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Post by Aj_June on Mar 24, 2019 17:29:35 GMT
Whether or not D&D know more about the story than me is irrelevant. The fact remains that they have diverted substantially from the source material. They've admitted as much, Martin has admitted as much, and most would agree that its all to the show's detriment. Most are fools. Deviations improved the show from the juvenile fantasy crap it was taken from starting in the very first season. The quality drop in later seasons results from conscious adaptation to a mass audience, not to simply being deviations, as purist dumbfucks want to believe. Me thinks that it was always catered to the masses although more strongly in the later seasons. The quality drop also coincides with lack of original material.
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Post by DSDSquared on Mar 25, 2019 12:14:28 GMT
One seemingly minor scene in season 2 I like to bring up in conversations like this is the scene between Littlefinger and Cersei, where she nearly kills him spewing the "Power is Power" nonsense. It's a ridiculous scene that is never mentioned again, and is only there to show D&D playing favourites even way back then. They love Cersei and hate Littlefinger, and this culminates in the latest season where Littlefinger is killed off like a simple nuisance, while Cersei remains the imposing Big Bad, even though it really should have been the other way around. To each their own. This was one of my favorite scenes.
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Post by DSDSquared on Mar 25, 2019 12:16:52 GMT
So, back to the associated question and other worst moments. The brothel scenes need mention here. Many will think of "play with her arse" in S1E07 but I didn't mind that one because it was used to cover the most insightful exposition by Littlefinger, telling his game and his motives. Yes, it was overdone, but it felt like it was on purpose, to distract viewers from the real stuff they were hearing at the same time. That made it deviously justified. What was indeed a lesser moment was its comeback in S2E01, with Ros repeating just the same to another prostitute. "Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?"  At this point, it felt unnecessary and was topped by the next brothel scene, in S2E02, with Littlefinger peeking through a hole, watching his customers. That had no added value whatsoever, we could have just as well gone to grieving Ros immediately and I worried about the series getting worse at this point.  Fortunately, it stopped there and the series did not fall into some soft porn excuse for… I don't really know who should have been the target for that, really. In the age of free porn on the Internet, I did not understand the point of this attempt at titillation. When Caligula was made in 1979, that was something else but by 2012, no, I'm afraid I didn't get it. Filler. By comparison, Theon shagging the captain's daughter on the ship was not filler. It exposed Theon the best way possible. Another bad moment in S2 was the shadow monster. I never liked the fantasy part of the story so when magic killers started appearing to resolve plot points, I feared the absolute worst. What was up next? Gandalf? Fortunately, that stopped too.  I am with you in that I do not mind the Littlefinger scene in Season One, but hate the Ros retread scene. I understand what they were trying to do, but it did not work. I also get what you mean about Littlefinger looking through his peephole. However, it did help give us the scene in Season Five where he looks through it again and sees his brothel destroyed. It is a good moment.
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Post by DSDSquared on Mar 25, 2019 12:17:45 GMT
The worst scene on the entire show to me was the desert scene with the Sand Snakes in Season Five with the Captain neck deep in sand with the scorpions on him. That scene was straight out of Xena Warrior Princess and not Game of Thrones.
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Post by DSDSquared on Mar 25, 2019 12:22:58 GMT
The people of Meereen hissing at Daenerys in unison. Terrible. The introduction of the Sand Snakes. Just an awful scene. Obara’s monologue is embarrassing. Literally the two worst scenes in an otherwise amazing show.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Mar 25, 2019 14:26:48 GMT
The worst scene on the entire show to me was the desert scene with the Sand Snakes in Season Five with the Captain neck deep in sand with the scorpions on him. That scene was straight out of Xena Warrior Princess and not Game of Thrones. I believe this must have been the first truly cringe-worthy scene of the series. But you know what? It could have been even worse: 
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Post by DSDSquared on Mar 25, 2019 16:14:56 GMT
The worst scene on the entire show to me was the desert scene with the Sand Snakes in Season Five with the Captain neck deep in sand with the scorpions on him. That scene was straight out of Xena Warrior Princess and not Game of Thrones. I believe this must have been the first truly cringe-worthy scene of the series. But you know what? It could have been even worse: Yeah but it was still a decent episode. I really paid attention to the episodes this watch through. There is not one bad episode. Sure, the show is not perfect and there are scenes here and there that are less than stellar, like this one, but none of the episodes are actually bad in my opinion.
