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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 17:50:20 GMT
The plan only makes sense in his warped mind to prove to everyone he was "right". A lot of people I see on these message boards go to extremes in ways to prove they are "right" about one thing or another, sometimes doing some pretty stupid things. I'm pretty good with Thanos being a "Mad Titan" proving he was "right" vs. the run of the mill villain motivations of revenge or power. So basically Thanos is trying to imitate Heath Ledger's Joker. I do see what you were saying about part of Ledger's Joker wanting to prove that he is correct, his challenges to Batman about human nature, but it wasn't what drove the character. I think the point about Ledger's Joker was we don't know what really drove him, created his insanity. I don't think even the Joker knew, he just went with it. Thanos is driven by the trait to satisfy his desire to prove something to the universe, and maybe himself, Joker uses that trait to amuse himself and to really dig into Batman's psyche. Yes, they are both insane, and both do go to extremes to prove they are right, but I think any comparison ends there. And Ledger's Joker is one of the great characters in cinema, IMHO. Thanos is not in the same league, nor is most of what we see in film, but I'm glad to see you are beginning to realize he is far from the nonsenical villain with a plan that is a plot hole in itself.
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 5, 2019 18:21:19 GMT
The "doubling the resources of the entire universe" isn't really a viable option anyway.
1. The planets will be too jam packed if you double the resources. I wouldn't be surprised of they collapsed from the sheer weight of it.
2. We know the IG can destroy stuff but we haven't really create anything permanent. There's no guarantee it can actually accomplish it. Destroying something is infinitely less complex than creating something from thin air. No proof that the IG can do that.
3. Doubling the resources is a far more temporary solution. Removing half the population of each planet will destabilize their societies and it will take a long time for them to get back on track and repopulate. If you double the resources then the living societies will simply devour them at the same rate they already do, probably even faster with population growth.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 3:50:21 GMT
Yeah. It's a legit conundrum. If time reversal is the solution in IW2 then any children born after the snap will revert to the fetal state they were in prior to the snap. They will just get born a second time. No harm, no foul. Always Wrong is batting zero tonight! I know. I just think it's a conundrum our heroes will have to deal with. A lot of things will have to happen after the snap, things that might be undone if the effects of the snap are undone. Cures for diseases that weren't there before. Solutions to problems that weren't there before. The longer it takes the Avengers to reverse the effects of the snap, the more they should be forced to consider how feasible it really is to go back. Despite the horrors of the snap, people can start becoming accustomed to the lives they built for themselves afterwards.
I don't know if undoing the snap means everyone will retain no memory of the snap or their lives after the snap, but when I heard the possibility that Endgame could bet set 5-10 or even more years into the future, the more difficult it will be to undo.
But I can't stress enough that this isn't a criticism. It just makes me enjoy the movie more, and look forward to its resolution more. If the solution were obvious, I wouldn't have questions, or reservations. I don't know that it's a given that time travel is the solution, or undoing the snap; I don't know what happens in the comics so as far as I'm concerned, anything can happen. It's why I like these movies.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 7, 2019 16:53:06 GMT
If time reversal is the solution in IW2 then any children born after the snap will revert to the fetal state they were in prior to the snap. They will just get born a second time. No harm, no foul. Always Wrong is batting zero tonight! I know. I just think it's a conundrum our heroes will have to deal with. A lot of things will have to happen after the snap, things that might be undone if the effects of the snap are undone. Cures for diseases that weren't there before. Solutions to problems that weren't there before. The longer it takes the Avengers to reverse the effects of the snap, the more they should be forced to consider how feasible it really is to go back. Despite the horrors of the snap, people can start becoming accustomed to the lives they built for themselves afterwards.
I don't know if undoing the snap means everyone will retain no memory of the snap or their lives after the snap, but when I heard the possibility that Endgame could bet set 5-10 or even more years into the future, the more difficult it will be to undo.
Good point. If Endgame is 5 to 10 years after the snap and the Avengers just rest everything to the way it was before the snap, not only would the Avengers permanently erase the hundreds of millions of children conceived and born after the snap but also the Avengers could erase significant progress and advances in the fields of medicine, science, and technology. So the Avengers could erase significant medical research that could potentially save millions more lives. All because the Avengers want to play God and decide who lives (all their friends) and who dies (all the children conceived and born after the snap as well as millions who could be saved by medical research that will be erased by resetting everything back to the way it was before the snap).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 17:08:40 GMT
I know. I just think it's a conundrum our heroes will have to deal with. A lot of things will have to happen after the snap, things that might be undone if the effects of the snap are undone. Cures for diseases that weren't there before. Solutions to problems that weren't there before. The longer it takes the Avengers to reverse the effects of the snap, the more they should be forced to consider how feasible it really is to go back. Despite the horrors of the snap, people can start becoming accustomed to the lives they built for themselves afterwards.
I don't know if undoing the snap means everyone will retain no memory of the snap or their lives after the snap, but when I heard the possibility that Endgame could bet set 5-10 or even more years into the future, the more difficult it will be to undo.
Good point. If Endgame is 5 to 10 years after the snap and the Avengers just rest everything to the way it was before the snap, not only would the Avengers permanently erase the hundreds of millions of children conceived and born after the snap but also the Avengers could erase significant progress and advances in the fields of medicine, science, and technology. So the Avengers could erase significant medical research that could potentially save millions more lives. All because the Avengers want to play God and decide who lives (all their friends) and who dies (all the children conceived and born after the snap as well as millions who could be saved by medical research that will be erased by resetting everything back to the way it was before the snap). So the alternate timeline Thanos created by reconstructing the mindstone is the "real one"?
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