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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 20, 2019 17:11:56 GMT
They really downplayed Thor's hair color after the first movie, same with Steve Rogers, and they went the complete opposite way from the comics with Momoa as Aquaman. We also seem to have decided at some point that Barry Allen was dark haired. Do we not like true blonde dudes as superheroes?!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 17:39:11 GMT
In Thor's case, it worked out so well that I'm almost certain the scene was an excuse for Chris Hemsworth to have his hair cut in real life.
I completely forgot about Aquaman being blonde. Apparently, Jason Momoa as Aquaman will do that.
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Post by politicidal on Jan 21, 2019 3:02:36 GMT
Prime has some thoughts on the matter I'm sure.
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Post by merh on Jan 21, 2019 4:40:52 GMT
Paranoid?
Thor has had short hair in the comics.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jan 21, 2019 6:54:45 GMT
I always thought that male superheroes are more likely to be blonde so that blonde children could relate to them. That’s why there are more of them than would appear amongst the typical adult male demographic. Most who were blonde as children have brown hair as adults.
It’s difficult to get naturally blonde actors for roles as they are only a small percent of the population. Chris Evans and Chris Hemsworth are more brown-haired than blonde.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 21, 2019 7:24:10 GMT
I always thought that male superheroes are more likely to be blonde so that blonde children could relate to them. That’s why there are more of them than would appear amongst the typical adult male demographic. Most who were blonde as children have brown hair as adults. It’s difficult to get naturally blonde actors for roles as they are only a small percent of the population. Chris Evans and Chris Hemsworth are more brown-haired than blonde. Yeah I was just watching scenes from the Thor movies and it was crazy to me how blonde he was in the first one. Even his eyebrows were blonde. I mean, it looked awful, but I couldn't stop thinking about how blonde some of these characters are in the comic books when compared to live-action. Especially Aquaman and Barry Allen who aren't even sort of blonde anymore lol. Anyways like I said in my title.. it was just a silly thought.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jan 21, 2019 7:49:02 GMT
Do we not like true blonde dudes as superheroes?!
Flash Gordon was blonde. Doc Savage was blonde. Though neither were super heroes.
The public doesn't dislike blondes (a common hair color in Western Europe).
The media owners don't like them. They get triggered--like they are seeing an Aryan Third Reich poster or something.
Also a reason why blonde women are usually depicted as airheads or promiscuous.
In the case of Thor of the comics--he was originally a blonde guy but crippled. Steve Rogers was blonde but started out as a weakling.
There's always a qualification for the blondie.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 21, 2019 8:26:03 GMT
Do we not like true blonde dudes as superheroes?!
Flash Gordon was blonde. Doc Savage was blonde. Though neither were super heroes.
The public doesn't dislike blondes (a common hair color in Western Europe).
The media owners don't like them. They get triggered--like they are seeing an Aryan Third Reich poster or something.
Also a reason why blonde women are usually depicted as airheads or promiscuous.
In the case of Thor of the comics--he was originally a blonde guy but crippled. Steve Rogers was blonde but started out as a weakling.
There's always a qualification for the blondie.
It's been a while since we've seen Flash Gordon in live-action. And isn't Shane Black making a Doc Savage movie with Dwayne Johnson as the character? All those characters were just legit luxuriously blonde in the comics. The blondest male superhero we have now is Star-Lord, and that's definitely a dirtier blonde lol. Clearly, the comic book studios are discriminating against blonde males. I'm outraged. I feel outraged. #SuperBlondeBro #BlondeToo #BlondeMalesMatter #OscarsSoBrunette
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jan 21, 2019 8:40:11 GMT
It's been a while since we've seen Flash Gordon in live-action. And isn't Shane Black making a Doc Savage movie with Dwayne Johnson as the character? All those characters were just legit luxuriously blonde in the comics. The blondest male superhero we have now is Star-Lord, and that's definitely a dirtier blonde lol. Clearly, the comic book studios are discriminating against blonde males. I'm outraged. I feel outraged. It's been going on for decades. The Flash Gordon of 1980 was a dummy. Doc Savage of 1975 was not, but they made the movie jokey.
It's hard to think of exceptions. Even the ones that are not blonde tend to be goofy, weak, neurotic. Remember Cyclops in the X-men movies? Even with his eye trouble they made him kind of an ineffective guy.
