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Post by goz on Jan 9, 2019 20:11:27 GMT
So what are your current thoughts about global warming?
And I am afraid there isn't ever going to be an answer about how our souls evolved through the evolution process because 1) there is no way to identify anything called soul and 2) even if there were, evolution deals with the physical world and not spiritual.
I think most "theistic evolutionists" think that the human "body" evolved, but at some point in evolution (time of Adam and Eve) was combined with the "spirit" that did not evolve. The combination of the two creates the "soul"....
Neat confluence of stories there. Evolution doing all the hard work and then God kicks in with Adam and Eve to produce the 'soul' in humans. Presumably before that they were 'soulless'? Wait! I assumed that God kicked in with the whole soul thing, right? I hope you realise that this poses more questions than it does answers about this whole God and evolution partnership.
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Post by goz on Jan 9, 2019 20:12:51 GMT
Never!
The 'Theory' of evolution is a lie created by the Devil!
You're all going to burn in the fires of Hell for all Eternity!
It was always your destiny to end up a BBQ'd chicken!
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Post by Aj_June on Jan 9, 2019 20:18:06 GMT
I think most "theistic evolutionists" think that the human "body" evolved, but at some point in evolution (time of Adam and Eve) was combined with the "spirit" that did not evolve. The combination of the two creates the "soul"....
Neat confluence of stories there. Evolution doing all the hard work and then God kicks in with Adam and Eve to produce the 'soul' in humans. Presumably before that they were 'soulless'? Wait! I assumed that God kicked in with the whole soul thing, right? I hope you realise that this poses more questions than it does answers about this whole God and evolution partnership. He is objectively reporting what theistic evolutionists believe and not agreeing with them. There isn't a person on this board with a better understanding of evolution than Geode now that Redruth does not post here. He has for years challenged theistic evolutionists and bettered them in past debates.
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Post by goz on Jan 9, 2019 20:22:17 GMT
I was indoctrinated into evolution from the time I was born by my intelligent, science understanding, academic atheist parents. ( my mother had a soft spot for the Presbyterian Church being of Scottish heritage butt she never went and she just thought it historically and culturally 'sweet')
My parents were keen gardeners and naturalisst and my father bred flowers so it was literally by osmosis that I learned my whole life, especially after I started asking questions and getting totally reasonably answers. This was re-enforced by my scientific studies at school and anthropological and sociological studies at university. Although I went to an Anglican school, it was also the top academic school in my State and they managed to separate Church and State ( knowledge and scholarship v religion, by compartmentalising )
My sister ended up being a biological scientist, statistician and geneticist.
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Post by phludowin on Jan 9, 2019 20:30:13 GMT
I think I first heard about Darwin in my 5th school year. Shortly after I heard about the Lamarck theory (without the name Lamarck). When I was a teenager I learned first about the controversies Darwin created among Bible believers.
That's about it.
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Post by geode on Jan 9, 2019 20:58:07 GMT
I think most "theistic evolutionists" think that the human "body" evolved, but at some point in evolution (time of Adam and Eve) was combined with the "spirit" that did not evolve. The combination of the two creates the "soul"....
Neat confluence of stories there. Evolution doing all the hard work and then God kicks in with Adam and Eve to produce the 'soul' in humans. Presumably before that they were 'soulless'? Wait! I assumed that God kicked in with the whole soul thing, right? I hope you realise that this poses more questions than it does answers about this whole God and evolution partnership. I was not making a case for theistic evolution. But since you appear to be an expert on both evolution and theology why don't you explain what is answered by theistic evolution and what is not answered? What questions are posed by holding to this concept?
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Post by Aj_June on Jan 9, 2019 21:20:13 GMT
I think I first heard about Darwin in my 5th school year. Shortly after I heard about the Lamarck theory (without the name Lamarck). When I was a teenager I learned first about the controversies Darwin created among Bible believers. That's about it. If I recall correctly you were not religious even in younger days though you were surrounded by religious folks (Catholics?) in your family. I wonder how you took to evolution? Did you have any issues regarding accepting it or you were fine with it from the first time you read about in school?
