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Post by Vassaggo on Feb 7, 2019 2:29:27 GMT
The Queue for the bathrooms will be interesting and long to say the least. I won't be there... constitution of a camel. An Indelicate question must be asked. Can you spit like one?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 7, 2019 3:20:22 GMT
I won't be there... constitution of a camel. An Indelicate question must be asked. Can you spit like one? Dunno... never tried. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 7, 2019 6:14:55 GMT
The test audiences probably did go to the bathroom. They just didn't get up out of their seats. The theater must've reeked with urine at the end of the movie.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 7, 2019 6:21:38 GMT
The test audiences probably did go to the bathroom. They just didn't get up out of their seats. The theater must've reeked with urine at the end of the movie. That is a puerile and inane assertion - even for you.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Feb 7, 2019 12:26:06 GMT
The test audiences probably did go to the bathroom. They just didn't get up out of their seats. The theater must've reeked with urine at the end of the movie. That is a puerile and inane assertion - even for you.
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Post by sostie on Feb 7, 2019 12:31:08 GMT
The test audiences probably did go to the bathroom. They just didn't get up out of their seats. The theater must've reeked with urine at the end of the movie. Well seems they didn't have the luxury you will of pausing it on their computer. Seems thievery has some benefits
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Post by ThatGuy on Feb 7, 2019 17:49:03 GMT
Wow... People can't go before or after the movie? Or is 3 hours really that long to not go use the restroom?
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Post by kleinreturns on Feb 7, 2019 18:18:10 GMT
The test audiences probably did go to the bathroom. They just didn't get up out of their seats. The theater must've reeked with urine at the end of the movie. Nah only the DCEU bombs like BvS, SS and JL reeks in the theater. Aquaman's only saving grace from stinking like a beached whale, was that James Wan not Zach Snyder was the director.
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Post by Vassaggo on Feb 7, 2019 18:22:40 GMT
Wow... People can't go before or after the movie? Or is 3 hours really that long to not go use the restroom? The Small drink at my local Cinema is 32oz. The special is if you order a popcorn and candy for a dollar more you get a 64oz. instead of 32. Most people I see have those monsters.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 19:18:36 GMT
The test audiences probably did go to the bathroom. They just didn't get up out of their seats. The theater must've reeked with urine at the end of the movie. Well seems they didn't have the luxury you will of pausing it on their computer. Seems thievery has some benefits This is in the other thread too. What is with this church like attitude towards downloading movies? Have some of you guys never downloaded anything before?
Usually when you steal something, the person you took it from no longer has it. When people download movies, they're downloading copies other people put up to share. Did you or anybody else never use services like Napster, Limewise or Kazaa before?
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Post by Vassaggo on Feb 7, 2019 19:28:41 GMT
Well seems they didn't have the luxury you will of pausing it on their computer. Seems thievery has some benefits This is in the other thread too. What is with this church like attitude towards downloading movies? Have some of you guys never downloaded anything before?
Usually when you steal something, the person you took it from no longer has it. When people download movies, they're downloading copies other people put up to share. Did you or anybody else never use services like Napster, Limewise or Kazaa before?
I just think stealing is stealing. If I spend 10 months writing a novel and try to sell it. I get it sold, but somebody comes along and scans it and puts the story online. My physical books aren't stolen but the story is. I mean someone is just sharing a copy of my book not stealing the actual book. Just because IP theft doesn't take something physical doesn't mean that the thievery is any less. What makes some thieves worse than others is the thieves that then try to take the Moral High Ground vs Morals of the Creators, themes, and characters of the IP they just stole. Edit: I will admit to a grey area in some cases as in Abadonware.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 19:40:55 GMT
This is in the other thread too. What is with this church like attitude towards downloading movies? Have some of you guys never downloaded anything before?
Usually when you steal something, the person you took it from no longer has it. When people download movies, they're downloading copies other people put up to share. Did you or anybody else never use services like Napster, Limewise or Kazaa before?
I just think stealing is stealing. If I spend 10 months writing a novel and try to sell it. I get it sold, but somebody comes along and scans it and puts the story online. My physical books aren't stolen but the story is. I mean someone is just sharing a copy of my book not stealing the actual book. Just because IP theft doesn't take something physical doesn't mean that the thievery is any less. What makes some thieves worse than others is the thieves that then try to take the Moral High Ground vs Morals of the Creators, themes, and characters of the IP they just stole. I would say that's more plagiarism than anything. In the case of movies, people share them because...I guess they just want to. I've never been sure what's in it for them, beyond the benefit of sharing. But I know there's plenty of movies that are almost impossible to find: certain foreign movies, movies with limited releases, collectors items. If you really like them as I sometimes do, you go out of your way to buy them, but in the meantime, some new releases sell for 30 + dollars and that's a lot of money for a test screening to see if it's worth it to own the movie.
