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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 11, 2019 16:27:25 GMT
Some part of it may be explained in their educational status and their average household income. They are at the dead bottom in the US in terms of average household income and almost dead bottom in terms of education. youre talking crazy again. They are not dead bottom education. They have the prevailing education standard meaning they are all at a minimum high school graduates as your chart clearly indicates. If they are full time pioneers they usually work part time meaning less income for something that makes them happier which iis a goal everyone should have. Granted the volunteers at their various properties usually take vows of poverty like most religious volunteers and hence don’t make much but they are also completely taken care of with food, housing, laundry, training, plus hardworking parents giving them money. Everybody else is working like everyone else.
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Post by Aj_June on Jan 11, 2019 16:43:43 GMT
lmost lmost Some part of it may be explained in their educational status and their average household income. They are at the dead bottom in the US in terms of average household income and almost dead bottom in terms of education. youre talking crazy again. They are not dead bottom education. They have the prevailing education standard meaning they are all at a minimum high school graduates as your chart clearly indicates. If they are full time pioneers they usually work part time meaning less income for something that makes them happier which iis a goal everyone should have. Granted the volunteers at their various properties usually take vows of poverty like most religious volunteers and hence don’t make much but they are also completely taken care of with food, housing, laundry, training, plus hardworking parents giving them money. Everybody else is working like everyone else and you seem to be whining about them not caring about money as much as you. Hold on my man, you take offense at everything. Not every person judges education by seeing educational qualifications at high school level. JW are almost at dead bottom when it comes to higher education as compared to other communities. That's how surveys analyze educational qualifications of various groups. If you see the graph it is arranged according to educational qualification at post-graduate level. JW are worst on that criteria. The lack of higher education is also the chief reason why they are so low on average and median household income. Here: JW are very smart people. They are doing wonders in society. They are taking education to unprecedented levels, Happy now? I was talking crazy and people who do research on various communities talk crazy. It is not because we are objective or unbiased people. It is because we are hateful and biased people. Unlike you, who is not emotional about these things.
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Post by general313 on Jan 11, 2019 17:02:08 GMT
In fairness to the JWs (and closet JWs; and JW supporters, or however he likes to identify himself), it's almost all Protestant Christians who do this. My grandmother (RIP) was constantly talking about how such and such was a "sign of the times", and how we are living in the "end of days" and all this nonsense. I mean she was a very devout Christian and honestly believed all this stuff. I agree with you that it not just JW thing but also a Protestant thing even though JW seem to be slightly more invested in the end of the world thing. Also, it is more of a thing among American Christians (especially non-Catholic Americans) than of non-American Christians. Go wider still! One of the early end-of-time hysterias happened around the year 1000, and was apparently pretty widespread. Supposedly a certain Robert of France (son of Hugh Capet) gave up his states and entered a monastery. Neither Prostestantism nor America (the nation) existed at the time.
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Post by Aj_June on Jan 11, 2019 17:17:49 GMT
I agree with you that it not just JW thing but also a Protestant thing even though JW seem to be slightly more invested in the end of the world thing. Also, it is more of a thing among American Christians (especially non-Catholic Americans) than of non-American Christians. Go wider still! One of the early end-of-time hysterias happened around the year 1000, and was apparently pretty widespread. Supposedly a certain Robert of France (son of Hugh Capet) gave up his states and entered a monastery. Neither Prostestantism nor America (the nation) existed at the time. Thanks. I have got my short wiki search material for the night.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 11, 2019 17:35:18 GMT
Some part of it may be explained in their educational status and their average household income. They are at the dead bottom in the US in terms of average household income and almost dead bottom in terms of education.