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Post by general313 on Jan 9, 2019 23:36:16 GMT
I think most "theistic evolutionists" think that the human "body" evolved, but at some point in evolution (time of Adam and Eve) was combined with the "spirit" that did not evolve. The combination of the two creates the "soul"....
Neat confluence of stories there. Evolution doing all the hard work and then God kicks in with Adam and Eve to produce the 'soul' in humans. Presumably before that they were 'soulless'? Wait! I assumed that God kicked in with the whole soul thing, right? I hope you realise that this poses more questions than it does answers about this whole God and evolution partnership. That's the way of the God of the Gaps. It always works in the dark. As soon as science sheds light on a new frontier, God's work always conveniently retreats into the remaining shadows.
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Post by phludowin on Jan 9, 2019 23:41:53 GMT
I think I first heard about Darwin in my 5th school year. Shortly after I heard about the Lamarck theory (without the name Lamarck). When I was a teenager I learned first about the controversies Darwin created among Bible believers. That's about it. If I recall correctly you were not religious even in younger days though you were surrounded by religious folks (Catholics?) in your family. I wonder how you took to evolution? Did you have any issues regarding accepting it or you were fine with it from the first time you read about in school? I was raised Catholic, and went with it, Communion and Confirmation. I even was an altar boy for a few months. But I started questioning the faith and church when I was about 16. I had heard about evolution by then. I never saw a problem with evolution. And I believe that most European Catholics consider evolution to be God's way to fulfill his creation. Creationism is not important in Europe.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 0:07:22 GMT
Evolution has always been a confusing topic for me because I was never good at understanding scientific topics. I had no knowledge of it even though I was always aware of the term, and I was taught by my older brother that it wasn't real like global warming, but I didn't actually learn more about it until I took an Evolution class in college for a science credit. I remember always being confused because I grew up with a negative impression that it was wrong to believe in it, but learning about it gave me a different perspective. When I told my dad I was taking the class, he told me that the belief in God and belief in evolution are compatible and don't contradict as long as you believe that it was part of God's plan and don't believe that our own souls have evolved since that is what makes us unique in God's image. I think that's where it would be hard to determine where and how our souls were somehow created through the evolution process though. I ended up getting a C in that class so idk if I can say I really get it 😂SS So what are your current thoughts about global warming?
And I am afraid there isn't ever going to be an answer about how our souls evolved through the evolution process because 1) there is no way to identify anything called soul and 2) even if there were, evolution deals with the physical world and not spiritual.
Edit: Nevermind, Geode answered your point better than me.
I don't know much about global warming either, besides that the some parts of the earth can get warmer and others can get colder. The world seems to have its own agenda on what temperature it wants to be, and if we are contributing then it's probably a tiny percentage that has no effect. yeah, the soul is just our unique spirit that makes us different from other animals. And since evolution is only within the physical realm, it's more than enough reason that it doesn't need to conflict with Christian belief
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Post by Arlon10 on Jan 10, 2019 0:10:39 GMT
Neat confluence of stories there. Evolution doing all the hard work and then God kicks in with Adam and Eve to produce the 'soul' in humans. Presumably before that they were 'soulless'? Wait! I assumed that God kicked in with the whole soul thing, right? I hope you realise that this poses more questions than it does answers about this whole God and evolution partnership. He is objectively reporting what theistic evolutionists believe and not agreeing with them. There isn't a person on this board with a better understanding of evolution than Geode now that Redruth does not post here. He has for years challenged theistic evolutionists and bettered them in past debates. 1. People had been breeding plants and animals for centuries before Darwin. 2. The Bible contains a story about how Jacob while tending Laban's flocks bred them for spots because Laban had agreed the ones with spots would become Jacob's property. 4. The notion that theists fail to understand genetics is false. See #1 and #2. 5. The notion that "creationism" and "evolution" are somehow in any competition is the result of people who understand neither religion nor science and should not be allowed to comment on either. 6. Although evolution is reasonably possible with already living things, and many theists understand that, evolution does not work with non living clusters of molecules because the smaller clusters have a competitive advantage over larger ones, and many people theist and otherwise understand that.
