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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 21, 2019 18:53:23 GMT
The board Catholics should like this because I borrowed it from one of their channels. Enjoy. Magic has been around for a long time. It works. If it didn't work people wouldn't still be doing it after thousands of years. No, it doesn't work perfectly every time, but it works well enough that people still do it, kind of like automotive technology. Got a nail in a tire yesterday. Wouldn't have had that problem if we were still using horse & carriage, but automobiles still work well enough that we go on using them. Same for magic. Christians are cautioned against messing with it, as there could be undesirable consequences. Yes, I passed off the torch to others, and (bless their hearts) they are doing a fine job, but sometimes a man has to come out of retirement (not unlike Barnaby Jones).
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Post by rizdek on Jan 21, 2019 19:13:30 GMT
I could well believe there are forces/powers beyond our current knowledge that some folks can tap into..either consciously or un/sub-consciously. But I'm not sure why they'd have to be considered "super" or outside of the natural world given that most physicists believe that the vast majority of the natural world is made up of stuff we can't see, hear, feel or sense in any way other than through how it affects gravity.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 21, 2019 19:23:41 GMT
I could well believe there are forces/powers beyond our current knowledge that some folks can tap into..either consciously or un/sub-consciously. But I'm not sure why they'd have to be considered "super" or outside of the natural world given that most physicists believe that the vast majority of the natural world is made up of stuff we can't see, hear, feel or sense in any way other than through how it affects gravity. When Edgar Rice Burroughs wrote his first book in 1912 (in which a Civil War cavalryman named John Carter goes to Mars not with a spaceship but by some kind of astral projection which he initially doesn't understand), space was supposed to be made of Ether. Later on, when I was attending elementary school in the 1970's, my classmates and I were taught that space is a vacuum. Then, many year later scientists were saying that space is made of something they named "dark matter." If the dark matter scenario is correct, then the physical universe is indeed a singularity, with every part of it connected in some way with every other part. And that's just the physical universe, to say nothing of the dimensions beyond. It's something to consider, isn't it? I find it much more intriguing than anything I can read from Goz or one of the other "progressive" talking heads around here. EDIT -- Come to think of it, a Bazooka Joe comic is more intriguing than a Goz post.
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Post by maya55555 on Jan 21, 2019 19:47:20 GMT
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Post by Catman on Jan 21, 2019 19:50:12 GMT
There are always lagomorphs involved in such things.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 20:08:46 GMT
There's only one thing I'm absolutely 100% sure of, and it's not "there is no magic".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 20:22:10 GMT
Oh, and actually it's kind of obvious how that guy is changing his mask. Notice that he's wearing rather large headwear, and every single change is accompanied by a jerk of his head? He's flipping the masks onto and off his face with those jerks. The skill is in doing so at such a speed that ordinary cameras can't catch it because they don't have a high enough frame-rate. Put a high speed camera on him and it would be very obvious what he's doing.
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Post by Vegas on Jan 21, 2019 20:30:51 GMT
I'm absolutely sure I don't believe in magic.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 21, 2019 20:34:31 GMT
I'm absolutely sure I don't believe in magic.
And that's exactly the kind of reply I expected from a mug like you.
Thanks for not surprising me, old buddy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 20:43:20 GMT
When Edgar Rice Burroughs wrote his first book in 1912 (in which a Civil War cavalryman named John Carter goes to Mars not with a spaceship but by some kind of astral projection which he initially doesn't understand), space was supposed to be made of Ether. Later on, when I was attending elementary school in the 1970's, my classmates and I were taught that space is a vacuum. Then, many year later scientists were saying that space is made of something they named "dark matter." Um, no. No competent scientist has ever said that space is made out of dark matter. Debate continues as to what exactly dark matter is, but whatever it is it is something that exists within space, like Earth does, not something space is made of. Yeah, the universe isn't a singularity. And nothing about dark matter makes it a singularity. I mean, most scientists think most dark matter is just some kind of subatomic particle that we don't know about, and dark energy just another force that acts over long distances. The existence of dark matter and dark energy no more mean that the universe is a singularity than the existence of normal matter and, say, gravity do. Apparently you don't find it so intriguing that you've, you know, bothered to read the wikipedia article about it or anything. I bet you've watched some videos about it by wackjobs on youtube, though.
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Post by Vegas on Jan 21, 2019 20:46:26 GMT
I'm absolutely sure I don't believe in magic.
And that's exactly the kind of reply I expected from a mug like you.
