DC is a popular theme. Even worse are the countless death of Star Wars and Star Trek articles/vids. You even have end of MCU crap, especially in view of CapMarvel. Of course multi billion franchises are TOO BIG TO FAIL. Media parasites know that And they need them to survive themselves. Even trolls need them to do their trolling. |
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NormanClature
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Post by NormanClature on Dec 30, 2018 18:30:55 GMT
yup, would have been better. The writers and directors were seemingly proud to have worked out the similarities between Supes and Bat, and their motivations, so that they overstressed it and executed in a corny, melodramatic way. Bummer. I am generally against having middle aged men in costumes clobber because of mommy issues or resolve clobber conflict because of mommy issues; where did this start? But to each their own. It should have ended with Superman showing mercy, having Batman beaten, and giving an epic speach, convincing Batman to help him. You're right, it's a shame. It sucks, but that phase of the DCEU is over. This is an odd thread. I'm not sure what the OP is thinking. The DCEU is thriving. It isn't critically thriving and I'm not sure how you can say the universe as a whole is thriving when it doesn't even have it's two most important characters in place. 
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Post by NormanClature on Dec 30, 2018 18:48:09 GMT
It isn't critically thriving and I'm not sure how you can say the universe as a whole is thriving when it doesn't even have it's two most important characters in place. The last two DCEU movies are certified fresh. And more importantly, have great audience scores. As for Superman and Batman, the people have spoken. We don't want the old. We want new and fresh. Superman and Batman can take a long break. The DCEU is doing great without them. Justice League was "Fresh"? Who knew??!? You'd better ring WB and tell them about that one. 
BTW, a red tomato isn't the same as "Certified Fresh." Aquaman isn't "Certified Fresh" yet either. 
"Audience scores," count for nothing. They are easily manipulated. The only relevant "audience score" is the box office results. And even then, that sometimes don't tell the whole story. |
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Post by politicidal on Dec 30, 2018 18:59:46 GMT
Justice League was "Fresh"? Who knew??!? You'd better ring WB and tell them about that one. BTW, a red tomato isn't the same as "Certified Fresh." Aquaman isn't "Certified Fresh" yet either. "Audience scores," count for nothing. They are easily manipulated. The only relevant "audience score" is the box office results. And even then, that sometimes don't tell the whole story. I stand corrected. I'm still happy about Aquaman's success. And no amount of trolling can take that away from me. That's pretty much all Norman has at this moment. Aquaman is on its way to a billion or close to it whether he likes it or not. And people generally liked it on top of that. The DCEU lives. |
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 30, 2018 19:20:33 GMT
Snyder killed it.
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Post by damngumby on Dec 30, 2018 19:40:18 GMT
Aquaman If Aquaman ends up being as successful as DC fans are hoping, then the DCEU as we’ve known it, is even deader than it was after Justice League.
The failure of the original DCEU vision will be complete.
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Post by NormanClature on Dec 30, 2018 22:35:58 GMT
Aquaman If Aquaman ends up being as successful as DC fans are hoping, then the DCEU as we’ve known it, is even deader than it was after Justice League.
The failure of the original DCEU vision will be complete.
A point that appears to have escaped a number of DCU fans.
The vision which they lauded and hailed as superior to all others because of it's dark, gritty tone and po-faced, thematic undercurrents, has been completely discarded is favor of an attempt to copy the MCU. Instead of deriding this new vision as you may expect, given their previous stance on the subject, staunch DCU fans are now circle-jerking about the financial success of Aquaman as though their point of view has finally been vindicated by general audiences. Nothing could be further from the truth.
(Please note - the above paragraph isn't referring to any objective, reasonable minded, DC fans).
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Post by havenless on Dec 31, 2018 16:29:09 GMT
Hey I saw that video! He does bring up some valid points about Jimmy Olsen and the “ Martha” scene. Why would Supes say “Martha” and not “my mom?”that's an old hat, and a nitpick. It's a contrivance for sure to make the concept of their team up work. But why not say Martha? I refer to my mother with her first name when speaking about her to known strangers, such as uncle or aunt. I'm certainly not an child saying "my mom" (cringe), it's too childish. DCEU should not be childish IMO. Also, " I don't care, he killed my mom" and " You should not have killed my mom...or squished my Walkman" are already taken by MCU. So to each franchise it's own. Because it’s not uncommon, as proven by the fact they both have mothers named Martha? Imagine if someone asked you to save Todd. What would be your first move? Saying, “Who the F is Todd?” But if he says save Martha Kent, it kills the scene because Batman doesn’t consider him speaking about his own mother. It’s just something we accept that it happened and we move on. Like bat nipples. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 31, 2018 16:51:55 GMT
that's an old hat, and a nitpick. It's a contrivance for sure to make the concept of their team up work. But why not say Martha? I refer to my mother with her first name when speaking about her to known strangers, such as uncle or aunt. I'm certainly not an child saying "my mom" (cringe), it's too childish. DCEU should not be childish IMO. Also, " I don't care, he killed my mom" and " You should not have killed my mom...or squished my Walkman" are already taken by MCU. So to each franchise it's own. Because it’s not uncommon, as proven by the fact they both have mothers named Martha? Imagine if someone asked you to save Todd. What would be your first move? Saying, “Who the F is Todd?” But if he says save Martha Kent, it kills the scene because Batman doesn’t consider him speaking about his own mother. It’s just something we accept that it happened and we move on. Like bat nipples. I've already coceded above (and since ever) that the execution is cringeworthy and juvenile. Middle aged men fighting bc of mommy issues should be legally forbidden in movies. Still, I like the basic idea of these characters resolving their philosophical differences by finding their common ground of saving the ones they love. Also, it sends BM on his path of redemption. Bat nipples were the biggest crime against good taste since sensitive MCU nipples and raccoon turds. In a perfect world all these abominations would lie forgotten in the dustbin of CBM history. And they will some day. |
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