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Post by havenless on Dec 31, 2018 16:55:23 GMT
Because it’s not uncommon, as proven by the fact they both have mothers named Martha? Imagine if someone asked you to save Todd. What would be your first move? Saying, “Who the F is Todd?” But if he says save Martha Kent, it kills the scene because Batman doesn’t consider him speaking about his own mother. It’s just something we accept that it happened and we move on. Like bat nipples. I've already coceded above (and since ever) that the execution is cringeworthy and juvenile. Middle aged men fighting bc of mommy issues should be legally forbidden in movies. Still, I like the basic idea of these characters resolving their philosophical differences by finding their common ground of saving the ones they love. Also, it sends BM on his path of redemption. Bat nipples were the biggest crime against good taste since sensitive MCU nipples and raccoon turds. In a perfect world all these abominations would lie forgotten in the dustbin of CBM history. And they will some day. Bat nipples isn’t ‘since’ sensitive nipples, that’s been going on for 20 years now. I don’t even think it’s happened since GotG2. What did you mean by that? |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 31, 2018 19:10:26 GMT
I wont watch the video. I get enough DC hate right here.
As to the question itself... I would say the biggest culprit is Zack Snyder. His style is just not what was required to base an entire universe of movies on.
I actually like Snyder's previous efforts, but his style is more Michael Bay than Steven Spielberg. At the end of the day he mired his version of these characters in darkness, instead of awe and wonder. Jenkins and Wan have done better jobs with their respective entries than he did. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 31, 2018 19:19:38 GMT
Aquaman If Aquaman ends up being as successful as DC fans are hoping, then the DCEU as we’ve known it, is even deader than it was after Justice League.
The failure of the original DCEU vision will be complete.
A point that appears to have escaped a number of DCU fans. 
The vision which they lauded and hailed as superior to all others because of it's dark, gritty tone and po-faced, thematic undercurrents, has been completely discarded is favor of an attempt to copy the MCU. Instead of deriding this new vision as you may expect, given their previous stance on the subject, staunch DCU fans are now circle-jerking about the financial success of Aquaman as though their point of view has finally been vindicated by general audiences. Nothing could be further from the truth. 
(Please note - the above paragraph isn't referring to any objective, reasonable minded, DC fans).
But see, the problem with your thought process is that its a no win proposition.
If we stay with the dark and gritty... the movies suck.
If we discard that and imitate MCU... then the movies still suck.
In your regard, no matter what is done, DC just sucks. When the movie blows you say DC sucks, and when the movie does well you say "its just because they're copying MCU, so they still suck." This happened back during Wonder Woman too.
And that's why I say DC hate is irrational. You suck the dick of MCU at every turn, and shit on DC at every turn. There's no way to come out from under that. At this point DC could make the best fucking movie in the universe and you'd still find a way that it sucks.
So I'll just leave you with this: DC still has the two best CBM's EVER made in the form of Superman the Movie and The Dark Knight. So "circle jerk" that.
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Post by havenless on Dec 31, 2018 19:40:36 GMT
A point that appears to have escaped a number of DCU fans.
The vision which they lauded and hailed as superior to all others because of it's dark, gritty tone and po-faced, thematic undercurrents, has been completely discarded is favor of an attempt to copy the MCU. Instead of deriding this new vision as you may expect, given their previous stance on the subject, staunch DCU fans are now circle-jerking about the financial success of Aquaman as though their point of view has finally been vindicated by general audiences. Nothing could be further from the truth.
(Please note - the above paragraph isn't referring to any objective, reasonable minded, DC fans).
But see, the problem with your thought process is that its a no win proposition.
If we stay with the dark and gritty... the movies suck.
If we discard that and imitate MCU... then the movies still suck.
In your regard, no matter what is done, DC just sucks. When the movie blows you say DC sucks, and when the movie does well you say "its just because they're copying MCU, so they still suck." This happened back during Wonder Woman too.
And that's why I say DC hate is irrational. You suck the dick of MCU at every turn, and shit on DC at every turn. There's no way to come out from under that. At this point DC could make the best fucking movie in the universe and you'd still find a way that it sucks.
So I'll just leave you with this: DC still has the two best CBM's EVER made in the form of Superman the Movie and The Dark Knight. So "circle jerk" that.
