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Post by thisguy4000 on Jan 26, 2019 21:49:22 GMT
Let’s say that you were handed directorial duties for the film, but that you had to use the same cast (including Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor) and the same basic premise (Batman wanting to fight Superman, Superman trying to figure out his place in the world, Superman dying at the end, and so on). How would you try to make it better?
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Post by damngumby on Jan 26, 2019 22:13:40 GMT
Batman would be the villian.
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Post by havenless on Jan 28, 2019 2:25:54 GMT
Batman would be the villian. This is one of the reasons I think Civil War worked better as a superhero world building piece. CW was about Iron Man and Steve both wanting to be right. BvS was about Batman and Superman wanting to prove the other was bad. It was so negative and shone both heroes in negative light. Superman was reading up on this Gotham city terrorist vigilante he had to stop, and Batman learned first hand Superman isn’t concerned with the little guy. One thing I would change is both guys should have their fight be about heroic things, not Batman trying to murder Superman or Superman trying to murder Batman to save his mom. In CW, they’re fighting for their beliefs and have no intention of killing one another. It’s just really weird WB went that direction, especially with their 2 biggest champions. |
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Post by politicidal on Jan 28, 2019 3:53:52 GMT
It’s admittedly pretty workmanlike but I tried to find a way for them to kill Superman but not really because that’s just stupid.
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With the cast, first off I’d certainly make Luthor less nutty. Basically the anti-Tony Stark; a little more dour but finds humor in outsmarting people. Superman and Batman both have things that do indeed weigh on their minds but not render them too nihilistic. Lois Lane won’t be a complete idiot. Anyway here it goes:
Lex Luthor is the first human to unlock the technology of the Mother Boxes (one is revealed to had been aboard the crashed ship) and used it to rebuild Metropolis.
Scrap out that Jimmy Olsen “cameo” along with Wonder Woman and all the Justice League tie-ins. However, I’ll include appearances by Silas Stone as a LexCorp scientist and minor villains as lackeys for Luthor.
The guy who Scoot McNairy played would be a secondary villain working for Lex Luthor. As an amalgamation of Metallo and Cyborg Superman. No Doomsday. Okay, not quite.
Mercy Graves would play a larger role as Luthor’s bodyguard.
Batman and Superman would oppose each other initially during the first third of the movie (so if we keep the same length, the first 40 or 50 minutes?).
I can get behind Batman being scared of Superman’s raw power. That makes some sense. The guilt over Robin dying (who ISN’T Dick. Maybe Jason?) is also a factor. Meanwhile Superman opposes Batman’s brutal methods as he learned since ‘Man of Steel’ the hard way that actions have consequences even if for the greater good.
With that last bit in mind, I’d show off Superman training to hone in and using his powers in ways that halt criminals w/o harming them. Much. For example, I’d keep the Lois Lane hostage scene but instead of pulverizing that one guy into a way, he just freezes the weapon with his breath. Also I’d indulge a little bit and make the hostage taker a C-level DC villain like Kobra or Toyman.
The titular fight will be the halfway point of the story. Superman is the victor because well no shit, he’s Superman. He reassures Batman his intentions are noble upon learning of Robin’s death.
Lois Lane would play a far more active role in a side story investigating LexCorp and their research on the crashed spaceship. This earns the ire of Luthor so she’ll be the one kidnapped by Mercy Graves and KGBeast instead of Martha Kent. This unites the two heroes to call a truce and rescue her.
At the close of the second act Batman and Superman aren’t friendly per se but like “Kay bro you do you.” (This is like 1:45 into the film).
McNairy appears and his upgraded body is powered by kryptonite. He fights and does kill Superman. Luthor’s ultimate aim is to use the scoutship’s technology and sample from Superman’s DNA to craft his own metahuman subordinate.
A remorseful Batman infiltrates LexCorp with Lois Lane and they use the Mother Box tech to revive Superman with Dr. Stone’s help. (Kevin Costner earns his paycheck appearing to Clark Kent in an ethereal setting admitting he was wrong and praises him for using his powers for good). The process amplified Superman’s capabilities, rendering Metallo’s suit ineffective.