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Post by goz on Jan 10, 2019 1:27:12 GMT
Neat confluence of stories there. Evolution doing all the hard work and then God kicks in with Adam and Eve to produce the 'soul' in humans. Presumably before that they were 'soulless'? Wait! I assumed that God kicked in with the whole soul thing, right? I hope you realise that this poses more questions than it does answers about this whole God and evolution partnership. He is objectively reporting what theistic evolutionists believe and not agreeing with them. There isn't a person on this board with a better understanding of evolution than Geode now that Redruth does not post here. He has for years challenged theistic evolutionists and bettered them in past debates. Maybe he will post something that demonstrates this.
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Post by Aj_June on Jan 10, 2019 1:42:53 GMT
He is objectively reporting what theistic evolutionists believe and not agreeing with them. There isn't a person on this board with a better understanding of evolution than Geode now that Redruth does not post here. He has for years challenged theistic evolutionists and bettered them in past debates. Maybe he will post something that demonstrates this. Those of us who are here for years have seen that time and again. And he doesn't need to demonstrate anything to a moron like you. You poor fool couldn't even see "theistic evolutionists" was put in inverted comma for a purpose.
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Post by Aj_June on Jan 10, 2019 1:48:25 GMT
So what are your current thoughts about global warming?
And I am afraid there isn't ever going to be an answer about how our souls evolved through the evolution process because 1) there is no way to identify anything called soul and 2) even if there were, evolution deals with the physical world and not spiritual.
Edit: Nevermind, Geode answered your point better than me.
I don't know much about global warming either, besides that the some parts of the earth can get warmer and others can get colder. The world seems to have its own agenda on what temperature it wants to be, and if we are contributing then it's probably a tiny percentage that has no effect. yeah, the soul is just our unique spirit that makes us different from other animals. And since evolution is only within the physical realm, it's more than enough reason that it doesn't need to conflict with Christian belief You are right in that humans make just a tiny percentage of effect on the environment. But they aren't supposed to do that either. Sometimes things are at breakoff point and even a bit of force from an unexpected agency can make all the difference. I just hope we mend our ways and start caring about actions we take so that environment remains clean and the future generations don't have to pay for our fault.
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Post by goz on Jan 10, 2019 1:51:12 GMT
Maybe he will post something that demonstrates this. Those of us who are here for years have seen that time and again. And he doesn't need to demonstrate anything to a moron like you. You poor fool couldn't even see "theistic evolutionists" was put in inverted comma for a purpose. Gee AJ. Back to the insults again so soon? I guess 2020 is a long way away when you might need a friendly face in Sydney! It is a prerequisite of effective posting on a message board that you don't reply on past reputation to ensure a meaning to your post. I remember Geode, I remember a variety of things about him and I have been posting on IMDb and here for 17 years. He straight up came on strong to me on this thread when I questioned something he posted about theistic evolution. I don't appreciate it and appreciate it even less that you take up his confused posting cause.
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Post by Aj_June on Jan 10, 2019 2:00:01 GMT
Those of us who are here for years have seen that time and again. And he doesn't need to demonstrate anything to a moron like you. You poor fool couldn't even see "theistic evolutionists" was put in inverted comma for a purpose. Gee AJ. Back to the insults again so soon? I guess 2020 is a long way away when you might need a friendly face in Sydney! It is a prerequisite of effective posting on a message board that you don't reply on past reputation to ensure a meaning to your post. I remember Geode, I remember a variety of things about him and I have been posting on IMDb and here for 17 years. He straight up came on strong to me on this thread when I questioned something he posted about theistic evolution. I don't appreciate it and appreciate it even less that you take up his confused posting cause. Don't pity yourself too much for your insult was deserved for your arrogance. You misread someone's post and then didn't even have the courtesy to acknowledge least apologize for that. He ddn't came strong on you because you posted something about "theistic evolution" as you are trying to suggest. It is because you misread his post which was objetively explaining the position of theistic evolution. You thought as if he was holding the stance. I told you that and you sill demanded further proofs because you are full of ego. I further even hinted to you that you missed that theistic evolution was put in inverted comma to essentially signifying that it is not evolution but bullshit. That's why he put it brackets. And no there's isn't any confused posting from his side. Go ask some board veteran such as Sulla what stance Geode has in case you missed the board history here.