Flash Gordon of Buster Crabbe wasn't neurotic I don't think but that was a cheap studio.
Dwayne Johnson is Hawaiian something so there's no trigger effect by the bosses.
Guaranteed we won't be seeing any Ron Ely types from the major studios in years to come. I should really make bets with naive folk who don't believe it since I could use the money.
I think we can set our watches to this diversity messaging, that's how dependable it is.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 21, 2019 9:26:27 GMT
Do we not like true blonde dudes as superheroes?!
Flash Gordon was blonde. Doc Savage was blonde. Though neither were super heroes.
The public doesn't dislike blondes (a common hair color in Western Europe).
The media owners don't like them. They get triggered--like they are seeing an Aryan Third Reich poster or something.
Also a reason why blonde women are usually depicted as airheads or promiscuous.
In the case of Thor of the comics--he was originally a blonde guy but crippled. Steve Rogers was blonde but started out as a weakling.
There's always a qualification for the blondie.
He's animated, but also, the one in Into the Spider-verse and what happened to him.
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 21, 2019 17:20:21 GMT
For most of these blonde characters (Steve Rogers, Aquaman, Barry Allen, etc.) it's fine even if they're not blonde because it's not really a defining characteristic for them. That's not true for the case of Thor however, as his blonde hair is an iconic part of his looks. That's why he gets such nicknames as "goldilocks".
I mean, they don't exactly need to make him completely blonde like in the first Thor film but I felt his hair in Age of Ultron was the best of the bunch (while his hair in Avengers was the worst). And while I understand why they cut his hair in Ragnarok, I don't understand why it turned a full dark brown in color. Couldn't they have at least put a few blonde highlights in there or lightened his hair color a bit? It's not like Hemsworth hasn't sported short blond hair before.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 21, 2019 17:41:34 GMT
They really downplayed Thor's hair color after the first movie, same with Steve Rogers, and they went the complete opposite way from the comics with Momoa as Aquaman. We also seem to have decided at some point that Barry Allen was dark haired. Do we not like true blonde dudes as superheroes?! I don't think we hate them, but I do think that there are two connotations that blonde haired male heroes have...
A) Something vaguely effeminate and B) Something vaguely Aryan
Neither are over the top, but what with Hollywood trying to appeal to everyone, better to skew "not those things"...
The term goes "tall, DARK and handsome" not "tall, lite and handsome".
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 21, 2019 18:41:12 GMT
They really downplayed Thor's hair color after the first movie, same with Steve Rogers, and they went the complete opposite way from the comics with Momoa as Aquaman. We also seem to have decided at some point that Barry Allen was dark haired. Do we not like true blonde dudes as superheroes?! I don't think we hate them, but I do think that there are two connotations that blonde haired male heroes have...
A) Something vaguely effeminate and B) Something vaguely Aryan
Neither are over the top, but what with Hollywood trying to appeal to everyone, better to skew "not those things"...
The term goes "tall, DARK and handsome" not "tall, lite and handsome".
Yeah I don’t mind it. Truthfully I don’t even know a truly blonde dude in real life so they are probably hard to come by. But man what an odd thing for an entire genre of films to be lacking lol. Dammnnn we even turned Constantine into Keanu Reeves!! #Blondie4Lyf #BringBackBlonde #BlondeAintGone Blonde Justin Hartley for Adam Warlock AND Booster Gold! Recast Flash with Eric Christian Olsen! Aaron Carter for Nightwing because blonde is beautiful!.... wait... ohhhhhh... it’s because blonde guys look like Aaron Carter. I get it now. EDIT: Seriously though this ridiculous thread made me realize that Justin Hartley would be a pretty dope Booster Gold.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jan 21, 2019 19:25:14 GMT
CH and CE were never blonde to begin with.
Just like SJ was not a redhead.
Once the characters were established, they let them gradually return to their real hair colors.
JM is a separate case, ZS cast him to ( try to ) make Aquaman into a badass.