Well... Yeah. That makes sense: Careers, and higher education to pursue those careers, aren't their priority. Their main focus, their life's purpose, it their preaching work... Now.. Here's where I have an issue with "The End of The System Is Here" mentalities: Baby Boomers being told not to worry about careers and education because the world is ending soon... are now at retirement age.. with no real retirement plan.. You know who has plenty of time for the preaching work?... People who don't need to work because they can now afford not to. well most of them work full time jobs. Only about 10% are full time ministers/missionaries. So 90% of them are working the same way everyone else is meaning they have the same retirements everyone else has. The ones who are self-employed are facing the same issues as any other person who is self employed. Their lives are based on the same exact great or sucky infrastructure the rest of us have to deal with and as far as I can tell they aren’t told to not have life insurance or a retirement plan since they only hope that Armageddon is soon. The ones who work for the organization are taken care of as well. When we went to Walkhill they had a retirement home with doctors and nurses for all the old people there. One of our friends was a physical therapist so we got to eat lunch there as a perk. And before the “accusations” fly anybody can visit their facilities. We took a bunch of family to NYC and a prerequisite for the Witness family members was a trip to Walkill which you run into before NYC and Brooklyn which they were about to sell.
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Post by Vegas on Jan 11, 2019 20:32:20 GMT
If it all turns out to be true... I hope the qualifications aren't that stiff... 'cause I ain't making it. I had two thoughts when I saw you post this, one snarky, and one non-snarky. I was having trouble deciding which response to go with when I thought, "What the hell, why not let Vegas see them both?" So first, here's the non-snarky reply when you say: If the part about Jehovah God being "loving and just" turns out to be true, then Armageddon as envisioned by The Watchtower won't happen, because their idea of the mass execution of unsuspecting billions is completely irreconcilable with love and justice. So the average Joe and family have reason to breathe easy.
And here's the snarky reply: I hope you'll remember you said this the next time I say essentially the same thing, only saying it not on my own behalf, but on behalf of the billions of children and infants who also "ain't making it". Maybe then you'll cease responding with one of those "crybaby" emoticons.
There they are, take your pick.
Jesus... What a crybaby.
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Post by goz on Jan 11, 2019 21:00:44 GMT
I know... It's crazy, right? Man... What kind of idiots want to see the end of all evil and the start of an eternal paradise? Bastards! I would be nice if we could achieve this without killing off most of humanity though. That would seem to be somewhat counterproductive, however if the JWs have the advantage of the rest of the population except THEM being wiped out, it is somewhat understandable. A convenient, simple and elegant solution.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jan 14, 2019 2:30:59 GMT
If the New Orleans Saints beat the Kansas City Chiefs in the Superbowl it will signal a long road ahead for Patrick Mahomes.
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Post by geode on Jan 14, 2019 9:22:46 GMT
Some part of it may be explained in their educational status and their average household income. They are at the dead bottom in the US in terms of average household income and almost dead bottom in terms of education.
Well... Yeah. That makes sense: Careers, and higher education to pursue those careers, aren't their priority. Their main focus, their life's purpose, it their preaching work... Now.. Here's where I have an issue with "The End of The System Is Here" mentalities: Baby Boomers being told not to worry about careers and education because the world is ending soon... are now at retirement age.. with no real retirement plan.. You know who has plenty of time for the preaching work?... People who don't need to work because they can now afford not to. When I was studying for my degree in geology the brightest all of us majoring in the subject was Randy, a JW. He dropped out and moved to some rural location to await the end. Unlike other Christian denominations the JWs have listed specific dates....that of course come and go with nothing like the "end" occurring. I agree that this practice has been dangerous to the welfare of their members in telling them that they need not plan for a future before it all ends. I don't know if Randy ever went back to college as the JWs discourage higher education and advise members to not go to college.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 14, 2019 9:33:26 GMT
Plenty of christians do the same thing. It's a pretty standard religious tactic - "something terrible is coming, and you can only avoid it by joining us!". Very helpful in controlling people. Yeah it's not limited to Jehovah's Witnesses. At least not in my experience. Does the filthy pig calling itself Graham lack the free will to prevent itself from being controlled?
