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Post by Feologild Oakes on Dec 30, 2018 17:49:53 GMT
You know movies made from the late 1920s to the early 1960s. What is the worst and best thing about movies in this period of Hollywood history ?
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 30, 2018 18:47:16 GMT
Best thing - Every movie had a plot. It might not have worked but it WAS a plot. Now all (Ok, most) the movie plots are is "Good guy good, bad guy bad. And here's some nifty FX to wow you and distract you from the fact that this movie is a pile of feces."
Worst thing - The racism would be the knee jerk reaction. I was watching Hitchcock's Lifeboat. Tallulah Bankhead's character causally calls the Black survivor "Charcoal". Nice, huh? But racism was everywhere. Another was the promotion of features. Watching a lot of classics, I often find a great movie that I've never heard of. Why, from the start, the studios though the was the B feature. Advertisers ignored it, Theater owners ignored it, critics ignored it and audiences ignored it. It was like the studio heads told you what was good and what was bad.
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Post by marianne48 on Dec 30, 2018 19:03:47 GMT
I don't think the racism of the films was so bad--if anything, it's kind of a good thing, since it was a reflection of racism in real life at the time, so it serves as a record of the attitudes of the era. Anyone from more recent generations who downplays the institutionalized racism (and sexism) of that period can see it for himself/herself by watching the way different races were portrayed (if they even appeared at all). Even those of non-WASP ethnicities were often portrayed in stereotypical ways. If watching racist and sexist stereotypes in a film makes the viewer uncomfortable, it's a reminder of the way the world was back then.
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Post by mikef6 on Dec 30, 2018 19:08:02 GMT
Best thing - Every movie had a plot. It might not have worked but it WAS a plot. Now all (Ok, most) the movie plots are is "Good guy good, bad guy bad. And here's some nifty FX to wow you and distract you from the fact that this movie is a pile of feces." Worst thing - The racism would be the knee jerk reaction. I was watching Hitchcock's Lifeboat. Tallulah Bankhead's character causally calls the Black survivor "Charcoal". Nice, huh? But racism was everywhere. Another was the promotion of features. Watching a lot of classics, I often find a great movie that I've never heard of. Why, from the start, the studios though the was the B feature. Advertisers ignored it, Theater owners ignored it, critics ignored it and audiences ignored it. It was like the studio heads told you what was good and what was bad. I think you have pretty much nailed it. I have been lately watching a lot of the retrospectively named film noir from the '30s through the '50s and a lot of "B" crime movies that border on noir and am having such a great time with them. As for modern movies, so many of them have pre-tested, pre-sold plots such as the Road Trip , the Sports Movie, famous actor comes down with a disease, the next in the Superhero saga, and so on. I am speaking very broadly and there are, of course, creative modern films but you have to search them out. You can't (as you could as late as the 1960s) just say, "I'm going to the movies tonight" and expect to find an entertaining film without even checking first on what's playing.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 30, 2018 19:31:25 GMT
What others already touched upon. But I'll add the frivolity in the bulk of those films which you really don't find anymore. Even if it was an Otto Preminger or Stanley Kramer gig, there was that escapist element intact. Today it's pretty much reserved only for when it's a romance, a comedy, or something more family-friendly. Don't get me wrong, I'm all in on films confronting serious issues or challenging the audience members. Or just a really screwed up and twisted thriller or horror story or similar. But my god, lighten up a little bit sometimes.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Jan 1, 2019 16:58:12 GMT
I've given the matter of "the best" some thought since the thread first appeared, considering how to characterize the artistic creativity and craftsmanship of the era, and it keeps coming down to one word: talent. While it may sound not only overly simplistic but dismissive of those who've come along since, the case can easily be made that the period represented the most astonishing confluence and concentration of extraordinary talents that have ever existed: truly one-of-a-kind artists among writers, directors, cinematographers, composers, designers of all disciplines and uniquely gifted and larger-than-life actors, singers and dancers, of whom it's been commonly said, "We'll never see their like again." It may have been just happy coincidence that so many responsible for such a rich collection of entertainment all happened to be living at the same time, working with one another when the industry most suited to exhibiting their abilities was developing and maturing. Whatever it was, those of us who've lived through any part of it, along with anyone now or in the future who cares to avail themselves of this deep, broad and enduring reservoir of accomplishment, are the beneficiaries. To be fair, it might be that there are currently living just as many able and unique individuals, and it's merely changing tastes, or perhaps absence of vision, or even focus-group-driven cynicism that's taken the place of the once-dominant studio system that nurtured, utilized and showcased such talents, standing in the way of yet another golden age in which they could come to the fore. And for all I know, that new age could blossom at any time. But so far, it's been seen only once. The worst? Naivete, if I had to sum it up in one word. It was partly an aspect of a burgeoning modern society in which there remained certain things that simply weren't discussed or acknowledged, or were at best swept under the rug: everything from basic facts of life to the racism cited by TheGoodMan19 and marianne48. And during the 20-year period from 1934 to 1954, that naivete was most aggressively institutionalized in the form of the Production Code Administration office as overseen by Joe Breen, under whose dictatorial powers certain topics were referenced only obliquely and others not at all, and right and virtue always triumphed, if only by requisite last-reel punishments meted out for crimes, misdeeds or so-called moral failings. Maybe "pretense" is an even more applicable word than "naivete;" under the PCA, an idealistic bill of goods was sold about a world that never really existed. But even this had its upside, as film makers found creatively subversive workarounds by which mature topics and harsher realities could be artistically portrayed, and many of those workarounds provided examples of sparkling dialogue, aesthetic representations and elegantly economical thematic symbolism that are now considered hallmarks of the era. So there. And how I wish I could master that kind of economy of expression.