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 21, 2019 19:46:13 GMT
CH and CE were never blonde to begin with. Just like SJ was not a redhead. Once the characters were established, they let them gradually return to their real hair colors. JM is a separate case, ZS cast him to ( try to ) make Aquaman into a badass. For most of these blonde characters (Steve Rogers, Aquaman, Barry Allen, etc.) it's fine even if they're not blonde because it's not really a defining characteristic for them. That's not true for the case of Thor however, as his blonde hair is an iconic part of his looks. That's why he gets such nicknames as "goldilocks". I mean, they don't exactly need to make him completely blonde like in the first Thor film but I felt his hair in Age of Ultron was the best of the bunch (while his hair in Avengers was the worst). And while I understand why they cut his hair in Ragnarok, I don't understand why it turned a full dark brown in color. Couldn't they have at least put a few blonde highlights in there or lightened his hair color a bit? It's not like Hemsworth hasn't sported short blond hair before.
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Post by leesilm on Jan 21, 2019 19:52:45 GMT
Wonder Woman got to keep her blond-Steve Trevor (granted, his was a dirty blond in the movie, but that's cause Chris Pine isn't a natural blond, so they probably got as close as they dared without making him look like he was wearing the world's worst bleach job), and Black Widow became a blonde for some reason in INFINITY WAR.
I think, sometimes with the new movies, it is because of them not-hiring blond actors. Think back to FANTASTIC FOUR with Chris Evans & Jessica Alba, neither are natural blonds and both were made to have blond hair for the movies. They played a little with Chris Evans's because they could cut his so short that you didn't notice so much that it was a dark-blond, but Alba was made fun of by fans/moviegoers for the horribly fake looking blonde hair and blue contacts utilized to make her look more like the comic book character, and they darkened her hair a few shades in the sequel, as well as Evans's, and it looks more natural on him, less distracting on her.
For THOR, Hemsworth had blindingly white-blond hair in the movie and it looked horribly fake. Hiddleston's ink-black and chemically straightened hair looked fine, Hemsworths brown, straight hair turned blond looked like he had taken frosted tips a bit too far or like a dark haired guy who got lost at sea for a couple weeks, then got to be in the shade for a few weeks. In the second THOR, they tamed down the bleach job and it looks much better. In THOR3/INFINITY WAR, I think they also wanted to further distance him from his Princely/heroic look-- he has darker colors, his metal pieces aren't as shiny/polished, his eyes aren't lit to make them as pale-blue looking so he has darker (stormier, shall we say?) blue eyes, his hair darkens, and he doesn't smile anymore.... I suspect it was much the same for Steve, in AVENGERS he just woke up less than a month ago so he's basically FIRST AVENGER Steve with culture shock and grief-stricken. By WINTER SOLDIER, he is sporting a more modern haircut but the color is a bit more honey-blond than gold-blond, and by ULTRON it actually had some hints of brown at the back of his head with only the top layer retaining the amber/honey color, but he's also wearing a darker uniform (WINTER SOLDIER he sports his stealth suit that is all navy/dark blue with hints of scarlet - in ULTRON it is a darker blue with an off-white and dark-red stripes/etc., compared to his blinding AVENGERS 1 suit that was brighter than his FIRST AVENGER suit as it was made by a man who was going off his idealized versions of the war bond posters and playing cards), and in INFINITY WAR he has a grungy uniform and has been undercover/on the run for a long time so he may even have dyed his hair just as he grew out the beard to make himself less recognizable, plus it is a breakdown of his military/Avengers identity/regiment where he was always clean shaven and perfectly coiffed, and he also gets the less-well-lit eyes, less smiling, etc. that Thor got.