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Post by geode on Jan 14, 2019 9:38:43 GMT
Some part of it may be explained in their educational status and their average household income. They are at the dead bottom in the US in terms of average household income and almost dead bottom in terms of education. Here is an explanation why JWs lag behind the other groups. The Watchtower actively discourages their members seeking a college education. "It is no shame for a person to learn a trade and work with his hands. Indeed, these days it is getting to be the practical thing to do. That is another reason why some parents now have second thoughts about this matter of a college education. They choose to channel their boys and girls into more useful trades in high school where such things can be learned, at least in part. After graduating from high school, they may continue briefly in a trade school or get valuable on-the-job training. Then they qualify for a trade and avoid the anguish often suffered in executive-type positions. Parents who are Jehovah’s witnesses have another very sound reason for channeling their children’s lives into useful trades. They know from fulfilled Bible prophecy that today’s industrial society is near its end. Soon it will be given its death stroke by Almighty God himself. (Prov. 2:20, 21; 1 John 2:17) After that, in God’s new order a reconstruction work will be done to transform this entire earth into a paradise. (Luke 23:43) Trades of many types will be very useful then, as will skills in agriculture and homemaking. So by guiding their children away from the so-called ‘higher’ education of today, these parents spare their children exposure to an increasingly demoralizing atmosphere, and at the same time prepare them for life in a new system ats well." I think that their real distrust of colleges and universities is that those who attend are introduced to many new ideas and start to question what they have been taught as children. Watchtower distrusts college
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Post by Aj_June on Jan 14, 2019 10:24:51 GMT
Some part of it may be explained in their educational status and their average household income. They are at the dead bottom in the US in terms of average household income and almost dead bottom in terms of education. Here is an explanation why JWs lag behind the other groups. The Watchtower actively discourages their members seeking a college education. "It is no shame for a person to learn a trade and work with his hands. Indeed, these days it is getting to be the practical thing to do. That is another reason why some parents now have second thoughts about this matter of a college education. They choose to channel their boys and girls into more useful trades in high school where such things can be learned, at least in part. After graduating from high school, they may continue briefly in a trade school or get valuable on-the-job training. Then they qualify for a trade and avoid the anguish often suffered in executive-type positions. Parents who are Jehovah’s witnesses have another very sound reason for channeling their children’s lives into useful trades. They know from fulfilled Bible prophecy that today’s industrial society is near its end. Soon it will be given its death stroke by Almighty God himself. (Prov. 2:20, 21; 1 John 2:17) After that, in God’s new order a reconstruction work will be done to transform this entire earth into a paradise. (Luke 23:43) Trades of many types will be very useful then, as will skills in agriculture and homemaking. So by guiding their children away from the so-called ‘higher’ education of today, these parents spare their children exposure to an increasingly demoralizing atmosphere, and at the same time prepare them for life in a new system ats well." I think that their real distrust of colleges and universities is that those who attend are introduced to many new ideas and start to question what they have been taught as children. Watchtower distrusts collegeThanks for that info. It seems as if the cause and effect relationship is working strongly in this case. If you remove the category called "Some College" which could apply to someone taking even 1 credit, the percent of JW who are graduate or above is the worst among all religious groups at 9%.
It could be very true especially given that the JW have the worst retention rate among all religious groups and most of the people who were raised as JW eventually break away from the organisation.
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Post by Stammerhead on Jan 14, 2019 10:48:36 GMT
I would be nice if we could achieve this without killing off most of humanity though. That would seem to be somewhat counterproductive, however if the JWs have the advantage of the rest of the population except THEM being wiped out, it is somewhat understandable. A convenient, simple and elegant solution. That’s only if their plan works out the way it’s supposed to. If I do go to Hell I’m expecting to see a lot of disappointed believers in the crowd.
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Post by general313 on Jan 14, 2019 16:36:54 GMT
That's just so sick. I didn't realize the JW's are that fucked up. I imagine they might watch The Handmaid's Tale and not notice the anti-authoritarian message.
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Post by goz on Jan 14, 2019 20:39:51 GMT
Yeah it's not limited to Jehovah's Witnesses. At least not in my experience. Does the filthy pig calling itself Graham lack the free will to prevent itself from being controlled? erjenious, shall we look at this really nasty post and blame the Stellas? or are you really such a pathetic degenerate that you call people filthy pig in an uncalled for attack?
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