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Post by Marendil on Mar 25, 2019 17:31:23 GMT
The people of Meereen hissing at Daenerys in unison. Terrible. The introduction of the Sand Snakes. Just an awful scene. Obara’s monologue is embarrassing. Literally the two worst scenes in an otherwise amazing show. What did you find so awful about the hissing? It only lasted a few seconds and I thought it an interesting way to show a negative reaction from a crowd. Would it have been better had they booed?
The second one was terrible though. Ugh.
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Post by DSDSquared on Mar 25, 2019 18:20:00 GMT
Literally the two worst scenes in an otherwise amazing show. What did you find so awful about the hissing? It only lasted a few seconds and I thought it an interesting way to show a negative reaction from a crowd. Would it have been better had they booed?
The second one was terrible though. Ugh.
It is just awkward. Kind of funny too because I just watched that episode yesterday. It just seems cringy to me and out of place.
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Post by Marendil on Mar 25, 2019 18:27:16 GMT
What did you find so awful about the hissing? It only lasted a few seconds and I thought it an interesting way to show a negative reaction from a crowd. Would it have been better had they booed?
The second one was terrible though. Ugh.
It is just awkward. Kind of funny too because I just watched that episode yesterday. It just seems cringy to me and out of place. I saw it a couple days ago myself, (Next up on my rewatch: "Hardhome") it seemed to me simply a different way of showing them 'boo.'
Does a hissing crowd have some special significance where you're from?
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Post by DSDSquared on Mar 25, 2019 18:51:32 GMT
It is just awkward. Kind of funny too because I just watched that episode yesterday. It just seems cringy to me and out of place. I saw it a couple days ago myself, (Next up on my rewatch: "Hardhome") it seemed to me simply a different way of showing them 'boo.'
Does a hissing crowd have some special significance where you're from?
No and that is the point. It just seems like a strange thing to do and does not make sense. I could understand if this were Dorne. It will still be cheesy, but maybe they could represent those loyal to the Sand Snake's cause or something, but in Mareen? It just seems odd and out of place to me. They all did it at the same time in rhythm with no explanation of what it means beyond they were just mad at Dany for executing the slave boy.
I actually just watched Hardhome today. Great episode. I love the Wildling woman leader. She is only in this one episode, yet is very interesting and left you wanting to know more about her and her story. I notice that there are so many characters in Game of Thrones like this. That is one of the things that makes this show so great. Here we have a very good character who is only there for a minute and dies. It happens a lot on this show. There are so many great characters throughout the series it is impossible to even name them all. Think about Oberyn Martell. On any other show he would be the best character on the show easily, but on Game of Thrones he only lasts eight episodes and dies in horrific fashion.
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Post by Marendil on Mar 25, 2019 21:12:12 GMT
I saw it a couple days ago myself, (Next up on my rewatch: "Hardhome") it seemed to me simply a different way of showing them 'boo.'
Does a hissing crowd have some special significance where you're from?
No and that is the point. It just seems like a strange thing to do and does not make sense. I could understand if this were Dorne. It will still be cheesy, but maybe they could represent those loyal to the Sand Snake's cause or something, but in Mareen? It just seems odd and out of place to me. They all did it at the same time in rhythm with no explanation of what it means beyond they were just mad at Dany for executing the slave boy.
I actually just watched Hardhome today. Great episode. I love the Wildling woman leader. She is only in this one episode, yet is very interesting and left you wanting to know more about her and her story. I notice that there are so many characters in Game of Thrones like this. That is one of the things that makes this show so great. Here we have a very good character who is only there for a minute and dies. It happens a lot on this show. There are so many great characters throughout the series it is impossible to even name them all. Think about Oberyn Martell. On any other show he would be the best character on the show easily, but on Game of Thrones he only lasts eight episodes and dies in horrific fashion.