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I dot think dc sucks. And I don’t think the general movie-to-movie world building strategy they went with was necessarily wrong. The issue with giving an entire cinematic franchise to someone with such a specific style and perspective is it closes the doors on so many great DC events and branching stories. How would Supergirl realistically fit in BvS? Would she have been sullen and stoic, eliminating the bubblegum blonde high school angle? Was it not slightly jarring to go from BvS to the style to JL? It put off BvS fans but also didn’t hit what they wanted to with the detractors. Even when the movies are great, making lots of money, the universe doesn’t feel like it’s about to blow up because of the foundation. They’re trying to extrapolate, I can’t help but feel the DCEU is further constricting in terms of themes and possibilities. Can we imagine this Batman leading a team of Booster Gold, Wally West, SHAZAM? Or does that feel like it’s alienating everything that’s been set up in BvS in terms of tone and character? Keep making the movies, if you eliminate marvel from the constant “is it or isn’t it?!” Conversation, then DCEU is actually doing just fine. But I’d recommend just keeping more doors open for other things, you don’t have to shut it all down for a better atmosphere. Nolan did it because it was never intended to connect to anything. This is literally the opposite. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 31, 2018 19:47:47 GMT
But see, the problem with your thought process is that its a no win proposition.
If we stay with the dark and gritty... the movies suck.
If we discard that and imitate MCU... then the movies still suck.
In your regard, no matter what is done, DC just sucks. When the movie blows you say DC sucks, and when the movie does well you say "its just because they're copying MCU, so they still suck." This happened back during Wonder Woman too.
And that's why I say DC hate is irrational. You suck the dick of MCU at every turn, and shit on DC at every turn. There's no way to come out from under that. At this point DC could make the best fucking movie in the universe and you'd still find a way that it sucks.
So I'll just leave you with this: DC still has the two best CBM's EVER made in the form of Superman the Movie and The Dark Knight. So "circle jerk" that.
NormanClature damngumby
I dot think dc sucks. And I don’t think the general movie-to-movie world building strategy they went with was necessarily wrong. The issue with giving an entire cinematic franchise to someone with such a specific style and perspective is it closes the doors on so many great DC events and branching stories. How would Supergirl realistically fit in BvS? Would she have been sullen and stoic, eliminating the bubblegum blonde high school angle? Was it not slightly jarring to go from BvS to the style to JL? It put off BvS fans but also didn’t hit what they wanted to with the detractors. Even when the movies are great, making lots of money, the universe doesn’t feel like it’s about to blow up because of the foundation. They’re trying to extrapolate, I can’t help but feel the DCEU is further constricting in terms of themes and possibilities. Can we imagine this Batman leading a team of Booster Gold, Wally West, SHAZAM? Or does that feel like it’s alienating everything that’s been set up in BvS in terms of tone and character? Keep making the movies, if you eliminate marvel from the constant “is it or isn’t it?!” Conversation, then DCEU is actually doing just fine. But I’d recommend just keeping more doors open for other things, you don’t have to shut it all down for a better atmosphere. Nolan did it because it was never intended to connect to anything. This is literally the opposite. That's a point I made in another post, and it may be more to the heart of the problem than anything else. |
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Post by havenless on Dec 31, 2018 19:54:09 GMT
I dot think dc sucks. And I don’t think the general movie-to-movie world building strategy they went with was necessarily wrong. The issue with giving an entire cinematic franchise to someone with such a specific style and perspective is it closes the doors on so many great DC events and branching stories. How would Supergirl realistically fit in BvS? Would she have been sullen and stoic, eliminating the bubblegum blonde high school angle? Was it not slightly jarring to go from BvS to the style to JL? It put off BvS fans but also didn’t hit what they wanted to with the detractors. Even when the movies are great, making lots of money, the universe doesn’t feel like it’s about to blow up because of the foundation. They’re trying to extrapolate, I can’t help but feel the DCEU is further constricting in terms of themes and possibilities. Can we imagine this Batman leading a team of Booster Gold, Wally West, SHAZAM? Or does that feel like it’s alienating everything that’s been set up in BvS in terms of tone and character? Keep making the movies, if you eliminate marvel from the constant “is it or isn’t it?!” Conversation, then DCEU is actually doing just fine. But I’d recommend just keeping more doors open for other things, you don’t have to shut it all down for a better atmosphere. Nolan did it because it was never intended to connect to anything. This is literally the opposite. That's a point I made in another post, and it may be more to the heart of the problem than anything else. It’s a good point you made, and more should be making it. It would have worked if it wasn’t the foundation movies, if it was later in the series. Wonder Woman, Aquaman, even SS didn’t do anything specific to not imply that anything is possible in this universe. |
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Post by damngumby on Dec 31, 2018 20:05:39 GMT
A point that appears to have escaped a number of DCU fans. The vision which they lauded and hailed as superior to all others because of it's dark, gritty tone and po-faced, thematic undercurrents, has been completely discarded is favor of an attempt to copy the MCU. Instead of deriding this new vision as you may expect, given their previous stance on the subject, staunch DCU fans are now circle-jerking about the financial success of Aquaman as though their point of view has finally been vindicated by general audiences. Nothing could be further from the truth. (Please note - the above paragraph isn't referring to any objective, reasonable minded, DC fans).
