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Post by charzhino on Feb 8, 2019 18:52:35 GMT
Mcvoy seem worried about philosophy and story telling. it beyond laughable mcu fans thinks it was done in civil war. Iyou remember civil war, the story is barely there. it is mention simply in the film, then they have a nonsense comedy fight at the airport scene then it became a cheesy revenge story line. Civil War ends after General Ross giving a presentation on their actions and the Avengers discussing the wider implications in a quick scene. As you say rest of the movie is a straight up conspiracy, revenge plot. No importance of the superhero registration act plays a part in the climax. The driving factor is Buckys killing of Tonys parents (silly camera footage moment). Compare it to how X2, First Class and DOFP ends. All climaxs retain the philosophical problems started out in each movie and combines them with personal problems of the characters. Civil War ends up in a fist fight about Tony being mad that Steve kept the truth from him. Nothing to do with the comic story, nothing to do with the superhero registration act, nothing to do with political themes. They shoulda just copied BvS and renamed it Ironman vs Captain America and cut the pretense that is was trying to be a deeper film with social commentary. If civil war is the MCUs best attempt at a xmen film then they will need to try 5x harder.
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Post by Vassaggo on Feb 8, 2019 19:20:36 GMT
He was talking about whether introducing mutants right now in a superhero loved world would be compatible and not dampen the mutant-paranoia trait. Short answer is that it would be difficult to achieve a balance. We don't actually know exactly what the humans in the world of the MCU think about the Avengers and their status as heros because its never been shown in any of the films. A small snippet at the end of The Avengers with people celebrating their victory, with positive hand held banners and replica gear. But all the focus has been on the heros themselves along with the villains and human government officials. Nothing on street level. So when mutants are introduced, how are we going to appreciate the turn in public opinion when that opinion was never firmly established in the first place? Humans characterisation has played a key role in all the Xmen films to harbour a general feeling of anti-mutant sentiment in the world the Xmen live in. From Bobbys parents and brother, to the humans using mutants as slave cage fighters; all depict how untrustworthy mutants are to humans. Where are the humans who show affection or hate to Avengers? Theyve never been shown. When mutants are introduced, why should we care what they think now all of a sudden when we didnt care before. It's been shown in both Avengers (loved) and AoU (some what hated) and also Civil War (individual hate). Not gonna be too into replying for a bit. Mom had a heart attack and is in the hospital. Hope she gets well, soon.
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Post by summers8 on Feb 8, 2019 19:36:36 GMT
Mcvoy seem worried about philosophy and story telling. it beyond laughable mcu fans thinks it was done in civil war. Iyou remember civil war, the story is barely there. it is mention simply in the film, then they have a nonsense comedy fight at the airport scene then it became a cheesy revenge story line. Civil War ends after General Ross giving a presentation on their actions and the Avengers discussing the wider implications in a quick scene. As you say rest of the movie is a straight up conspiracy, revenge plot. No importance of the superhero registration act plays a part in the climax. The driving factor is Buckys killing of Tonys parents (silly camera footage moment). Compare it to how X2, First Class and DOFP ends. All climaxs retain the philosophical problems started out in each movie and combines them with personal problems of the characters. Civil War ends up in a fist fight about Tony being mad that Steve kept the truth from him. Nothing to do with the comic story, nothing to do with the superhero registration act, nothing to do with political themes. They shoulda just copied BvS and renamed it Ironman vs Captain America and cut the pretense that is was trying to be a deeper film with social commentary. If civil war is the MCUs best attempt at a xmen film then they will need to try 5x harder. yeah they will need to. and it 5x harder because with xmen ,the story does not get toss aside, mutant ans humans fight to the death. it usually escalates and gets more complicated, hateful, hopeful, questionable. this is X2 and when it escalates. mutants and humans want to kill each other. and 6 billion lives almost gone, It does feel so huge and heavy compared to civil war. the story wasnt even the main thing. am afriad, Disney wont see this friendly enough for kids. also the movie has little colour grading which was to symbolises the darkness as the movie progressed. the only movie that did that was TDK and harry potter : half blood prince
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Feb 10, 2019 16:01:49 GMT
Civil War ends after General Ross giving a presentation on their actions and the Avengers discussing the wider implications in a quick scene. As you say rest of the movie is a straight up conspiracy, revenge plot. No importance of the superhero registration act plays a part in the climax. The driving factor is Buckys killing of Tonys parents (silly camera footage moment). Compare it to how X2, First Class and DOFP ends. All climaxs retain the philosophical problems started out in each movie and combines them with personal problems of the characters. Civil War ends up in a fist fight about Tony being mad that Steve kept the truth from him. Nothing to do with the comic story, nothing to do with the superhero registration act, nothing to do with political themes. They shoulda just copied BvS and renamed it Ironman vs Captain America and cut the pretense that is was trying to be a deeper film with social commentary. If civil war is the MCUs best attempt at a xmen film then they will need to try 5x harder. yeah they will need to. and it 5x harder because with xmen ,the story does not get toss aside, mutant ans humans fight to the death. it usually escalates and gets more complicated, hateful, hopeful, questionable. this is X2 and when it escalates. mutants and humans want to kill each other. and 6 billion lives almost gone, It does feel so huge and heavy compared to civil war. the story wasnt even the main thing. am afriad, Disney wont see this friendly enough for kids. also the movie has little colour grading which was to symbolises the darkness as the movie progressed. the only movie that did that was TDK and harry potter : half blood prince Your schtick is getting old, dude.
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