I have thousands in my collection and some of them started out as movies that I downloaded because they were impossible to find without being charged an arm and a leg. Half of them I had to specially order and I know I'm paying through the nose because they're movies I like, respect and want to own. Before I know that though, they're asking an awful lot of money for something I could download for free.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 7, 2019 19:50:28 GMT
Why don't they just issue Iron Man 2 suits so they can alleviate themselves in their costume like Tony Stark?
When I saw the Two Towers, I desperately needed to go to the washroom but waited, so scenes of the flooding were truly water torture. Afterwards, all the washrooms were taken so I had to walk home in a hurry.
Fuck you Peter Jackson!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 19:53:16 GMT
This is in the other thread too. What is with this church like attitude towards downloading movies? Have some of you guys never downloaded anything before?
Usually when you steal something, the person you took it from no longer has it. When people download movies, they're downloading copies other people put up to share. Did you or anybody else never use services like Napster, Limewise or Kazaa before?
I just think stealing is stealing. If I spend 10 months writing a novel and try to sell it. I get it sold, but somebody comes along and scans it and puts the story online. My physical books aren't stolen but the story is. I mean someone is just sharing a copy of my book not stealing the actual book. Just because IP theft doesn't take something physical doesn't mean that the thievery is any less. What makes some thieves worse than others is the thieves that then try to take the Moral High Ground vs Morals of the Creators, themes, and characters of the IP they just stole. Edit: I will admit to a grey area in some cases as in Abadonware. I don't know what Abadonware is but I'm definitely not thinking in terms of stealing from the creators. If someone scanned your book and puts it online it sounds more like you were hacked. Your story wasn't meant to be shared at all, so somebody scanned and took something that wasn't meant to be taken.
When I download a movie, I'm not taking it from its creator. Especially if it's a Japanese black and white movie from the 50's. I'm downloading it from somebody like you or me who put it up there for that purpose.
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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 7, 2019 20:07:20 GMT
This is in the other thread too. What is with this church like attitude towards downloading movies? Have some of you guys never downloaded anything before?
Usually when you steal something, the person you took it from no longer has it. When people download movies, they're downloading copies other people put up to share. Did you or anybody else never use services like Napster, Limewise or Kazaa before?
I just think stealing is stealing. If I spend 10 months writing a novel and try to sell it. I get it sold, but somebody comes along and scans it and puts the story online. My physical books aren't stolen but the story is. I mean someone is just sharing a copy of my book not stealing the actual book. Just because IP theft doesn't take something physical doesn't mean that the thievery is any less. But the thief is the person who stole the original copy and not the people who just happened to read it online on some website. There's no law that says you can't go to a specific website and read what's on that specific website.
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Post by sostie on Feb 7, 2019 20:13:11 GMT
Well seems they didn't have the luxury you will of pausing it on their computer. Seems thievery has some benefits This is in the other thread too. What is with this church like attitude towards downloading movies? Have some of you guys never downloaded anything before?
Usually when you steal something, the person you took it from no longer has it. When people download movies, they're downloading copies other people put up to share. Did you or anybody else never use services like Napster, Limewise or Kazaa before?
More of a case of he got caught in a big lie. In one case made up a story about going to see a certain Marvel film on day of release while waiting for his car to be fixed just so he could criticise it with some authority (well give it his standard 1/10 marking) and then let slip sometime later he watched it online. His comprehension of what went on in a lot of the films also showed he was watching some pretty bad copies. He has no interest in the films other than having some backround to criticise. He's also constantly quick to accuse anyone connected with the MCU with any form of criminality, and thinks he has a moral superiority over MCU fans....yet cannot accept what he is doing is stealing (and it is...downloaded or streaming a film without paying is denying the creators of revenue). I'm sure there'd be less fuss if he just owned it,and admitted what he is doing is not legal, or at least encourages/supports illegality...but he won't.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 20:15:35 GMT
I just think stealing is stealing. If I spend 10 months writing a novel and try to sell it. I get it sold, but somebody comes along and scans it and puts the story online. My physical books aren't stolen but the story is. I mean someone is just sharing a copy of my book not stealing the actual book. Just because IP theft doesn't take something physical doesn't mean that the thievery is any less. But the thief is the person who stole the original copy and not the people who just happened to read it online on some website. There's no law that says you can't go to a specific website and read what's on that specific website. They're not even necessarily a thief, they could have acquired a movie legally and then chose to share it, which would make ignoring the FBI warning about distributing the worst of their crimes. But then we get into talking about 500,000 dollar fines or jail-time for sharing what you rightfully own with other people. That's just way too steep a penalty given how expensive movies are. I understand the principle, but this is also the penalty for not playing along with corporate greed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 20:25:43 GMT
This is in the other thread too. What is with this church like attitude towards downloading movies? Have some of you guys never downloaded anything before?
Usually when you steal something, the person you took it from no longer has it. When people download movies, they're downloading copies other people put up to share. Did you or anybody else never use services like Napster, Limewise or Kazaa before?