But see, the problem with your thought process is that its a no win proposition.
If we stay with the dark and gritty... the movies suck.
If we discard that and imitate MCU... then the movies still suck. It’s pretty telling that you didn’t even consider a third alternative - They could make a good dark and gritty superhero movie. People hate DCEU movies because they mostly suck. There is nothing irrational about that. Neither of those movies is DCEU ... so you’ve left us with a good chuckle! |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 31, 2018 20:09:13 GMT
But see, the problem with your thought process is that its a no win proposition.
If we stay with the dark and gritty... the movies suck.
If we discard that and imitate MCU... then the movies still suck. It’s pretty telling that you didn’t even consider a third alternative - They could make a good dark and gritty superhero movie. People hate DCEU movies because they mostly suck. There is nothing irrational about that. Neither of those movies is DCEU ... so you’ve left us with a good chuckle! That's why I also wrote: "At this point DC could make the best fucking movie in the universe and you'd still find a way that it sucks." |
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Post by damngumby on Dec 31, 2018 21:25:56 GMT
It’s pretty telling that you didn’t even consider a third alternative - They could make a good dark and gritty superhero movie. People hate DCEU movies because they mostly suck. There is nothing irrational about that. Neither of those movies is DCEU ... so you’ve left us with a good chuckle! That's why I also wrote: "At this point DC could make the best fucking movie in the universe and you'd still find a way that it sucks." This thread is about the DC EU. Please differentiate. In my opinion, DC already has the best live action superhero movie in TDK. It was the DCEU that took that high standard, tossed in the dumpster ... and lit it on fire. |
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Post by Jedan Archer on Jan 1, 2019 0:32:20 GMT
Who killed the DCEU? The one which is currently alive and kicking like never before?
Smells like manchild spirit.
Seriously. Get a life. And get some help.
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Post by NormanClature on Jan 1, 2019 10:33:44 GMT
A point that appears to have escaped a number of DCU fans.
The vision which they lauded and hailed as superior to all others because of it's dark, gritty tone and po-faced, thematic undercurrents, has been completely discarded is favor of an attempt to copy the MCU. Instead of deriding this new vision as you may expect, given their previous stance on the subject, staunch DCU fans are now circle-jerking about the financial success of Aquaman as though their point of view has finally been vindicated by general audiences. Nothing could be further from the truth.
(Please note - the above paragraph isn't referring to any objective, reasonable minded, DC fans).
But see, the problem with your thought process is that its a no win proposition.
If we stay with the dark and gritty... the movies suck.
If we discard that and imitate MCU... then the movies still suck.
In your regard, no matter what is done, DC just sucks. When the movie blows you say DC sucks, and when the movie does well you say "its just because they're copying MCU, so they still suck." This happened back during Wonder Woman too.
And that's why I say DC hate is irrational. You suck the dick of MCU at every turn, and shit on DC at every turn. There's no way to come out from under that. At this point DC could make the best fucking movie in the universe and you'd still find a way that it sucks.
So I'll just leave you with this: DC still has the two best CBM's EVER made in the form of Superman the Movie and The Dark Knight. So "circle jerk" that.
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The only no win proposition exists inside your head.