However, Luthor awakens his metahuman (yeah it’s pretty much Bizarro but more menacing) and it runs loose because that’s what such characters do. Batman occupies a prototype Lex-suit and aids Superman in killing the creature.
LexCorp is dissolved and Luthor is arrested; given his intellect and knowledge of alien tech he is not executed. Batman and Superman are now on better terms. Silas Stone sets up STAR Labs. Lois Lane prints an article explaining why the world needs superheroes.
Post credit scene: A throwaway version of the Suicide Squad retrieve Lex Luthor from prison. He’s met by Amanda Waller who informs him about an upcoming project named Cadmus.
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Post by scabab on Jan 28, 2019 7:10:36 GMT
Cut out Wonder Woman.
Cut out The Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg cameos.
Cut out the Nightmare sequence teasing Darkseid.
Superman definitely would not have died.
Doomsday would instead be replaced by Metallo.
Lex Luthor would not be Jim Carrey's Edward Ngyma.
Superman would have more screen time, he'd be less mopey and would be shown in a more positive light.
The movie would be closer to 2 hours 15 minutes.
The Superman and Batman fight would have been longer.
The Superman and Batman against Metallo fight would have been shorter.
All in all, just a faster paced movie with a Superman who is more like how Superman should be with far less nonsense that was added to tease future movies.
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Post by hobowar on Jan 28, 2019 10:06:31 GMT
It's more of a "knock down, rebuild" situation. I don't think there's 30 seconds of usable footage in that movie.
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Post by Winter_King on Jan 28, 2019 10:55:58 GMT
That wouldn't have worked for me.
For me BVS should've been about Batman vs Superman with Lex operating in the shadows. No Doomsday, no Justice League cameos and no Superman dying.
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 29, 2019 0:03:31 GMT
1. I would have shaved Eisenberg's head from the get-go. Gotten rid of his zuckerbergness and instead played him as a cold, calculating, semi-psychotic genius. Almost like a young Hannibal Lecter.
2. I would have made Superman look happy. Happy that he finally gets to be himself and not hide his powers. Happy that he finally gets to help people out and even the government.
3. Show the public being divided about Superman, with some loving him and some hating him for who and what he is, and that this divided reception makes Superman question if he's doing the right thing. Have Lex be the primary voice of the anti-Superman group.
4. Kill off someone special to Batman in Superman's brawl in Metropolis. Give Batman more reason to hate Superman. Batman wants to hunt down every kryptonian for revenge, but since Superman is the only one left he'll settle for Superman. He also believes Superman is a fraud, that he's only being nice to people so humanity will drop their guard.
5. No blackmailing for the fight. Batman ambushes Superman and Superman ends up having to fight for his life. He is initially very reluctant to fight but ends up having to take it seriously when Batman brings out the kryptonite.
6. The only involvement Luthor has with the fight is that he notices someone else (Batman) hacking into his intel regarding the kryptonians, figures out it's Batman, then drops hints regarding kryptonite.
7. Have Batman win the match but only because Superman allows him to win. Because Batman revealed that he's seeking vengeance for the death of loved ones in the battle of Metropolis, and Superman is filled with guilt such that he drops his defenses and allows Batman to strike him with crippling blows.
8. Batman finds in the end that he's unable to kill Superman, because deep in his heart he knows Superman is not a criminal, and his moral code would not allow him to murder an innocent, especially not one who is no longer willing to fight.
9. Their fight is interrupted by having to deal with Doomsday. Have the human military send in more forces against Doomsday, like an entire army. Show how destructive Doomsday is and how humanity pleads for Superman's help before Superman arrives (as he is currently busy with Batman at the initial stages of Doomsday's rampage).
10. Luthor's plan on why he made Doomsday is because he wanted a kryptonian of his own... just ended up messing it up and nearly getting killed when he couldn't control Doomsday. Show him joining the fight against Doomsday. Because Lex Luthor might be anti-Superman but he still cares about humanity and doesn't want to see "his city" destroyed.