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Post by Lebowskidoo 🦞 on Jan 1, 2019 17:10:17 GMT
Okay, this is both the best and worst thing about the classics: The romanticizing of the past.
It's great to escape to a perfect world where there was always a happy ending with a song and dance number. But in reality, those were not the good old days for many ethnic groups or other minorities. To gloss over all the bad stuff and proclaim them the good old days, like they were such perfect times. At least modern movies will show it like it is, life is hard now, like it was then. I say all this realizing they probably knew all this at the time, but were afraid to market movies that way then. People wanted escape, nothing too real, or so movie producers thought. It wouldn't be until the late 60's when times changed and movies did too.
Not to sound like too much of crab here, I love escaping to the movies to forget my problems, and a sweet happy ending is sometimes just what you need.
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Post by spiderwort on Jan 1, 2019 18:38:02 GMT
As for modern movies, so many of them have pre-tested, pre-sold plots such as the Road Trip , the Sports Movie, famous actor comes down with a disease, the next in the Superhero saga, and so on. I am speaking very broadly and there are, of course, creative modern films but you have to search them out. You can't (as you could as late as the 1960s) just say, "I'm going to the movies tonight" and expect to find an entertaining film without even checking first on what's playing. Yes, too many films today are absolutely designed and derivative, primarily because the major studios want to get big audiences and don't trust the viewers anymore. And the viewers are collaborators in the process, because they pay money to see movies that are nothing but con jobs.
Also, because we now have generations of filmmakers who have grown up on films, that becomes their reality, at least in America. There are far too few directors today who have personal visions that are unique, interesting, and, indeed, personal. And those who do have a terrible time getting financing.
Another thing not yet mentioned is the lapse into lazy writing with the proliferation of gratuitous sex, violence and profanity. That's an insult to the audiences, who, whether they realize it or not, enjoy the film much better when they are allowed to become co-creators by imagining parts of the film they are not explicitly shown. I'm especially sick and tired of that. Any one of those elements, sometimes necessary, loses its impact when repeatedly applied film after film, until it becomes utterly predictable and meaningless.
It's a sad thing, indeed, and it conditions society to a norm that isn't good.
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Post by kijii on Jan 1, 2019 19:26:15 GMT
Best Things:
I like the way it opened up many classical novels and stories to those who may have not read them. AND, even for those who did read them--they were brought to life on the screen. There were also many great biographies that were "brought to life" through the movies.
I think that movies may have unified the country in a way that no other medium could at the time. This is especially seen when Hollywood unified us during the World Wars and the Depression.
I like the set designs and decorations too. Though they were often only facades, people could accept them. I miss this when seeing today's digitize movies, which seem even more phony because they are NOT made by real handwork. The green screen is a huge turnoff for me in today's movies.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jan 1, 2019 20:24:38 GMT
Best Thing: The studio backlot production/star recruitment system. The concentration of production in one place like a factory is what characterizes Hollywood the most IMO. Everything being in-house from screenwriting to casting to composing, even with their own cartoon divisions.
Worst Thing: The monopoly-like stranglehold on film production which eventually destroyed homegrown film in various countries where Hollywood had distribution. The sorry state of Western film is unquestionably a result of this loss of diversity and artistic freedom.
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Post by OldAussie on Jan 1, 2019 20:48:12 GMT
In the classic era the studios were run by people who actually loved movies - some even made movies which looked unlikely to make a profit but which were considered "prestige pictures". Many of these turned out to be beloved movies.
These days American movies are made by committees working to a business plan which precludes originality. Hence they are mostly superhero/star wars stuff running off an assembly line.
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Jan 2, 2019 4:59:10 GMT
You know movies made from the late 1920s to the early 1960s. What is the worst and best thing about movies in this period of Hollywood history ? The movies were made
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Post by vegalyra on Jan 3, 2019 16:45:11 GMT
I know there were a lot of crummy films made during the "classic" era, but the number of great films in my opinion far surpasses the great films from the modern era. Especially from the past 10 to 20 years.
One of my favorite parts about a lot of classic films are the matte paintings used for backgrounds. Much of the time they aren't very convincing to modern eyes, but they are beautiful anyways. Especially the ones made for "epic" films. Speaking of which, the use of a cast of 1,000s was actually literal, nowadays the massive armies or city folk in the backgrounds are CGI creations.
I also agree about the escapism. I tire of many modern films that are "grittly realistic." Sometimes it's good to forget ones problems or the problems of the world in current times.
I also don't have a problem with the code era films, they tend to aid my previous observation about escapism.
I guess the only issue I have with the era has already been discussed, that the studios in many cases predetermined what would be "B" films.
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Post by timshelboy on Jan 4, 2019 12:37:00 GMT
Best: Scripts usually were valued and important, and when they were not the most central aspect of a scene you might get something perfect, like this ........most films came in at 90 minutes or less, and many of them treated audiences as adults. Worst?: THE HORN BLOWS AT MIDNIGHT is as bad as bad can be
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