I definitely agree with the second, the first time through I thought they were introducing her to take the 'Val' role from the books, to spend that time on her and then just kill her off made that episode even more poignant.
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Post by Aj_June on Mar 25, 2019 22:11:43 GMT
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Mar 26, 2019 5:27:34 GMT
I believe this must have been the first truly cringe-worthy scene of the series. But you know what? It could have been even worse: Yeah but it was still a decent episode. I really paid attention to the episodes this watch through. There is not one bad episode. Sure, the show is not perfect and there are scenes here and there that are less than stellar, like this one, but none of the episodes are actually bad in my opinion. I would agree, even though the last two had serious flaws. I distinctly remember a bad taste creeping up near the end of the season and that was after Hardhome. I think the dragon riding was the worst offence to me,but not the only one. That shot I linked was not in the episode and must be part of some nonsense wisely cut out. I suspect there is a worse version of that scene somewhere waiting for release…
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Mar 26, 2019 5:33:38 GMT
I saw it a couple days ago myself, (Next up on my rewatch: "Hardhome") it seemed to me simply a different way of showing them 'boo.' Does a hissing crowd have some special significance where you're from? No and that is the point. It just seems like a strange thing to do and does not make sense. So it is just like clapping hands in applause. Someone from a foreign culture could find it strange and cheesy too. That hissing is just another version of "booing" or whistling. Essos is meant to feel foreign.
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Post by DSDSquared on Mar 26, 2019 11:45:10 GMT
No and that is the point. It just seems like a strange thing to do and does not make sense. So it is just like clapping hands in applause. Someone from a foreign culture could find it strange and cheesy too. That hissing is just another version of "booing" or whistling. Essos is meant to feel foreign. That is a good explanation and makes sense.
I thought about it last night and figured out the real worst scene in the show's history. It is in Episode 10 of Season 5. It is when the Sand Snake says bye to Bronn at the docks when they are leaving Dorne for King's Landing. "You want and good girl but need that bad ****)" Oh my God. Cringeworthy to the hundredth degree. This is why, in my opinion, season five is the worst season. Sure, it is still great with plenty of amazing scenes. Hardhome is incredible, the Walk of Shame is done very well, etc. Amazing season like all of them, but there are just so many bad scenes. I could make an argument that there was not one bad scene in the first four seasons. Sure, it sounds insane, but I believe it to be true. They are pretty much perfect. In season five we have the horrible Dorne scenes and we have lines like this that make me cringe when I watch certain scenes. I should never cringe during any of Game of Thrones.
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Post by sdm3 on Mar 26, 2019 12:43:01 GMT
So it is just like clapping hands in applause. Someone from a foreign culture could find it strange and cheesy too. That hissing is just another version of "booing" or whistling. Essos is meant to feel foreign. That is a good explanation and makes sense.
I thought about it last night and figured out the real worst scene in the show's history. It is in Episode 10 of Season 5. It is when the Sand Snake says bye to Bronn at the docks when they are leaving Dorne for King's Landing. "You want and good girl but need that bad ****)" Oh my God. Cringeworthy to the hundredth degree. This is why, in my opinion, season five is the worst season. Sure, it is still great with plenty of amazing scenes. Hardhome is incredible, the Walk of Shame is done very well, etc. Amazing season like all of them, but there are just so many bad scenes. I could make an argument that there was not one bad scene in the first four seasons. Sure, it sounds insane, but I believe it to be true. They are pretty much perfect. In season five we have the horrible Dorne scenes and we have lines like this that make me cringe when I watch certain scenes. I should never cringe during any of Game of Thrones.
No terrible scenes in the first four seasons? How about Littlefinger’s “play with her arse” scene? Talking about how he’s going to fuck the Starks while his whores loudly fist each other? Or Xaro Xhoan Daxos invoking “sumai” to allow Dany into Qarth, aka cutting his hand in a more Klingon ritual than anything that would fit in GoT? Or Theon being seduced by Ramsay’s two girls right before he got castrated? “It’s my turn!” “I saw him first!” Or how about Yara and her men running away from the Dreadfort after Ramsay “released the hounds”? There are plenty of bad scenes in the first four seasons. |
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Post by DSDSquared on Mar 26, 2019 13:03:25 GMT
That is a good explanation and makes sense.