Thanks for not surprising me, old buddy. I started to watch the video... then I realized that it's over 2 1/2 hours. Dude.. Shorter videos. I don't need to spend an equivalency of watching Avengers: Infinity War to listen to some shmoe who's saying that he doesn't understand how illusions work.. soooooooo "DEVIL!!" - "I have nothing to do with Chris Angel... He's a douche on his own!!"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 20:57:41 GMT
True story : James Randi, longtime professional magician and famous skeptic and debunker of the paranormal, used to reproduce many paranormal feats in front of audiences. Things like psychic surgery, spoon bending, spiritual readings, dowsing, etc. He did it to show that the results could be achieved by mere trickery, no psychic powers involved. As he once said, "Uri Gellar may be bending spoons with psychic powers, but if so then he's doing it the hard way."
The amazing thing is that Randi would frequently be approached by people who simply refused to believe that he was employing standard magician tricks. People would insist that he must have psychic powers that he didn't know about, and had just made all the stuff about tricks up. And no matter how much he told people that no, he knew exactly how he was doing it and it really was just a simple trick, they would often just flat out say he was obviously lying.
People are seriously invested in this stuff.
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Post by Stammerhead on Jan 21, 2019 21:24:29 GMT
I believe some people out there are very clever.
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Post by captainbryce on Jan 21, 2019 21:25:01 GMT
There's only one thing I'm absolutely 100% sure of, and it's not "there is no magic". I wouldn’t go that far. I’d more likely go with the statement: “I’m 100% sure that I do not believe in magic”. There has never ever been a successful demonstration of “magic” (as in something confirmed to be supernatural), and therefore there is no reason to believe in it. The reason I don’t believe in magic is the same reason I don’t believe in gods. That doesn’t necessarily mean that magic cannot exist, or that it doesn’t exist.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jan 21, 2019 21:31:52 GMT
True story : James Randi, longtime professional magician and famous skeptic and debunker of the paranormal, used to reproduce many paranormal feats in front of audiences. Things like psychic surgery, spoon bending, spiritual readings, dowsing, etc. He did it to show that the results could be achieved by mere trickery, no psychic powers involved. As he once said, "Uri Gellar may be bending spoons with psychic powers, but if so then he's doing it the hard way." Oddly enough one never heard of Gellar straightening spoons. I wonder why? One would have thought the same magic would work both ways.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 21:41:41 GMT
True story : James Randi, longtime professional magician and famous skeptic and debunker of the paranormal, used to reproduce many paranormal feats in front of audiences. Things like psychic surgery, spoon bending, spiritual readings, dowsing, etc. He did it to show that the results could be achieved by mere trickery, no psychic powers involved. As he once said, "Uri Gellar may be bending spoons with psychic powers, but if so then he's doing it the hard way." Oddly enough one never heard of Gellar straightening spoons. I wonder why? One would have thought the same magic would work both ways. Randi used to offer a million dollar challenge - he'd pay a million dollars to anybody who could demonstrate a paranormal power in controlled conditions. For spoon bending, the usual test was that they would paint the bowl of the spoon very lightly with oil, then sprinkle carbon powder on both sides. If you could bend the spoon without getting the powder on your fingers, you won the prize. Only nobody ever did.
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Post by goz on Jan 21, 2019 22:46:17 GMT
When Edgar Rice Burroughs wrote his first book in 1912 (in which a Civil War cavalryman named John Carter goes to Mars not with a spaceship but by some kind of astral projection which he initially doesn't understand), space was supposed to be made of Ether. Later on, when I was attending elementary school in the 1970's, my classmates and I were taught that space is a vacuum. Then, many year later scientists were saying that space is made of something they named "dark matter." Um, no. No competent scientist has ever said that space is made out of dark matter. Debate continues as to what exactly dark matter is, but whatever it is it is something that exists within space, like Earth does, not something space is made of. Yeah, the universe isn't a singularity. And nothing about dark matter makes it a singularity. I mean, most scientists think most dark matter is just some kind of subatomic particle that we don't know about, and dark energy just another force that acts over long distances. The existence of dark matter and dark energy no more mean that the universe is a singularity than the existence of normal matter and, say, gravity do. Apparently you don't find it so intriguing that you've, you know, bothered to read the wikipedia article about it or anything. I bet you've watched some videos about it by wackjobs on youtube, though. I don't know why, butt I am inordinately flattered by this post! I read to mean more educated and have a better idea of being able to research facts science and information that has some basis in truth and knowledge. I also view to be progressive as a good thing, to always be searching our truth and meaning in the future and not stick to outdated conservatives of the past when knew facts and ideas emerge. Thanks Erjenious!
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Post by general313 on Jan 21, 2019 23:46:34 GMT
As surely as I don't believe in Santa Claus.
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Post by Stammerhead on Jan 22, 2019 1:05:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 1:29:11 GMT
Oh, and here's how the table one is done. Spoilers!
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