To win, all WB have to do is make a good movie. The tone isn't a factor. TDK is a great "dark and gritty," CBM, Ragnarok is a great comedic CBM - it is demonstrably possible to successfully make both types of movie.
You appear to be more of a rabid fanboy than I initially thought. Your fanboy rage has impaired your reading ability. I have written on a number of occasions that I like maybe 6 or 7 of the MCU movies and I enjoy the Nolan trilogy. Those aren't the proclivities of someone with an inherent Marvel bias, they are the proclivities of someone who doesn't enjoy shitty movies. The only reason you see me being more vocal in my disapproval of DCU movies which I don't enjoy is because of the embarrassing hypocrisy of certain DCU fans. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 2, 2019 1:13:13 GMT
This thread is about the DC EU. Please differentiate. In my opinion, DC already has the best live action superhero movie in TDK. It was the DCEU that took that high standard, tossed in the dumpster ... and lit it on fire. Oddly enough it was Nolan that hand picked Snyder. It was a mistake. I'm glad we're beyond that now. Yeah... true |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 2, 2019 1:41:44 GMT
But see, the problem with your thought process is that its a no win proposition.
If we stay with the dark and gritty... the movies suck.
If we discard that and imitate MCU... then the movies still suck.
In your regard, no matter what is done, DC just sucks. When the movie blows you say DC sucks, and when the movie does well you say "its just because they're copying MCU, so they still suck." This happened back during Wonder Woman too.
And that's why I say DC hate is irrational. You suck the dick of MCU at every turn, and shit on DC at every turn. There's no way to come out from under that. At this point DC could make the best fucking movie in the universe and you'd still find a way that it sucks.
So I'll just leave you with this: DC still has the two best CBM's EVER made in the form of Superman the Movie and The Dark Knight. So "circle jerk" that.
NormanClature damngumby
The only no win proposition exists inside your head.
To win, all WB have to do is make a good movie. The tone isn't a factor. TDK is a great "dark and gritty," CBM, Ragnarok is a great comedic CBM - it is demonstrably possible to successfully make both types of movie.
You appear to be more of a rabid fanboy than I initially thought. Your fanboy rage has impaired your reading ability. I have written on a number of occasions that I like maybe 6 or 7 of the MCU movies and I enjoy the Nolan trilogy. Those aren't the proclivities of someone with an inherent Marvel bias, they are the proclivities of someone who doesn't enjoy shitty movies. The only reason you see me being more vocal in my disapproval of DCU movies which I don't enjoy is because of the embarrassing hypocrisy of certain DCU fans. Is this in my head? I'm not going to go around screenshotting all the times this has happened before, but here's one instance where it JUST happened... Must be in my head...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 1:56:39 GMT
The only no win proposition exists inside your head.
To win, all WB have to do is make a good movie. The tone isn't a factor. TDK is a great "dark and gritty," CBM, Ragnarok is a great comedic CBM - it is demonstrably possible to successfully make both types of movie.
You appear to be more of a rabid fanboy than I initially thought. Your fanboy rage has impaired your reading ability. I have written on a number of occasions that I like maybe 6 or 7 of the MCU movies and I enjoy the Nolan trilogy. Those aren't the proclivities of someone with an inherent Marvel bias, they are the proclivities of someone who doesn't enjoy shitty movies. The only reason you see me being more vocal in my disapproval of DCU movies which I don't enjoy is because of the embarrassing hypocrisy of certain DCU fans. Is this in my head? I'm not going to go around screenshotting all the times this has happened before, but here's one instance where it JUST happened... Must be in my head...
I've got to side with Len on this one, I'm certain there's nothing in his head.... That said I agree with Len's point but couldn't help but get in the dig. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 2, 2019 1:57:56 GMT
Is this in my head? I'm not going to go around screenshotting all the times this has happened before, but here's one instance where it JUST happened... Must be in my head...
I've got to side with Len on this one, I'm certain there's nothing in his head.... That said I agree with Len's point but couldn't help but get in the dig. Niiice… I see what you did there... heh heh |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 8:59:13 GMT
I saw that video a while ago and enjoyed it. Shame the guy hates The Last Jedi, though.
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Post by Jedan Archer on Jan 8, 2019 11:05:41 GMT
Lol that video has aged badly. For desperate Marvel trolls only.
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