11. I'd leave Wonder Woman's parts pretty much the same because let's face it, she was the best thing about this movie.
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Post by dnno1 on Jan 29, 2019 0:10:26 GMT
Let’s say that you were handed directorial duties for the film, but that you had to use the same cast (including Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor) and the same basic premise (Batman wanting to fight Superman, Superman trying to figure out his place in the world, Superman dying at the end, and so on). How would you try to make it better? Salvaged? What, did it need to be changed? |
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Post by darkpast on Jan 29, 2019 2:21:03 GMT
change nothing, its a masterpiece
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 29, 2019 20:07:12 GMT
I think I would have put the Batman v Superman "fight" near the beginning of the movie. Make the rest of the movie more about their ideals and how they operate. Have it be more of a "buddy cop" movie where they don't like each other, but grow to be friends or at least respect each other by the end of it. I don't think Batman would have seen Superman as a bad guy for what happened in Metropolis. I think he would have seen that he tried to help, but went about it all wrong and not trust him to do the right thing. For the most part, they are working together after their squabble. Would rather see a World's Finest movie.
I wouldn't make Lex a/the villain at all (until a following movie). He'd be an influencer. Sort of like Chancellor Palpatine without the Sidious parts. Maybe in the end credit scene.
Scoot would be Metallo for the end fight. Have Silas be the one to build him as a precursor to Cyborg. He'll just talk about his benefactor. Have him be made out of Kryptonian metals so he'd be tougher for Superman to beat.(?) Have him be the one to kidnap Martha so Batman can save her from KGBeast. Looking back and reading politicidal's post I see we have the same idea that he should be Metallo.
I'd make Jimmy a former photographer for the Planet and Jenny's older brother. Have him come out of "retirement" for one more and gets killed by KGBeast. None of that CIA nonsense. This scene should be combined with the one of them retrieving the Kryptonite in the Indian Ocean. Make it that KGBeast was there to get something and not just to set up Superman. Especially when Lois was there to see what really happened.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jan 29, 2019 20:17:27 GMT
Cut out Wonder Woman.
Cut out The Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg cameos.
Cut out the Nightmare sequence teasing Darkseid.
Superman definitely would not have died.Doomsday would instead be replaced by Metallo.
Lex Luthor would not be Jim Carrey's Edward Ngyma.
Superman would have more screen time, he'd be less mopey and would be shown in a more positive light.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 29, 2019 21:55:01 GMT
So I'm stuck with the same cast and basic plot, can I add people? If so, I'd include Viola Davis' Amanda Waller and have her heading Project Cadmus, ultimately creating Doomsday as a precaution if Superman went rogue ala the JL animated series.
Batman would be basically the same, but not a cold blooded killer. In fact, instead of framing Superman for machine gun riddled Africans, Luther is using KGBeast to frame Batman for vigilante murders in Gotham. Following Zod's death, Superman has taken an oath against that kind of thing.
Eisenberg would play Luther like that "full attention" scene in The Social Network - cold, condescending, smarter than everyone else in the room. He's already bald genetically, and a self made billionaire who resents Batman and Superman for inheriting everything they have and wants to prove to himself he's superior.
The titular fight would occur midway through the film. Superman knows Batman is not a killer when Batman doesn't finish him when he has the chance, and Batman is content knowing Superman isn't invulnerable. They reluctantly team up to bring down Luther. Eventually Doomsday breaks free (either through Luther's doing or by chance), and it and Superman kill each other. Luther gets away with everything but loses because now Superman is a martyr. The after credit scene is Bruce in the batcave showing Alfred the metahuman folder he's since been working on.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 30, 2019 21:55:15 GMT
It's more of a "knock down, rebuild" situation. I don't think there's 30 seconds of usable footage in that movie. Ok, see this is the kind of statement that I think it just hyperbole, hate against DC, for no real reason, other than to stir shit up.
You're actually saying that there is NO USABLE FOOTAGE IN THAT WHOLE MOVIE?!
YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND!