I thought about it last night and figured out the real worst scene in the show's history. It is in Episode 10 of Season 5. It is when the Sand Snake says bye to Bronn at the docks when they are leaving Dorne for King's Landing. "You want and good girl but need that bad ****)" Oh my God. Cringeworthy to the hundredth degree. This is why, in my opinion, season five is the worst season. Sure, it is still great with plenty of amazing scenes. Hardhome is incredible, the Walk of Shame is done very well, etc. Amazing season like all of them, but there are just so many bad scenes. I could make an argument that there was not one bad scene in the first four seasons. Sure, it sounds insane, but I believe it to be true. They are pretty much perfect. In season five we have the horrible Dorne scenes and we have lines like this that make me cringe when I watch certain scenes. I should never cringe during any of Game of Thrones.
No terrible scenes in the first four seasons? How about Littlefinger’s “play with her arse” scene? Talking about how he’s going to fuck the Starks while his whores loudly fist each other? Or Xaro Xhoan Daxos invoking “sumai” to allow Dany into Qarth, aka cutting his hand in a more Klingon ritual than anything that would fit in GoT? Or Theon being seduced by Ramsay’s two girls right before he got castrated? “It’s my turn!” “I saw him first!” Or how about Yara and her men running away from the Dreadfort after Ramsay “released the hounds”? There are plenty of bad scenes in the first four seasons. I honestly liked every single one of those scenes. Littlefinger's scene is actually pretty decent. Sure, it was porn for the sake of it on HBO, but his dialogue is very good and gives you a lot of insight into Littlefinger and his motivations. What was wrong with Ducksauce's sumai? I was not a huge fan of the Qarth storyline, but that scene was fine. It was the greatest scene on the show compared to some of the Dorne scenes. The Ramsey and Theon scenes were great to me. That one helped to enhance Theon's torment and was actually quite amusing, much like the sausage eating scene. Ramsey is just a troll and I love it.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Mar 26, 2019 13:19:47 GMT
So it is just like clapping hands in applause. Someone from a foreign culture could find it strange and cheesy too. That hissing is just another version of "booing" or whistling. Essos is meant to feel foreign. That is a good explanation and makes sense.
I thought about it last night and figured out the real worst scene in the show's history. It is in Episode 10 of Season 5. It is when the Sand Snake says bye to Bronn at the docks when they are leaving Dorne for King's Landing. "You want and good girl but need that bad ****)" Oh my God. Cringeworthy to the hundredth degree. This is why, in my opinion, season five is the worst season. It was a bad line, not a bad scene. I can always trust idiots of your kind to mix things up without any sense of perspectives. Then they make the season with the bad line which they saw as a bad scene the worst one in the series, demonstrating the utter worthlessness of whatever they have to say. You're a complete waste of bytes. Anyway, this bad line was actually the finest foreshadowing… 
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Post by DSDSquared on Mar 26, 2019 13:28:53 GMT
That is a good explanation and makes sense.
I thought about it last night and figured out the real worst scene in the show's history. It is in Episode 10 of Season 5. It is when the Sand Snake says bye to Bronn at the docks when they are leaving Dorne for King's Landing. "You want and good girl but need that bad ****)" Oh my God. Cringeworthy to the hundredth degree. This is why, in my opinion, season five is the worst season. It was a bad line, not a bad scene. I can always trust idiots of your kind to mix things up without any sense of perspectives. Then they make the season with the bad line which they saw as a bad scene the worst one in the series, demonstrating the utter worthlessness of whatever they have to say. You're a complete waste of bytes. Anyway, this bad line was actually the finest foreshadowing…
It was not a great scene. Did you even see it? Probably not. The only idiot here is you. You live in a delusional world where Cersei is somehow the good guy of this story. It kind of makes sense though. You have not even watched entire seasons yet feel the need to give dumb opinions on them. I am beginning to think you are just a troll.
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