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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 21, 2019 18:41:55 GMT
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 21, 2019 20:08:11 GMT
Worldwide too? Either way, that's awesome. I'm so stoked for the sequel.
I can't believe the first Spider-Man is still second! That movie made crazy money for back then.
Somewhat off-topic, but some of those are kind of odd on there. Like would X-Men be an origin story when X-Men: First Class is also an origin story and set in the same universe featuring numerous same characters? And why is Batman 89 on there? They showed like a couple flashbacks of his parents dying but they literally show zero scenes of him training to become Batman lol.
Anyways, congrats to Patty Jenkins and Gal Gadot.
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Post by scabab on Jan 21, 2019 20:48:36 GMT
I was wondering why Black Panther wasn't on there but I guess that isn't being counted as an origin movie.
Still this is like 2 years late no?
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 21, 2019 21:22:45 GMT
This is domestic, since Aquaman obviously grossed more worldwide than Wonder Woman. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 21, 2019 21:26:20 GMT
I was wondering why Black Panther wasn't on there but I guess that isn't being counted as an origin movie. Still this is like 2 years late no? Box Office Mojo removed Black Panther from the list because Box Office Mojo doesn't consider Black Panther to be an origin movie since Black Panther never showed T'Challa before he became Black Panther or had any flashback scenes of T'Challa before he became Black Panther. And this is actually an on-going topic, since Aquaman is an origin movie (Aquaman does contain flashback scenes of Arthur before he became Aquaman) and Shazam! is also an origin movie. |
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 21, 2019 21:49:52 GMT
I was wondering why Black Panther wasn't on there but I guess that isn't being counted as an origin movie. Still this is like 2 years late no? Box Office Mojo removed Black Panther from the list because Box Office Mojo doesn't consider Black Panther to be an origin movie since Black Panther never showed T'Challa before he became Black Panther or had any flashback scenes of T'Challa before he became Black Panther. And this is actually an on-going topic, since Aquaman is an origin movie (Aquaman does contain flashback scenes of Arthur before he became Aquaman) and Shazam! is also an origin movie. That makes sense. They should really remove Batman 89 as well though. There’s more origin for Killmonger in BP than there is for Batman in 89. |
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Post by dazz on Jan 21, 2019 22:05:35 GMT
Not just Batman I mean you got to wonder how the fuck X-Men is an origin movie considering Wolverine had to get a separate film for his and the X-Men existed before the movie starts and also has an origin film of it's own in First Class, so how is X-Men an origin movie? or Blade & Incredible Hulk for that matter?
Also this topic should really be renamed Wonder Woman Box Office Mojo's Recognised Highest Grossing Domestic Superhero Movie Unadjusted For Inflation , as Box Office Mojo I don't think officially are the governing body who decide such things, and worldwide numbers or adjusted for inflation change the story entirely.
Also couldn't say Civil War, Age Of Ultron, X-Men Apocalypse also count as origin films as CW shows the origin of T'Challa not as BP but as king of Wakanda which is as key to his character as being the Black Panther, as well as Peter's becoming a true superhero, then Ultron has the origins of Wanda & Vision as well as Quicksilver, and Apocalypse shows the origins of Jean, Cyclops & Nightcrawler as well as Storm once she notices Apocalypse is a total dick, why aren't these orign movie?
Box Office Mojo is a unreliable decider in these matters so fuck what they say I say what say you yay? nay? hey? may? pay? no way? way? kay? bae? lay?
day? fae?
hehehehe
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Post by sostie on Jan 21, 2019 22:10:48 GMT
Let's be more accurate...Highest Grossing Superhero Origin Movie.....in the USA...not adjusted for inflation
Adjusted Batman beats it by approx $150m, Spider-Man $200m and Superman $100m
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jan 21, 2019 22:11:17 GMT
Box Office Mojo removed Black Panther from the list because Box Office Mojo doesn't consider Black Panther to be an origin movie since Black Panther never showed T'Challa before he became Black Panther or had any flashback scenes of T'Challa before he became Black Panther. And this is actually an on-going topic, since Aquaman is an origin movie (Aquaman does contain flashback scenes of Arthur before he became Aquaman) and Shazam! is also an origin movie. That makes sense. They should really remove Batman 89 as well though. There’s more origin for Killmonger in BP than there is for Batman in 89. sounds to me like their criteria is "first appearance" of the character(s), which works for both Batman 89 and X-Men BP however, appeared in another film prior to BP 17 |
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Post by sostie on Jan 21, 2019 22:13:46 GMT
That makes sense. They should really remove Batman 89 as well though. There’s more origin for Killmonger in BP than there is for Batman in 89. sounds to me like their criteria is "first appearance" of the character(s), which works for both Batman 89 and X-Men Doesn't work for Wonder Woman though |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 21, 2019 22:22:11 GMT