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Post by goz on Jan 10, 2019 2:05:54 GMT
Gee AJ. Back to the insults again so soon? I guess 2020 is a long way away when you might need a friendly face in Sydney! It is a prerequisite of effective posting on a message board that you don't reply on past reputation to ensure a meaning to your post. I remember Geode, I remember a variety of things about him and I have been posting on IMDb and here for 17 years. He straight up came on strong to me on this thread when I questioned something he posted about theistic evolution. I don't appreciate it and appreciate it even less that you take up his confused posting cause. Don't pity yourself too much for your insult was deserved for your arrogance. You misread someone's post and then didn't even have the courtesy to acknowledge least apologize for that. He ddn't came strong on you because you posted something about "theistic evolution" as you are trying to suggest. It is because you misread his post which was objetively explaining the position of theistic evolution. You thought as if he was holding the stance. I told you that and you sill demanded further proofs because you are full of ego. I further even hinted to you that you missed that theistic evolution was put in inverted comma to essentially signifying that it is not evolution but bullshit. That's why he put it brackets. And no there's isn't any confused posting from his side. Go ask some board veteran such as Sulla what stance Geode has in case you missed the board history here. I did not misread it...I took the contents at face value as you are supposed to do and not read shit into it that isn't there. I suggest you mind your own business and let him answer me.
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Post by Aj_June on Jan 10, 2019 2:10:24 GMT
Don't pity yourself too much for your insult was deserved for your arrogance. You misread someone's post and then didn't even have the courtesy to acknowledge least apologize for that. He ddn't came strong on you because you posted something about "theistic evolution" as you are trying to suggest. It is because you misread his post which was objetively explaining the position of theistic evolution. You thought as if he was holding the stance. I told you that and you sill demanded further proofs because you are full of ego. I further even hinted to you that you missed that theistic evolution was put in inverted comma to essentially signifying that it is not evolution but bullshit. That's why he put it brackets. And no there's isn't any confused posting from his side. Go ask some board veteran such as Sulla what stance Geode has in case you missed the board history here. I did not misread it...I took the contents at face value as you are supposed to do and not read shit into it that isn't there. I suggest you mind your own business and let him answer me. That you continue to act like an idiot is just all the more funnier. That you can't understand when people are objectively reporting something only tells of your IQ. And no I won't mind my business. This is a public board. Don't want to read my posts then get lost or put me on ignore.
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Post by goz on Jan 10, 2019 3:42:44 GMT
I did not misread it...I took the contents at face value as you are supposed to do and not read shit into it that isn't there. I suggest you mind your own business and let him answer me. That you continue to act like an idiot is just all the more funnier. That you can't understand when people are objectively reporting something only tells of your IQ. And no I won't mind my business. This is a public board. Don't want to read my posts then get lost or put me on ignore. You have 'tickets' on yourself, as if you run this Board and how internet conversations evolve. I will just ignore you!
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Post by Aj_June on Jan 10, 2019 3:48:04 GMT
That you continue to act like an idiot is just all the more funnier. That you can't understand when people are objectively reporting something only tells of your IQ. And no I won't mind my business. This is a public board. Don't want to read my posts then get lost or put me on ignore. You have 'tickets' on yourself, as if you run this Board and how internet conversations evolve. I will just ignore you! You have no clue when people make objective statements and then charge those people who objectively report something of holding a stance which they are mocking in the first place. When simple things are pointed out to you then instead of accepting your mistake you double down on your stupidity. One and only Ada could have possibly been so idiotic. Your ignore doesn't make any difference to me.
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