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Post by charzhino on Feb 19, 2019 14:57:48 GMT
The social media embargo is going to lift tonight at 9.30PT.
Dont be surprised to see a wraith of gushy, cringey thumbs up reviews. For those who dont know, Disney-Marvel selectively picks a certain core of "film critics" and bloggers who are usually all based in CA/NY and are generally all within the geek-fandom circle. These are the people who are writing up MCU fan theory articles and the like. Marvel deliberately avoids real mainstream movie critics and those from areas like Chicago and Seattle. Whilst theres nothing inherently wrong about this play, it is shady as these nerd-bloggers are much more inclined to give any MCU movie an overly positive review thus creating the positive early buzz echo chamber you hear from many recent Marvel releases. So again dont be surprised if you hear tonight that "Captain Marvel is the best MCU movie to date" because no genuine unaffiliated movie critic would ever say anything close to that.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 19, 2019 15:09:04 GMT
1. Do you have proof of this or is this just your opinion? 2. What has this got to do with the embargo lift?
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Feb 19, 2019 15:19:51 GMT
Please provide a complete list of these selectively picked "film critics".
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Post by dazz on Feb 19, 2019 15:33:12 GMT
Which strangely is also the same crop of critics that also get to see most of the big blockbuster releases and yet give much less glowing reviews on average to the DC films, or Transformer movies, hell even the latest Potter films...almost as if they can discern quality despite their fandom Also they do include critics from elsewhere except they don't have pure press screenings like those in NY or LA can attend due to smaller number of critics and more limited cinema selections available outside a LA or NY by comparison, so it can be harder for a critic to make those screenings or have the same experience.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 19, 2019 15:54:53 GMT
You're wrong. It's gonna be a blood bath, charzy.
GET HER A BODY BAG! YEAAAAAH!
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Post by Power Ranger on Feb 19, 2019 16:31:39 GMT
These nerd bloggers are generally dimwits who are easily pleased.
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Post by charzhino on Feb 19, 2019 16:31:43 GMT
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Post by charzhino on Feb 19, 2019 16:35:05 GMT
You're wrong. It's gonna be a blood bath, charzy. GET HER A BODY BAG! YEAAAAAH! Im not wrong. You'll see tonight the same reviewers coming out with outlandish statements about Captain Marvel
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Post by charzhino on Feb 19, 2019 16:36:03 GMT
Which strangely is also the same crop of critics that also get to see most of the big blockbuster releases and yet give much less glowing reviews on average to the DC films, or Transformer movies, hell even the latest Potter films...almost as if they can discern quality despite their fandom Also they do include critics from elsewhere except they don't have pure press screenings like those in NY or LA can attend due to smaller number of critics and more limited cinema selections available outside a LA or NY by comparison, so it can be harder for a critic to make those screenings or have the same experience. I dont think they are the same but ill look into it
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Post by charzhino on Feb 19, 2019 16:38:41 GMT
These nerd bloggers are generally dimwits who are easily pleased. This. In a nutshell. Look at their twitter pages you can tell instantly they are from nerd culture and not from authentic movie critic circles. Disney are scared if they invite real movie critics then their early buzz will not be as buzzing. Theyre doing whats best for business but a lot of people are not aware.
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Post by bud47 on Feb 19, 2019 16:44:30 GMT
These nerd bloggers are generally dimwits who are easily pleased. This. In a nutshell. Look at their twitter pages you can tell instantly they are from nerd culture and not from authentic movie critic circles. Disney are scared if they invite real movie critics then their early buzz will not be as buzzing. Theyre doing whats best for business but a lot of people are not aware. And you're going to make everyone aware and that's going to change what exactly?
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Post by charzhino on Feb 19, 2019 16:49:41 GMT
This. In a nutshell. Look at their twitter pages you can tell instantly they are from nerd culture and not from authentic movie critic circles. Disney are scared if they invite real movie critics then their early buzz will not be as buzzing. Theyre doing whats best for business but a lot of people are not aware. And you're going to make everyone aware and that's going to change what exactly? To stop believing the inevitable OTT hype thats gonna hit when the embargo lifts tonight. This thread isnt for MCU diehards who will eat anything thrown at them like every one whose replied so far. Its for those who are passive fans that will get tricked by Disney into believing Captain Marvel is a must watch movie of 2019 because a bunch of sweetened up reviewers said so. Its disingenuous.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Feb 19, 2019 17:03:13 GMT
But the RT and metacritic scores for almost all the MCU movies are very high. So the "real movie critics" seem to agree with the nerd culture reviews.
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Feb 19, 2019 17:04:04 GMT
It's amusing how obsessed with the MCU its detractors on this board are. Is there seriously an hour-long block of any day that it's not living rent-free in your little heads?
