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Post by goz on Jan 11, 2019 2:14:12 GMT
I don't 'get' it!
Is it because they want to get rid of the rest of us heathens and 'other faiths' and live on earth and in Heaven with God or whatever they call him?
Is it a testament to their faith that they have to commit to this? to be 'saved' etc or one of the survivors?
Now that Tas is back and the closet JW Cool, perhaps someone can actually explain it to me?
To me it is inexplicably illogical. I am obviously 'missing' something.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 2:15:51 GMT
Plenty of christians do the same thing. It's a pretty standard religious tactic - "something terrible is coming, and you can only avoid it by joining us!". Very helpful in controlling people.
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Post by Vegas on Jan 11, 2019 2:20:15 GMT
I know... It's crazy, right?
Man... What kind of idiots want to see the end of all evil and the start of an eternal paradise?
Bastards!
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Post by captainbryce on Jan 11, 2019 2:24:37 GMT
In fairness to the JWs (and closet JWs; and JW supporters, or however he likes to identify himself), it's almost all Protestant Christians who do this. My grandmother (RIP) was constantly talking about how such and such was a "sign of the times", and how we are living in the "end of days" and all this nonsense. I mean she was a very devout Christian and honestly believed all this stuff.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jan 11, 2019 2:24:50 GMT
I don't 'get' it! Is it because they want to get rid of the rest of us heathens and 'other faiths' and live on earth and in Heaven with God or whatever they call him? Is it a testament to their faith that they have to commit to this? to be 'saved' etc or one of the survivors? Now that Tas is back and the closet JW Cool, perhaps someone can actually explain it to me? To me it is inexplicably illogical. I am obviously 'missing' something. I was not aware very many people did that. Some do, but some people are going to do all sorts of things. Not exactly "end times" as you mean it, but some, actually a lot of, people think about when we run out of fossil fuels, et cetera. |
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Post by goz on Jan 11, 2019 2:31:04 GMT
Plenty of christians do the same thing. It's a pretty standard religious tactic - "something terrible is coming, and you can only avoid it by joining us!". Very helpful in controlling people. Yeah it's not limited to Jehovah's Witnesses. At least not in my experience. I understand the concept in terms of emotional blackmail, however the JWs seem to have it all codified, set dates, and have a major takeover planned! |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 11, 2019 2:42:07 GMT
Yeah it's not limited to Jehovah's Witnesses. At least not in my experience. I understand the concept in terms of emotional blackmail, however the JWs seem to have it all codified, set dates, and have a major takeover planned! They want an end to this wicked system of things. There's a difference. They don't have any dates and have no power to takeover anything. They just had their butts handed to them in Russia with arrests and property confiscations, and it was so inconsequential, Putin didn't even notice. You should just go here. www.jw.org/en/It's a very easy site to navigate. |
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Post by goz on Jan 11, 2019 2:48:08 GMT
I understand the concept in terms of emotional blackmail, however the JWs seem to have it all codified, set dates, and have a major takeover planned! They want an end to this wicked system of things. There's a difference. They don't have any dates and have no power to takeover anything. They just had their butts handed to them in Russia with arrests and property confiscations, and it was so inconsequential, Putin didn't even notice. You should just go here. www.jw.org/en/It's a very easy site to navigate. What wicked system of things are you referring to? |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 11, 2019 3:03:45 GMT
They want an end to this wicked system of things. There's a difference. They don't have any dates and have no power to takeover anything. They just had their butts handed to them in Russia with arrests and property confiscations, and it was so inconsequential, Putin didn't even notice. You should just go here. www.jw.org/en/It's a very easy site to navigate. What wicked system of things are you referring to? |
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Post by goz on Jan 11, 2019 3:08:50 GMT
Fucking what? I did you the courtesy of opening that link because I am reasonably genuine in my quest to understand this shit and I can't wade through all that! Without being brainwashed it is meaningless to anyone else. Just tell me what 'wicked system' has got your collective JW knickers in a knot! |
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Post by Isapop on Jan 11, 2019 12:10:50 GMT
They want an end to this wicked system of things. There's a difference. They don't have any dates and have no power to takeover anything. They just had their butts handed to them in Russia with arrests and property confiscations, and it was so inconsequential, Putin didn't even notice. You should just go here. www.jw.org/en/It's a very easy site to navigate. What wicked system of things are you referring to? The "wicked system" is simply civilization, the world we have built. It's all in Satan's power. It must all be demolished by God (Armageddon) to be replaced with God's new civilization. And if you and your kids want to survive the transition, you have to pledge allegiance to the new world beforehand. You can ask looking4klingons for more info. He's not merely a JW, but he's an elder in his church, which means he has teaching and disciplining authority.
