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Post by thebayharborbutcher on Jan 2, 2019 17:08:23 GMT
For me, I feel like Batman v Superman had the most negative impact on the DCEU so far. Personally I thought Man of Steel was really good and Justice League really wasn’t bad. But BvS was just so poor, especially with the first big screen modern day meet up of Batman and Superman. People were so let down by that movie that there was no recovering for Affleck, Cavill and Snyder essentially ending their runs with the DCEU.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jan 2, 2019 17:14:24 GMT
BvS was exactly what Snyder intended it to be.
It just wasn't super popular at the box office.
Neither was WATCHMEN or HULK.
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Post by politicidal on Jan 2, 2019 17:14:47 GMT
That's the general consensus, yeah.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 2, 2019 20:36:08 GMT
I disagree. You are aware that BvS still is the highest grosser (though Aquaman will catch up sooner or later) and the films after it, SS and WW, overperformed. People had certainly become fatigued and cynical about those two iconic characters. No wonder after endless bombardment with films, games, cartoons and TV shows. BvS with it slow pace and philosophical themes may be an acquired taste but - after Watchmen - it is still the most interesting CBM crime drama post Nolan, more so than the very decent Man of Steel. Justice League was trash, fun and entertaining yes, but trash, artistically soiled by WB and Josh Whedon with juvenile jokes and cheap cinematography. Suicide Squad was an abomination of the lowest order worthy to be continued by the likes of James Gunn.
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Post by James on Jan 2, 2019 20:46:49 GMT
Precisely. It should’ve been much better.
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Post by Jedan Archer on Jan 2, 2019 21:16:45 GMT
Nah, loved it. Deep grungy Rock'n Roll. Boring for kids.
Has only grown since with me. Unlike most movies.
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 2, 2019 22:00:19 GMT
BvS was certainly the biggest disappointment, yes. Being followed up by SS felt like a 1-2 combo for a knockdown.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 2, 2019 23:53:32 GMT
I'd have to agree. It probably did the most damage to the DCEU Brand. It was the most divisive of the movies in my opinion. Say what you want about Suicide Squad, but with the general audience I think most just shrugged their shoulders and said it was ok or different. I don't know if all of it lands on the shoulders of the movie. I particularly didn't like it, but I didn't out and out hate it. The narrative that followed it in the media and online did a lot of damage too. Before the movie The Excitement of Holy Trinity being on the screen together for the first time was massive. Add a little fanboy back and forth. Even with the Batfleck controversy it was highly anticipated. Then World Wide Opening all at one time pushing it high, followed by the movie making Rotten Tomatoes famous, and the second week crash (be it word of mouth or no where to expand). It all played out pretty publicly. Hell my senior citizen Mother asked what Rotten Tomatoes was.
So the divisive movie along with the public media narrative did the most damage, I think.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 6:30:25 GMT
I disagree. You are aware that BvS still is the highest grosser (though Aquaman will catch up sooner or later) and the films after it, SS and WW, overperformed. Not to keep picking on you, but if SS and WW's over performance had something to do with BvS, does JL's underperformance have something to do with WW?
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 3, 2019 10:54:47 GMT
I disagree. You are aware that BvS still is the highest grosser (though Aquaman will catch up sooner or later) and the films after it, SS and WW, overperformed. Not to keep picking on you, but if SS and WW's over performance had something to do with BvS, does JL's underperformance have something to do with WW? no - negative or positive spillover effects are often claimed if an allegedly bad movie performs well but the allegedly better follow-up bombs. (Eg the fan backlash against Last Jedi is allegedly one of the major contributing factors Solo bombed so brutally). However that may be, with BvS this cannot be claimed conclusively as the next film overperformed despite being trash (SS) and the one following hyper-overperformed (WW), being the best reviewed and profitable landmark-CBM. Also, the audience scores for BvS are surprisingly fresh, usually around 65, which is ok (not "hated") considering the huge anti-Snider and anti-DC mob downvote factor, and this film is really an slow, acquired taste with philosophical themes but not a easy-listening clobber porn for comic book nerds. Now, compare BvS's audience ratings with the brutal audience score downvotes of TLJ or other recent backlashes as DocWho. Conclusions: the data does not back up the OP opinion. BvS film may be considered as the "most boringest" by a certain demographic, but had not the "most negative impact". If any, based on the data Suicide Squad probably had.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jan 3, 2019 12:42:45 GMT
Not to keep picking on you, but if SS and WW's over performance had something to do with BvS, does JL's underperformance have something to do with WW? no - negative or positive spillover effects are often claimed if an allegedly bad movie performs well but the allegedly better follow-up bombs. (Eg the fan backlash against Last Jedi is allegedly one of the major contributing factors Solo bombed so brutally). However that may be, with BvS this cannot be claimed conclusively as the next film overperformed despite being trash (SS) and the one following hyper-overperformed (WW), being the best reviewed and profitable landmark-CBM. Also, the audience scores for BvS are surprisingly fresh, usually around 65, which is ok (not "hated") considering the huge anti-Snider and anti-DC mob downvote factor, and this film is really an slow, acquired taste with philosophical themes but not a easy-listening clobber porn for comic book nerds. Now, compare BvS's audience ratings with the brutal audience score downvotes of TLJ or other recent backlashes as DocWho. Conclusions: the data does not back up the OP opinion. BvS film may be considered as the "most boringest" by a certain demographic, but had not the "most negative impact". If any, based on the data Suicide Squad probably had. Wonder Woman was negatively effected by Batman v Superman. Since it didn’t make a billion like Aquaman.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 3, 2019 16:24:12 GMT
no - negative or positive spillover effects are often claimed if an allegedly bad movie performs well but the allegedly better follow-up bombs. (Eg the fan backlash against Last Jedi is allegedly one of the major contributing factors Solo bombed so brutally). However that may be, with BvS this cannot be claimed conclusively as the next film overperformed despite being trash (SS) and the one following hyper-overperformed (WW), being the best reviewed and profitable landmark-CBM. Also, the audience scores for BvS are surprisingly fresh, usually around 65, which is ok (not "hated") considering the huge anti-Snider and anti-DC mob downvote factor, and this film is really an slow, acquired taste with philosophical themes but not a easy-listening clobber porn for comic book nerds. Now, compare BvS's audience ratings with the brutal audience score downvotes of TLJ or other recent backlashes as DocWho. Conclusions: the data does not back up the OP opinion. BvS film may be considered as the "most boringest" by a certain demographic, but had not the "most negative impact". If any, based on the data Suicide Squad probably had. Wonder Woman was negatively effected by Batman v Superman. Since it didn’t make a billion like Aquaman. Sure, because you say so. Pray tell: 1. Do you have any concrete evidence for that besides speculation? 2. Aquaman did not make a billion (yet…). Still the reasons as to why this may make 1B and WW did not are quite obvious. 3. As per your logic, Aquaman should have made 2B if not following-up on JL...?
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