The opening sequence with Bruce Wayne driving around Metropolis while its getting wrecked is OFF THE HOOK! That's just the first five minutes! Then he runs out of the car toward the dust cloud! I get chills thinking about it!
Practically ALL the Batman stuff is great. The Batmobile sequence totally rules! Batman vs. the 20 thugs was awesome! The Wonder Woman stuff is great. When she shows up in costume and starts kicking ass... I almost came in my pants! The Doomsday fight is great except that it should be in another movie, I'll give you that; but that's another story.
I would have recast Luthor with someone older and more mature. I would have tightened up that part of the story, made his plan and his hate of Superman clearer. I would've found better, more organic ways to put in the Knightmare and JL cameos or cut them out altogether (but keep WW).
And most importantly I would have had the fight between Bat and Sup have a better reason why they fight, and a better resolution as to why they stop fighting and why they team up. Thats the crux of the movie.
But to say that the whole movie is crap smacks of being a jerk. You can do better than that.
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Post by hobowar on Jan 30, 2019 22:00:26 GMT
It's more of a "knock down, rebuild" situation. I don't think there's 30 seconds of usable footage in that movie. Ok, see this is the kind of statement that I think it just hyperbole, hate against DC, for no real reason, other than to stir shit up.
You're actually saying that there is NO USABLE FOOTAGE IN THAT WHOLE MOVIE?!
YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND!
The opening sequence with Bruce Wayne driving around Metropolis while its getting wrecked is OFF THE HOOK! That's just the first five minutes! Then he runs out of the car toward the dust cloud! I get chills thinking about it!
Practically ALL the Batman stuff is great. The Batmobile sequence totally rules! Batman vs. the 20 thugs was awesome! The Wonder Woman stuff is great. When she shows up in costume and starts kicking ass... I almost came in my pants! The Doomsday fight is great except that it should be in another movie, I'll give you that; but that's another story.
I would have recast Luthor with someone older and more mature. I would have tightened up that part of the story, made his plan and his hate of Superman clearer. I would've found better, more organic ways to put in the Knightmare and JL cameos or cut them out altogether (but keep WW).
And most importantly I would have had the fight between Bat and Sup have a better reason why they fight, and a better resolution as to why they stop fighting and why they team up. Thats the crux of the movie.
But to say that the whole movie is crap smacks of being a jerk. You can do better than that.
The montage of Superman doing superhero stuff while looking like he's being forced to pick up dog crap was kinda hilarious. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 30, 2019 22:19:23 GMT
It's more of a "knock down, rebuild" situation. I don't think there's 30 seconds of usable footage in that movie. Ok, see this is the kind of statement that I think it just hyperbole, hate against DC, for no real reason, other than to stir shit up.
You're actually saying that there is NO USABLE FOOTAGE IN THAT WHOLE MOVIE?!
YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND!
The opening sequence with Bruce Wayne driving around Metropolis while its getting wrecked is OFF THE HOOK! That's just the first five minutes! Then he runs out of the car toward the dust cloud! I get chills thinking about it!
Practically ALL the Batman stuff is great. The Batmobile sequence totally rules! Batman vs. the 20 thugs was awesome! The Wonder Woman stuff is great. When she shows up in costume and starts kicking ass... I almost came in my pants! The Doomsday fight is great except that it should be in another movie, I'll give you that; but that's another story.
I would have recast Luthor with someone older and more mature. I would have tightened up that part of the story, made his plan and his hate of Superman clearer. I would've found better, more organic ways to put in the Knightmare and JL cameos or cut them out altogether (but keep WW).
And most importantly I would have had the fight between Bat and Sup have a better reason why they fight, and a better resolution as to why they stop fighting and why they team up. Thats the crux of the movie.
But to say that the whole movie is crap smacks of being a jerk. You can do better than that.
Isn't this more about you not liking that he doesn't like the movie? Everything you just said about what you liked about the movie is your opinion. Right? Also, "hate against DC"? You saying BvS represents all of DC? If it does then Oh man... |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 31, 2019 15:00:55 GMT
Ok, see this is the kind of statement that I think it just hyperbole, hate against DC, for no real reason, other than to stir shit up.
