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Post by oocathrynoo on Apr 29, 2017 18:46:22 GMT
I'm up episode 11. This is a very good show. I keep hearing about a season 2 but isn't this entire season the whole book itself? Yes, it is. That's why I'm torn on whether they should continue with a second season or not. I feel like it should be one season and stick with the original message, but a selfish part of me wants to know what happens to everyone else. haha
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 19:13:32 GMT
pretty meh show.
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Post by sariz on May 4, 2017 6:56:41 GMT
ok just finished the series and ohh my it was such a huge disappointment.
it started so well and promising but the episodes got slower each time and going all about the Same thing it feels like they don't advance and it's not that I can't handle films or shows with strong material but it just a terrible execution to a great premise.
Ive seen other films on this subject much better presented like a Swedish film i found on Netflix named Spijiti or something like that an After Lucia in Mexico named Después de Lucia. wheh I first watched what it was about i thought great finally a series which deeply touches the theme of bullying and how far these victims can take their suffering for it but the peace got really slow and the intriguing mystery got boring in its 5th episode.
Its a 3/10 really I expected a masterpiece and something a little inspiring. Anyway terrible idea on portraying the teachers and councilor so clueless that's what makes those victims take the wrong way. it makes them think there is no way to look for help and makes you dislike Hanna at the end for the tapes and including Clay in them it made him go mad its just so wrong.
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Post by Vegas on May 4, 2017 10:54:32 GMT
Here's my summarization on the Religion Board:
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 4, 2017 10:57:29 GMT
I finished the series a couple of days agi.
I thought it was an odd show if the focus was on suicide issues. I wasn;t into buying Hannah as a suicide victim to identify with. I know there is no particular type, but considering it's a topic not covered terribly often, it would have been better to have a more common representative. Although a suicide didn;t occur, I recommend American Crime's second season to see a great example of bullying and the despair some feel in teen life.
The hook for me was the mystery since that was also atypical. I thought the show was merely OK until around episode 9 and then it was amazing and everything came together into a sad and tragic tale over a meaningless coverup. The Clay tape in particular was fabulous.
As much as I liked the show, I do not need a second season. I don;t see the point of it.
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Post by DSDSquared on May 4, 2017 13:50:21 GMT
I am only on episode four, but I am addicted. I cannot binge this show fast enough.
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Post by phenomenal on May 5, 2017 15:57:11 GMT
I received a letter from my daughter's high school last week about this show and how it could trigger or traumatize students. I haven't seen the show.
The letter stated the show glamorized teen suicide and painted therapists and counselors in a negative light.
I spoke to my daughter who has watched it and she agrees with the schools portrayal but was unaffected by the content.
I have no interest in the series but may watch it to see what all the controversy is about.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 5, 2017 16:44:19 GMT
I don't see how it glamourized suicide.
At best it glamourized a particular suicide victim that would be tough to prove even exists in real life.
However, one of the annoying aspects of the show is the notion that people had a responsibility to figure her out without putting words in her mouth. The ones who treated her badly were indeed horrible, but there shouldn't be an expectation that the ones who treated her well could actually read how much despair she was in.
I think the biggest problem was the "counselor" was actually the vice principal and it seemed as if the school didn't really have a counselor. Is that a norm in high school?
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Post by DSDSquared on May 5, 2017 16:58:52 GMT
I agree. Granted, I am only on episode 7, but many times it seems she expects people to know what she is thinking. This is especially true with Clay. She keeps waiting for him to make a move and gets annoyed that he doesn't. Why should it be his responsibility to make the move? Why can't she? I am sure things will change as I discover more, but this has annoyed me so far.
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Post by DarkManX on May 6, 2017 3:21:59 GMT
I didn't like it. Some of the things Hanna kills herself over are petty and someone who does what she did, making tapes and all, most likely has preexisting mental issues. The kid's sense of right and wrong is completely ass backward Clay leaving when asked is considered a terrible crime and yet no one seems to care at all that a serial rapist is running around and the show is just unrealistic in general. I usually give people more credit, but this series sends a terrible message that suicide could be used as a means to successfully get revenge from beyond the grave and I could see someone trying this for real. The show is severely overhyped 3/10.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 6, 2017 13:01:55 GMT
I think the mistake is thinking this show was supposed to be realistic.