CW shows the origin of T'Challa not as BP but as king of Wakanda which is as key to his character as being the Black Panther, as well as Peter's becoming a true superhero, then Ultron has the origins of Wanda & Vision as well as Quicksilver, and Apocalypse shows the origins of Jean, Cyclops & Nightcrawler as well as Storm once she notices Apocalypse is a total dick, why aren't these orign movie? Civil War is supposed to be a Captain America movie so any "origins" of supporting characters doesn't make it an origin movie. It's the same way that Batman Returns isn't an origin movie just because it tells the origin of the Penguin and Catwoman because it's a Batman movie, not a Penguin or Catwoman movie. Box Office Mojo is a unreliable decider in these matters Box Office Mojo is the most comprehensive site on these matters. They have comprehensive breakdowns of movies by genre. And unlike RT, Box Office Mojo isn't biased. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jan 21, 2019 22:26:06 GMT
I was wondering why Black Panther wasn't on there but I guess that isn't being counted as an origin movie. Still this is like 2 years late no? It used to be on the list. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 21, 2019 22:33:16 GMT
sounds to me like their criteria is "first appearance" of the character(s), which works for both Batman 89 and X-Men Doesn't work for Wonder Woman though Because the criteria is "origin". That means the movie has to show them before they became the hero. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 21, 2019 22:35:29 GMT
I was wondering why Black Panther wasn't on there but I guess that isn't being counted as an origin movie. Still this is like 2 years late no? It used to be on the list. Yes, that's what I was saying in a previous post. Black Panther was on the list, but Box Office Mojo removed Black Panther from the list because Box Office Mojo doesn't consider Black Panther an origin movie since it doesn't show T'Challa before he became Black Panther. So officially Wonder Woman is the highest-grossing superhero origin movie domestically and Aquaman is the highest-grossing superhero origin movie worldwide. |
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 21, 2019 23:38:31 GMT
The criteria both makes all of the sense and none of the sense.
Batman 89 - No origin story. It shows the death of Bruce's parents and that's it. I know that's what thrusts him into becoming Batman but we see absolutely none of that.
X-Men - The X-Men were already a team. This just basically introduces us to how Wolverine and Rogue become involved with them. X-Men: First Class makes a lot more sense.
The Incredible Hulk - I know there is a little credits montage but none of the actual film is dedicated to his origin.
Black Panther - Makes sense. Surprisingly, more of a Killmonger origin story. After seeing it mentioned here I'm actually really surprised we didn't get more backstory on T'Challa. Kind of a wasted opportunity.
What about Captain America: The Winter Soldier? It shows The Winter Soldier's origin and his name is actually in the title. Also, GotGv2 shows more of Peter Quill's origin than Batman 89 showed of Batman's. And where's Watchmen? None of these would top the list in any significant way. Just the way they determine it seems just a tad wonky.
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Post by scabab on Jan 21, 2019 23:46:37 GMT
Yes, that's what I was saying in a previous post. Black Panther was on the list, but Box Office Mojo removed Black Panther from the list because Box Office Mojo doesn't consider Black Panther an origin movie since it doesn't show T'Challa before he became Black Panther. So officially Wonder Woman is the highest-grossing superhero origin movie domestically and Aquaman is the highest-grossing superhero origin movie worldwide. Well theyve got X-Men First Class on there but then they have X-Men on there. X-Men wasn't an origin movie. Batman wasn't really either, he was Batman from the start. |
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 21, 2019 23:49:49 GMT
Not just Batman I mean you got to wonder how the fuck X-Men is an origin movie considering Wolverine had to get a separate film for his and the X-Men existed before the movie starts and also has an origin film of it's own in First Class, so how is X-Men an origin movie? or Blade & Incredible Hulk for that matter? Also this topic should really be renamed Wonder Woman Box Office Mojo's Recognised Highest Grossing Domestic Superhero Movie Unadjusted For Inflation , as Box Office Mojo I don't think officially are the governing body who decide such things, and worldwide numbers or adjusted for inflation change the story entirely. Also couldn't say Civil War, Age Of Ultron, X-Men Apocalypse also count as origin films as CW shows the origin of T'Challa not as BP but as king of Wakanda which is as key to his character as being the Black Panther, as well as Peter's becoming a true superhero, then Ultron has the origins of Wanda & Vision as well as Quicksilver, and Apocalypse shows the origins of Jean, Cyclops & Nightcrawler as well as Storm once she notices Apocalypse is a total dick, why aren't these orign movie? Box Office Mojo is a unreliable decider in these matters so fuck what they say I say what say you yay? nay? hey? may? pay? no way? way? kay? bae? lay? day? fae? hehehehe Yeah the X-Men one is kind of the oddest inclusion for all the reasons you said. As well as Incredible Hulk.. all they have is a credits montage and his origin plays no significant role in the film. Blade does however show his origin. There is a whole scene with him being born and everything. Also, Captain America: TWS has Winter Soldier's origin and his name is in the title. Does Age of Ultron have Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver's origin? And wouldn't The Avengers count since it is in fact the origin of the superhero team The Avengers? It actually shows their inception from their first meeting to their first battle together. Ahhhh fuck it. You go Wonder Woman! |