You're actually saying that there is NO USABLE FOOTAGE IN THAT WHOLE MOVIE?!
YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND!
The opening sequence with Bruce Wayne driving around Metropolis while its getting wrecked is OFF THE HOOK! That's just the first five minutes! Then he runs out of the car toward the dust cloud! I get chills thinking about it!
Practically ALL the Batman stuff is great. The Batmobile sequence totally rules! Batman vs. the 20 thugs was awesome! The Wonder Woman stuff is great. When she shows up in costume and starts kicking ass... I almost came in my pants! The Doomsday fight is great except that it should be in another movie, I'll give you that; but that's another story.
I would have recast Luthor with someone older and more mature. I would have tightened up that part of the story, made his plan and his hate of Superman clearer. I would've found better, more organic ways to put in the Knightmare and JL cameos or cut them out altogether (but keep WW).
And most importantly I would have had the fight between Bat and Sup have a better reason why they fight, and a better resolution as to why they stop fighting and why they team up. Thats the crux of the movie.
But to say that the whole movie is crap smacks of being a jerk. You can do better than that.
Isn't this more about you not liking that he doesn't like the movie? Everything you just said about what you liked about the movie is your opinion. Right? Also, "hate against DC"? You saying BvS represents all of DC? If it does then Oh man... So you think its rational to say that there isn't 30 seconds of usable footage in that whole movie? You think that's a normal statement to make? You think that's reasonable? If so maybe you're r#t#r#d#d too. You may not like the movie, and that's fine, but to say that you cant find several moments of anything worthy in that whole movie is proof that you are TROLLING. Don't defend that. Its nonsense. Of all the things you could come to the defense of...?
Isn't this more about you not liking that I spoke up against some stupid thing you seem to agree with?
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 31, 2019 17:01:47 GMT
Isn't this more about you not liking that he doesn't like the movie? Everything you just said about what you liked about the movie is your opinion. Right? Also, "hate against DC"? You saying BvS represents all of DC? If it does then Oh man... So you think its rational to say that there isn't 30 seconds of usable footage in that whole movie? You think that's a normal statement to make? You think that's reasonable? If so maybe you're r#t#r#d#d too. You may not like the movie, and that's fine, but to say that you cant find several moments of anything worthy in that whole movie is proof that you are TROLLING. Don't defend that. Its nonsense. Of all the things you could come to the defense of...?
Isn't this more about you not liking that I spoke up against some stupid thing you seem to agree with?
If he thinks there isn't 30 seconds of usable footage then that's what he thinks. Just like you thought those scenes you listed were awesome. Even when there are people that don't like those very same scenes and rip them to shreds. I don't like Spider-man 2 or DoFP, but people, for some reason, love them. Different tastes, sir or madam. Have you ever noticed that I never tell anyone that they are wrong for liking or disliking a movie? I've only told my own opinion on why I like or dislike a movie. I'm not getting paid to try and change a person's mind about a movie. Not my job. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 31, 2019 17:32:40 GMT
So you think its rational to say that there isn't 30 seconds of usable footage in that whole movie? You think that's a normal statement to make? You think that's reasonable? If so maybe you're r#t#r#d#d too. You may not like the movie, and that's fine, but to say that you cant find several moments of anything worthy in that whole movie is proof that you are TROLLING. Don't defend that. Its nonsense. Of all the things you could come to the defense of...?
Isn't this more about you not liking that I spoke up against some stupid thing you seem to agree with?
If he thinks there isn't 30 seconds of usable footage then that's what he thinks. Then what he thinks is stupid.
Dude I'm not gonna back and forth with you about this. It's a stupid thing to say and its troll behavior.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 31, 2019 17:42:32 GMT
If he thinks there isn't 30 seconds of usable footage then that's what he thinks. Then what he thinks is stupid.
Dude I'm not gonna back and forth with you about this. It's a stupid thing to say and its troll behavior.
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