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Post by lenlenlen1 on Feb 25, 2019 18:57:32 GMT
Does anyone else hate that it turns out that Jude Law is NOT playing the first Captain Mar-Vell, but rather another character named Yon-Rogg?
I thought it was clear that Jude Law was playing the character Mar-Vell, who in Marvel comics is the original kree warrior Captain Marvel. Later, after decades worth of adventures, his powers were transferred over to Carol Danvers and she became Ms. Marvel, and then decades after that, she took his name too, becoming the one and only current version of Captain Marvel.
That's all well and fine because you cant erase reality and we all know Captain Marvel existed.
But here comes the movie and now it turns out that there will never have been a previous Captain Marvel? That instead they're basically ret-conning the whole origin and ignoring the other character altogether, in favor of some c-list character called Yon-Rogg? ...Because Carol Danvers/Captain Marvel cant be seen as being subservient in any way to a man, so they're erasing the whole reality of how things happened?
There have been some ret-cons in both the comics and the MCU, but this takes the cake! All the grrl power ra ra stuff doesn't actually bother me, all the Brie Larson commentary stuff doesn't bother me either, those are just the sign of the times and I take it in stride. In fact I agree that women need to take more agency.
But this does bother me... because that character exists, that character was important, that character was one of the most significant aspects of the Thanos storyline overall. In fact its a bit of a travesty that the Thanos storyline is being told without the original Captain Marvel and Adam Warlock, the two great heroes of the storyline. And now he's just going to get wiped away? They're re-writing history because its not conducive to grrl power?
That's cheap.
I'm not going to lie and say I'm not going to see this movie, after all I love me some MCU, but this is going to stick in my craw a little...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 19:05:00 GMT
As someone who had never heard of Captain Marvel, Carol or Mar Vel before the movie was announced and has no attachment whatsoever to the source material... YES! I AM OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!&!!! |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Feb 25, 2019 19:31:59 GMT
As someone who had never heard of Captain Marvel, Carol or Mar Vel before the movie was announced and has no attachment whatsoever to the source material... YES! I AM OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!&!!! But I am someone who has heard of Captain Marvel, Carol, Mar-Vell before the movie was announced and have an emotional attachment to the source material.
But I'm still not...
outraged
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 25, 2019 19:38:41 GMT
I wish he was playing Adam Warlock
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Post by sostie on Feb 25, 2019 19:54:47 GMT
In all honesty I don't care. In a medium where ret-conning is common place I take a lot of these things with a pinch of salt when it comes to film adaptations. Yon-Rogg has his place in the Marvel story, they just have decided to not lumber the storyline (i assume) with the story of an earlier Marvel (Mar-vell). He may appear in the future, or not. Not overly bothered
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Feb 25, 2019 19:55:05 GMT
Never heard of any of them so, no.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 25, 2019 20:00:58 GMT
When I first heard of the Marvel "Captain Marvel" I thought
who is this imposter?
It's never a good thing to have a major character sharing the same name with another.
Imagine running into a super villain that knows both..
You would never be able to live down the taunts.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 26, 2019 13:05:06 GMT
If only because I like Jude Law as an actor and this virtually guarantees his character is a one-off.
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Post by havenless on Feb 26, 2019 13:57:24 GMT
Well, your concren stems primarily from the fact that you wrongfully assumed Jude Law was ever going to be the original Captain Marvel. How is that possibly Marvel’s fault? They never strung you along, you built this narrative entirely out of false spoiler material other people made up. Having said that, it in no way implies that Mar-Vell isn’t in the movie.
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Post by politicidal on Feb 26, 2019 17:36:45 GMT
I wish he was playing Adam Warlock My guess is they're saving that for Guardians 3.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Feb 26, 2019 19:56:35 GMT
Well, your concren stems primarily from the fact that you wrongfully assumed Jude Law was ever going to be the original Captain Marvel. How is that possibly Marvel’s fault? They never strung you along, you built this narrative entirely out of false spoiler material other people made up. Having said that, it in no way implies that Mar-Vell isn’t in the movie. Nope. It was said many times that he was playing Mar-Vell, even on IMDB. Why wouldn't I think that information was correct? I wish I had screenshots.
In fact it was said SO many times that I believe he actually WAS Mar-Vell, until they decided last minute to change it so it wouldn't seem that Carol Danvers is in any way subservient to a male mentor figure.
They've even gone as far as to turn the Supreme Intelligence into Annette Bening!!!!!
This is the Supreme Intelligence:
How the fuck is that Annette Bening?!?!? To be fair they never actually gave the Supreme Intelligence a specific "gender" but certainly no one eve thought it was Annette Bening!
Its one thing to ret-con, but this is erasing history altogether.
The biggest ret-con in comic book history is Captain America's origin. Originally they just forgot about him and oen could presume that he just grew old. But in Avengers #4 they decided that he was frozen in ice and revived in the present day. This way he could still be young even though he'd fought in WW2.
Y'see how they ret-conned without erasing history? Does one have to come at the expense of the other in order to give a female character her own agency? I never thought that Carol Danvers was "weak" or "second rate" because she got her powers from a previous male version of the character. Its just silly.
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Post by kleinreturns on Feb 26, 2019 20:49:10 GMT
Well, your concren stems primarily from the fact that you wrongfully assumed Jude Law was ever going to be the original Captain Marvel. How is that possibly Marvel’s fault? They never strung you along, you built this narrative entirely out of false spoiler material other people made up. Having said that, it in no way implies that Mar-Vell isn’t in the movie. Good point.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Feb 27, 2019 1:27:17 GMT
Well, your concren stems primarily from the fact that you wrongfully assumed Jude Law was ever going to be the original Captain Marvel. How is that possibly Marvel’s fault? They never strung you along, you built this narrative entirely out of false spoiler material other people made up. Having said that, it in no way implies that Mar-Vell isn’t in the movie. Good point. Again, nope. As I said in my previous post which you obviously didn't read:
It was said many times that he was playing Mar-Vell, even on IMDB. Why wouldn't I think that information was correct? I wish I had screenshots.
In fact it was said SO many times that I believe he actually WAS Mar-Vell, until they decided last minute to change it so it wouldn't seem that Carol Danvers is in any way subservient to a male mentor figure.
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