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Post by dazz on Feb 19, 2019 17:05:57 GMT
These nerd bloggers are generally dimwits who are easily pleased. This. In a nutshell. Look at their twitter pages you can tell instantly they are from nerd culture and not from authentic movie critic circles. Disney are scared if they invite real movie critics then their early buzz will not be as buzzing. Theyre doing whats best for business but a lot of people are not aware. But that's also why people care about the reviews it's not up their own arse shitheads who look down on something because oh it's just a comic book movie, oh look talking cares how laughable, it's more normal people who have the same affinity for stuff like this and a similar type of taste as you do.
Look at how many huge money series there have been that have little positive reception among "authentic" critics, people don't care what stuck up cunts think nor do they care what random fuck knuckle in asshat Indiana thinks, they look at what the people they know or like think and judge based on that.
Which isn't to say these people aren't legit, they just like geek culture is all, which is where you can see a difference between the critics and their fans, I like a few youtube critics, but you watch them and you see the difference between the ones who are the critics who get invited to the screenings and the ones who aren't and are on the shows because they work for the company in other ways.
But yeah a lot of them do go over the fucking top a lot, no doubt but that's not just Disney all the companies do it, and not just for movies, game companies invite well known online critics/fans to go and play their games early, they pick those who are fans because they best represent the audience the games are aimed at, no one is inviting a gamer who hates blood and violence and heavily loves Dance Dance Revolution to go and play and review the new bloody Mortal Kombat game, I mean how many KKK card carry members got invited to review Black Panther before it came out? probably none because they know this shit aint got a hope in hell of a good review, that's just sense.
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Post by DSDSquared on Feb 19, 2019 17:11:51 GMT
If early reviews praised the movie and then later reviews gave you a lower score, you would have a point. However, they do not and you do not. The movies are praised early and late because, get this, they are typically very well done.
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Post by charzhino on Feb 19, 2019 17:28:49 GMT
This. In a nutshell. Look at their twitter pages you can tell instantly they are from nerd culture and not from authentic movie critic circles. Disney are scared if they invite real movie critics then their early buzz will not be as buzzing. Theyre doing whats best for business but a lot of people are not aware. But that's also why people care about the reviews it's not up their own arse shitheads who look down on something because oh it's just a comic book movie, oh look talking cares how laughable, it's more normal people who have the same affinity for stuff like this and a similar type of taste as you do.
Look at how many huge money series there have been that have little positive reception among "authentic" critics, people don't care what stuck up WAFFLEs think nor do they care what random fuck knuckle in asshat Indiana thinks, they look at what the people they know or like think and judge based on that.
Which isn't to say these people aren't legit, they just like geek culture is all, which is where you can see a difference between the critics and their fans, I like a few youtube critics, but you watch them and you see the difference between the ones who are the critics who get invited to the screenings and the ones who aren't and are on the shows because they work for the company in other ways.
But yeah a lot of them do go over the fucking top a lot, no doubt but that's not just Disney all the companies do it, and not just for movies, game companies invite well known online critics/fans to go and play their games early, they pick those who are fans because they best represent the audience the games are aimed at, no one is inviting a gamer who hates blood and violence and heavily loves Dance Dance Revolution to go and play and review the new bloody Mortal Kombat game, I mean how many KKK card carry members got invited to review Black Panther before it came out? probably none because they know this shit aint got a hope in hell of a good review, that's just sense.
Target audience-like critics are fine, but they are bound to give these Marvel movies in particular a better review than others. We should be aiming for neutrality from a critical consensus. Now you cant force these geek circle reviewer's to tone down their biases, they will more often than not show loyality which is why they keep getting invited by Disney-Marvel to every new early release. But having critics from a wider variety of backgrounds at early press screenings would showcase a truer reflection on the movie. Not just through the eyes of someone like Charlie aka Emergency Awesome. I know its not just Disney doing this as you pointed out a lot of game companies hand pick game reviewers too. I just find the whole idea of this "early reactions are in - and they are amazing" scheme a con. Its the closest thing youl get to Disney paid off the critics- which I never believed btw
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Post by darkpast on Feb 19, 2019 17:30:06 GMT
1. Do you have proof of this or is this just your opinion? 2. What has this got to do with the embargo lift?
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Post by charzhino on Feb 19, 2019 17:30:52 GMT
If early reviews praised the movie and then later reviews gave you a lower score, you would have a point. However, they do not and you do not. The movies are praised early and late because, get this, they are typically very well done. Dont they? Early tomatoemeter scores are usually exceedingly high for most movies and generally decline as more wider array of critics start publishing their reviews and scores.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 19, 2019 17:31:13 GMT
Please provide a complete list of these selectively picked "film critics". Also an explanation as to why he cares so much about this stuff. "RAWR, I don't like Marvel movies and I don't want anyone else to, either!"
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