More of a case of he got caught in a big lie. In one case made up a story about going to see a certain Marvel film on day of release while waiting for his car to be fixed just so he could criticise it with some authority (well give it his standard 1/10 marking) and then let slip sometime later he watched it online. His comprehension of what went on in a lot of the films also showed he was watching some pretty bad copies. He has no interest in the films other than having some backround to criticise. He's also constantly quick to accuse anyone connected with the MCU with any form of criminality, and thinks he has a moral superiority over MCU fans....yet cannot accept what he is doing is stealing (and it is...downloaded or streaming a film without paying is denying the creators of revenue). I'm sure there'd be less fuss if he just owned it,and admitted what he is doing is not legal, or at least encourages/supports illegality...but he won't. It took me a while to connect those dots, you're talking about DC-Fan. I know he can be a pill but my argument doesn't hinge on suffering for his sins. For a stretch of my life I lived without cable and didn't even know about the existence of Netflix yet. It's not a given that you can just wait for a movie to be on cable if you can't afford cable. I lived with two roommates and one of them didn't work (our issue, nobody else's but it was what it was) and were it not for the internet and being able to stream and download, we'd have no release. No entertainment or quality of life.
I'm fairly aware what I've done. I'd say my attitude is more ambivalent than a strictly one-sided take of it's wrong or not wrong. I know it's morally ambiguous, but I also know that if you've always had cable and movie channels then it's hard to put yourself inside the shoes of someone who hasn't. I love the MCU so DC-Fan and I won't exactly align on that, that's for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 20:49:55 GMT
I’ll just go for a piss during the Guardians of the Galaxy’s scenes. That's what I did last time!
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Post by Vassaggo on Feb 7, 2019 20:52:42 GMT
I just think stealing is stealing. If I spend 10 months writing a novel and try to sell it. I get it sold, but somebody comes along and scans it and puts the story online. My physical books aren't stolen but the story is. I mean someone is just sharing a copy of my book not stealing the actual book. Just because IP theft doesn't take something physical doesn't mean that the thievery is any less. What makes some thieves worse than others is the thieves that then try to take the Moral High Ground vs Morals of the Creators, themes, and characters of the IP they just stole. I would say that's more plagiarism than anything. In the case of movies, people share them because...I guess they just want to. I've never been sure what's in it for them, beyond the benefit of sharing. But I know there's plenty of movies that are almost impossible to find: certain foreign movies, movies with limited releases, collectors items. If you really like them as I sometimes do, you go out of your way to buy them, but in the meantime, some new releases sell for 30 + dollars and that's a lot of money for a test screening to see if it's worth it to own the movie.
I have thousands in my collection and some of them started out as movies that I downloaded because they were impossible to find without being charged an arm and a leg. Half of them I had to specially order and I know I'm paying through the nose because they're movies I like, respect and want to own. Before I know that though, they're asking an awful lot of money for something I could download for free.
In this case the product is experiencing the story. If you experience the story without compensating the creator you have stolen that experience. Which means you have stolen the creators product. If you knew someone that worked in a movie theater and they let you watch movies for free without the permission of the theater owner you are stealing that viewing. In the end, we are just talking about how you are transmitting or receiving the stolen product. IP and Copyright law states that if you own the DVD you can view it with others (in a private setting no public viewing), let someone borrow it, or sell the dvd. When you "share" it online isn't the same as letting someone borrow your dvd. Each "share" is a duplication of the original IP. It would be akin to you buying a dvd copying 10, 100, 10,000, 1,000,000 times and then handing them out to anybody who wants to view it. When it comes to Streaming as some state it isn't duplication because you aren't downloading the whole or storing it. You are duplicating in real time and then destroying the copy as you watch. This is a leap in logic that tries to diminish the theft. It would be like some one making a 1000 copies of a movie, giving it to you free, and then after you watch it destroying the disk. You still experience the IP without compensating which is stealing the product as the product is the Experience. The method on how the Experience is stored is inconsequential. Abandonware is a class of software akin to an out of production movie. The creators don't care or stop protecting their copyright to bit of IP. Where Abandonware and out of production Movies get grey is the technology is getting to where once something was abandoned in the past is coming back. IE Atari, Sega, Nintendo flashbacks. They aren't selling the tech to play 30 year old games. They are selling the ability to play those games. The Software is the Product not the bit of tech that allows you to play it. Hence they have started to protect their copyrights again. The same thing is happening to movies. With the ease of Information transfer (one of the limits on getting foreign or low production count movies out there) people are starting to protect those Copyrights again. No matter how you slice it when it comes to Intellectual Properties... IE Ideas, Experiences, Stories if a creator owns the Copyright and you actively seekout and experience those Ideas without compensating the creators (Creators aren't just the directors, actors, writers, etc they are the studios that made them. As most studios paid money to gain those rights and without them larger IP can't get created) you are stealing. As for the distinction of reading the hypothetical book online. The Statues say that if you "innocently infringe" on copyright you aren't liable. So if you just go to a website looking for something to read and someone has reprinted the book then you are in the innocent category. If you go to a website to read books that you know aren't in the Public Domain then you aren't innocent. It's the intent. If you use a program to stream a movie for free that's still in the theater you know that's not in the Public Domain you aren't innocent. You are stealing the content.
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