Kind of like if you watch MULAN, how she looses her eyelashes and her eyebrows get thicker when she goes from Fa Mulan to Ping at the training bootcamp, then when she goes to being Fa Mulan With A Sword she has her eyelashes back but her eyebrows remain thicker. Subtle differences in the animation to help distinguish her changes as a character. Make up, hair, lighting, and wardrobe are used in the live-action to accomplish the same thing.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 22, 2019 3:47:12 GMT
Wonder Woman got to keep her blond-Steve Trevor (granted, his was a dirty blond in the movie, but that's cause Chris Pine isn't a natural blond, so they probably got as close as they dared without making him look like he was wearing the world's worst bleach job), and Black Widow became a blonde for some reason in INFINITY WAR. I think, sometimes with the new movies, it is because of them not-hiring blond actors. Think back to FANTASTIC FOUR with Chris Evans & Jessica Alba, neither are natural blonds and both were made to have blond hair for the movies. They played a little with Chris Evans's because they could cut his so short that you didn't notice so much that it was a dark-blond, but Alba was made fun of by fans/moviegoers for the horribly fake looking blonde hair and blue contacts utilized to make her look more like the comic book character, and they darkened her hair a few shades in the sequel, as well as Evans's, and it looks more natural on him, less distracting on her. For THOR, Hemsworth had blindingly white-blond hair in the movie and it looked horribly fake. Hiddleston's ink-black and chemically straightened hair looked fine, Hemsworths brown, straight hair turned blond looked like he had taken frosted tips a bit too far or like a dark haired guy who got lost at sea for a couple weeks, then got to be in the shade for a few weeks. In the second THOR, they tamed down the bleach job and it looks much better. In THOR3/INFINITY WAR, I think they also wanted to further distance him from his Princely/heroic look-- he has darker colors, his metal pieces aren't as shiny/polished, his eyes aren't lit to make them as pale-blue looking so he has darker (stormier, shall we say?) blue eyes, his hair darkens, and he doesn't smile anymore.... I suspect it was much the same for Steve, in AVENGERS he just woke up less than a month ago so he's basically FIRST AVENGER Steve with culture shock and grief-stricken. By WINTER SOLDIER, he is sporting a more modern haircut but the color is a bit more honey-blond than gold-blond, and by ULTRON it actually had some hints of brown at the back of his head with only the top layer retaining the amber/honey color, but he's also wearing a darker uniform (WINTER SOLDIER he sports his stealth suit that is all navy/dark blue with hints of scarlet - in ULTRON it is a darker blue with an off-white and dark-red stripes/etc., compared to his blinding AVENGERS 1 suit that was brighter than his FIRST AVENGER suit as it was made by a man who was going off his idealized versions of the war bond posters and playing cards), and in INFINITY WAR he has a grungy uniform and has been undercover/on the run for a long time so he may even have dyed his hair just as he grew out the beard to make himself less recognizable, plus it is a breakdown of his military/Avengers identity/regiment where he was always clean shaven and perfectly coiffed, and he also gets the less-well-lit eyes, less smiling, etc. that Thor got. Kind of like if you watch MULAN, how she looses her eyelashes and her eyebrows get thicker when she goes from Fa Mulan to Ping at the training bootcamp, then when she goes to being Fa Mulan With A Sword she has her eyelashes back but her eyebrows remain thicker. Subtle differences in the animation to help distinguish her changes as a character. Make up, hair, lighting, and wardrobe are used in the live-action to accomplish the same thing. I remember thinking Alba's hair looked awful, but it must have looked so bad that I didn't even notice the contacts. I felt like Evans in CA:TFA looked like he had that "edgy" gel that turns your hair a slight golden color. But yes, Thor looked pretty awful with the bleached blonde in the original. His friggin' eyebrows were blonde.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 22, 2019 3:57:36 GMT
CH and CE were never blonde to begin with. Just like SJ was not a redhead. Once the characters were established, they let them gradually return to their real hair colors. JM is a separate case, ZS cast him to ( try to ) make Aquaman into a badass. For most of these blonde characters (Steve Rogers, Aquaman, Barry Allen, etc.) it's fine even if they're not blonde because it's not really a defining characteristic for them. That's not true for the case of Thor however, as his blonde hair is an iconic part of his looks. That's why he gets such nicknames as "goldilocks". I mean, they don't exactly need to make him completely blonde like in the first Thor film but I felt his hair in Age of Ultron was the best of the bunch (while his hair in Avengers was the worst). And while I understand why they cut his hair in Ragnarok, I don't understand why it turned a full dark brown in color. Couldn't they have at least put a few blonde highlights in there or lightened his hair color a bit? It's not like Hemsworth hasn't sported short blond hair before. I agree about Aquaman and Barry Allen. But I think for Steve Rogers, at least when he was fighting World War II, it was kind of interesting to imagine that the Nazis would've thought of him as a perfect specimen. I think for at least the time he spent in that era, the blonde hair and blue eyes was a pretty fascinating feature. I had to go back and look at Thor in Age of Ultron and you're right that that was the most comic accurate look they could've given him. It's light enough to be considered blonde, but not so bright that it looks ridiculous. As for the dark short hair, let's just pretend that Stan Lee's haircut laser gun had a bit of dark dye in it.
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