It's like any other dram. It takes themes we are familiar and puts them in situations we are totally unfamiliar.
Suicide is sadly normal in this day and age, but a teen conspiracy to cover up a crime in the midst of it is not. Making tapes about the reason someone committed suicide is not.
That's the hook.
No one would watch a mundane show about suicide. It would be both depressing and uninteresting in most cases. It would be better to just watch a documentary on the topic.
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Post by sariz on May 6, 2017 19:03:56 GMT
I think the mistake is thinking this show was supposed to be realistic. It's like any other dram. It takes themes we are familiar and puts them in situations we are totally unfamiliar. Suicide is sadly normal in this day and age, but a teen conspiracy to cover up a crime in the midst of it is not. Making tapes about the reason someone committed suicide is not. That's the hook. No one would watch a mundane show about suicide. It would be both depressing and uninteresting in most cases. It would be better to just watch a documentary on the topic. Ok I understand fiction has to be a little more dramatized and not be all facts to get The people's attention otherwise we would be watching a documentary but I think this subject could have been portrayed much better the suicide and the bullying. Check the Swedish drama Spijti. Its a film which touches exactly this same subject in a much better way making our protagonist much more likable and the whole story is much better excecuted.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 6, 2017 19:08:04 GMT
American Crime's second season handled the subject more realistically too, but again, the main thing is the entertainment value.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 7, 2017 20:46:11 GMT
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 8, 2017 13:35:22 GMT
I received a letter from my daughter's high school last week about this show and how it could trigger or traumatize students. I haven't seen the show. The letter stated the show glamorized teen suicide and painted therapists and counselors in a negative light. I spoke to my daughter who has watched it and she agrees with the schools portrayal but was unaffected by the content. I have no interest in the series but may watch it to see what all the controversy is about. Yeah, I've read that a lot of suicide prevention experts don't care for the way the series portrays suicide.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 8, 2017 14:29:45 GMT
I cannot understand how suicide was glamourized in this but if the experts say it makes people want to do it then so be it.
I also don't get how parents could let their elementary kids watch it either, so it's a whole new world out there.
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Post by flasuss on May 8, 2017 14:35:59 GMT
I cannot understand how suicide was glamourized in this but if the experts say it makes people want to do it then so be it. Yeah, I don't buy it. Reminds me of a bit from Louis C.K. latest special in which he talks about how you can't talk about suicide with your shrink because he will immediately lock you up and put you in observation. People need to be able to talk about stuff.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 8, 2017 14:59:18 GMT
You don't buy what actual people who work in suicide prevention and mental health have to say about a show that depicts suicide?
Make no mistake, experts aren't saying that it makes suicide look cool. What they mean is that it makes the suicide victim's actions correct. That she was right. That others were responsible for her actions. And now that she's gone, she's taught them a lesson. It can reinforce the idea in an already suicidal person that killing themselves is the only way to make others realize how they've hurt them.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 8, 2017 15:22:24 GMT
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It doesn't do that at all unless one thinks that it wrong to point out how wrong other people are. There is nothing in this show that paints the suicide actually be the correct choice. The show went out of its way by the end to make it clear that Hannah was indeed making a mistake. I don't understand how people miss this very obvious thing. Now if the experts are saying it's dangerous to dwell on the reasons suicide victims commit suicide then maybe they have a point. I think the first 7 or 8 episodes did not justify typical reasons for suicide either. Otherwise, I tend to think that experts make horrible TV critics. I also think part of the problem is that the wrong age groups are watching the show. There is no way middle schoolers or elementary kids should be watching this. I don't even think it's that realistic for High schoolers given the setup that leads to the suicide. The show is mainly about what other people can do to notice the signs.
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Post by sariz on May 8, 2017 15:36:06 GMT
American Crime's second season handled the subject more realistically too, but again, the main thing is the entertainment value. My issues are not with realism im not a realistic snob lol but it's with the peace of the show it promised at the beginning a great mystery and it didn't deliver well
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