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Post by sostie on Jan 21, 2019 23:54:58 GMT
Not just Batman I mean you got to wonder how the fuck X-Men is an origin movie considering Wolverine had to get a separate film for his and the X-Men existed before the movie starts and also has an origin film of it's own in First Class, so how is X-Men an origin movie? or Blade & Incredible Hulk for that matter? Also this topic should really be renamed Wonder Woman Box Office Mojo's Recognised Highest Grossing Domestic Superhero Movie Unadjusted For Inflation , as Box Office Mojo I don't think officially are the governing body who decide such things, and worldwide numbers or adjusted for inflation change the story entirely. Also couldn't say Civil War, Age Of Ultron, X-Men Apocalypse also count as origin films as CW shows the origin of T'Challa not as BP but as king of Wakanda which is as key to his character as being the Black Panther, as well as Peter's becoming a true superhero, then Ultron has the origins of Wanda & Vision as well as Quicksilver, and Apocalypse shows the origins of Jean, Cyclops & Nightcrawler as well as Storm once she notices Apocalypse is a total dick, why aren't these orign movie? Box Office Mojo is a unreliable decider in these matters so fuck what they say I say what say you yay? nay? hey? may? pay? no way? way? kay? bae? lay? day? fae? hehehehe Yeah the X-Men one is kind of the oddest inclusion for all the reasons you said. As well as Incredible Hulk.. all they have is a credits montage and his origin plays no significant role in the film. Blade does however show his origin. There is a whole scene with him being born and everything. Also, Captain America: TWS has Winter Soldier's origin and his name is in the title. Does Age of Ultron have Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver's origin? And wouldn't The Avengers count since it is in fact the origin of the superhero team The Avengers? It actually shows their inception from their first meeting to their first battle together. Ahhhh fuck it. You go Wonder Woman! There's an argument for Avengers and Justice League to be included...it's the origin of them as a team, much like Suicide Squad which is on the list |
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 22, 2019 0:03:20 GMT
Yeah the X-Men one is kind of the oddest inclusion for all the reasons you said. As well as Incredible Hulk.. all they have is a credits montage and his origin plays no significant role in the film. Blade does however show his origin. There is a whole scene with him being born and everything. Also, Captain America: TWS has Winter Soldier's origin and his name is in the title. Does Age of Ultron have Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver's origin? And wouldn't The Avengers count since it is in fact the origin of the superhero team The Avengers? It actually shows their inception from their first meeting to their first battle together. Ahhhh fuck it. You go Wonder Woman! There's an argument for Avengers and Justice League to be included...it's the origin of them as a team, much like Suicide Squad which is on the list Oh yeah, Justice League as well. Good call. |
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Post by dazz on Jan 22, 2019 0:54:32 GMT
CW shows the origin of T'Challa not as BP but as king of Wakanda which is as key to his character as being the Black Panther, as well as Peter's becoming a true superhero, then Ultron has the origins of Wanda & Vision as well as Quicksilver, and Apocalypse shows the origins of Jean, Cyclops & Nightcrawler as well as Storm once she notices Apocalypse is a total dick, why aren't these orign movie? Civil War is supposed to be a Captain America movie so any "origins" of supporting characters doesn't make it an origin movie. It's the same way that Batman Returns isn't an origin movie just because it tells the origin of the Penguin and Catwoman because it's a Batman movie, not a Penguin or Catwoman movie. Box Office Mojo is a unreliable decider in these matters Box Office Mojo is the most comprehensive site on these matters. They have comprehensive breakdowns of movies by genre. And unlike RT, Box Office Mojo isn't biased. No it's just arbitrary to what they want to place in the list or not how is Suicide Squad an origin movie? all the characters are established in the universe already but BO Mojo counts it, Blade is established in his movie also, sure we get flashbacks a little but flashbacks don't make an origin movie if they did why the fuck isn't BVS included or Infinity War as it shows Gamora's origins.
And no it isn't the most comprehensive it's the most comprehensive place for box office numbers, specifically US domestic numbers but that's it, just because they class something as one thing doesn't make it so, which is something I have had an issue with before on the same subject, their list cannot be taken seriously if they include clearly not valid options for those categories, or include one film for one reason but don't include another for the same, as in Suicide Squad is only an origin movie IF you assume the origin in question is that of the Squad itself, which ok fine but then you HAVE to include The Avengers, like why is Batman Forever not included it show specifically the origin of Robin on of the 2 heroic leads of the film, or Batman & Robin which features the origin of Batgirl again one of the 3 main protagonist if you include X-Men which only serves as an origin for Rogue who is like 4th maybe 5th place protagonist after Wolverine, Xavier, Jean and maybe Storm only hero she out does is Cyclops why can you not include Ultron for Wanda, Vision & Quicsilver or CW for Panther & Spidey?.
You only care now because BOM took BP off the list because you are a trollocking doofus me I have disliked this for a long time because of it's arbitrary bullshit.
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