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Post by Aj_June on Jan 11, 2019 12:16:30 GMT
In fairness to the JWs (and closet JWs; and JW supporters, or however he likes to identify himself), it's almost all Protestant Christians who do this. My grandmother (RIP) was constantly talking about how such and such was a "sign of the times", and how we are living in the "end of days" and all this nonsense. I mean she was a very devout Christian and honestly believed all this stuff. I agree with you that it not just JW thing but also a Protestant thing even though JW seem to be slightly more invested in the end of the world thing. Also, it is more of a thing among American Christians (especially non-Catholic Americans) than of non-American Christians. |
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Post by Aj_June on Jan 11, 2019 12:27:13 GMT
Some part of it may be explained in their educational status and their average household income. They are at the dead bottom in the US in terms of average household income and almost dead bottom in terms of education.   |
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Post by Stammerhead on Jan 11, 2019 12:38:59 GMT
I know... It's crazy, right? Man... What kind of idiots want to see the end of all evil and the start of an eternal paradise? Bastards! I would be nice if we could achieve this without killing off most of humanity though.  |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 11, 2019 13:25:50 GMT
I know... It's crazy, right? Man... What kind of idiots want to see the end of all evil and the start of an eternal paradise? Bastards! I would be nice if we could achieve this without killing off most of humanity though. Regardless of belief this is never going to happen. However if a religion is just waiting around for God to handle it that’s probably going to be the one people should be least worried about and especially since they are one of the smallest large religions out there. Whether they have faith in humanity or not, 8 million pacifists on the planet is always going to be a good thing except for people with tender feelings. |
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Post by Vegas on Jan 11, 2019 15:28:23 GMT
Some part of it may be explained in their educational status and their average household income. They are at the dead bottom in the US in terms of average household income and almost dead bottom in terms of education.
Well... Yeah. That makes sense: Careers, and higher education to pursue those careers, aren't their priority. Their main focus, their life's purpose, it their preaching work... Now.. Here's where I have an issue with "The End of The System Is Here" mentalities: Baby Boomers being told not to worry about careers and education because the world is ending soon... are now at retirement age.. with no real retirement plan.. You know who has plenty of time for the preaching work?... People who don't need to work because they can now afford not to.  |
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Post by Vegas on Jan 11, 2019 15:37:32 GMT
I would be nice if we could achieve this without killing off most of humanity though. I don't claim to know the specifics of "Who makes it" and "Who doesn't"...  I do know that humanity has a terrible track record when it comes to how it treats humanity. If it all turns out to be true... I hope the qualifications aren't that stiff... 'cause I ain't making it.  BUT: If we have to lose a few murderers, thieves, and rapists to gain everlasting life in a paradise... So be it. Broken eggs for a better omelet. |
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Post by thefleetsin on Jan 11, 2019 15:58:25 GMT
some folks love groveling at the feet of imaginary play friends. especially those who promise to make everything all better in the end.
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Post by Isapop on Jan 11, 2019 16:08:54 GMT
I would be nice if we could achieve this without killing off most of humanity though. If it all turns out to be true... I hope the qualifications aren't that stiff... 'cause I ain't making it. I had two thoughts when I saw you post this, one snarky, and one non-snarky. I was having trouble deciding which response to go with when I thought, "What the hell, why not let Vegas see them both?" So first, here's the non-snarky reply when you say: If the part about Jehovah God being "loving and just" turns out to be true, then Armageddon as envisioned by The Watchtower won't happen, because their idea of the mass execution of unsuspecting billions is completely irreconcilable with love and justice. So the average Joe and family have reason to breathe easy.
And here's the snarky reply: I hope you'll remember you said this the next time I say essentially the same thing, only saying it not on my own behalf, but on behalf of the billions of children and infants who also "ain't making it". Maybe then you'll cease responding with one of those "crybaby" emoticons.
There they are, take your pick.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 11, 2019 16:25:25 GMT
Some part of it may be explained in their educational status and their average household income. They are at the dead bottom in the US in terms of average household income and almost dead bottom in terms of education. youre talking crazy again. They are not dead bottom education. They have the prevailing education standard meaning they are all at a minimum high school graduates as your chart clearly indicates. If they are full time pioneers they usually work part time meaning less income for something that makes them happier which iis a goal everyone should have. Granted the volunteers at their various properties usually take vows of poverty like most religious volunteers and hence don’t make much but they are also completely taken care of with food, housing, laundry, training, plus hardworking parents giving them money. Everybody else is working like everyone else and you seem to be whining about them not caring about money as much as you. |
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