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Post by flyerzzrul on Mar 5, 2019 4:13:05 GMT
I said this a few years ago and it's quite obvious now Ric jr is being set Up to be the greatest woman wrestler ever and they are using Ric's popularity to set her over as they used Sasha to pad her stats. Becky's popularity must kill them
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Post by Nike316 on Mar 5, 2019 4:31:42 GMT
For real. All of her WrestleMania matches have been title matches, and now this year she'll get to main event. I'm just glad she won't win. Becky's popularity is undeniable, and she's been the only wrestler whose been able to beat Charlotte every time they face off. I don't think she'll go down like Sasha, Asuka, or Carmella did, luckily.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 10:44:03 GMT
I have been right there with you. I believe that she is the most overrated superstar on the roster currently. I say that simply because if she didn't have that bloodline/last name she wouldn't be pushed the way she is. She is destined to basically set or break any record for a woman in WWE. It's quite obvious. Her dad was a 16x World Champion. She is a 7 time Champion and she has been on the main roster for less than 4 years.
It pisses me off so much. I hate her I really do. Everything she has is literally a hand down because of her father. I can't think of a second generation talent that has gotten everything because of who their father was. She has his gimmick/theme/quotes....she has nothing original.
She doesn't deserve jack shit. Congrats your dad was a legend. You? You're basically handed everything. I will not put it past Vince that Charlotte leaves WrestleMania with the belt. Becky deserves it. She is super over. Yet Charlotte is in this match and it is believed that she was promised something. Vince hates it when somebody gets over on their own. Watch Charlotte go over simply because Vince doesn't like how Becky got over.
Ric Jr needs the title reigns, so never count her out on challenging for a title match.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 19:22:50 GMT
so if she's not the greatest woman's wrestler of all-time - who is?
moolah?
mae young?
trish?
lita?
wendi richter?
madusa?
sherri martel? (didn't she wrestle in AWA before she became a manager in WWF or am I mistaken?)
Chyna
is she not in discussion for Top 5 All-Time or am I way off?
I don't watch chick wrestling - but saw her on camera last night and remember how everybody used to call her 'horse face' - guess she got work done - although 'Amazon Looking' next to the midget commentator she kind of looked hot to me.
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Post by Nike316 on Mar 5, 2019 21:15:52 GMT
Personally I don't even put her in the top five of this era, let alone top five of all time. Trish, Lita, Chyna, AJ Lee, and Paige all were more exciting to watch imo.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 22:31:30 GMT
Personally I don't even put her in the top five of this era, let alone top five of all time. Trish, Lita, Chyna, AJ Lee, and Paige all were more exciting to watch imo. How so. i.e. - how are the above chicks 'superior'
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Post by Nike316 on Mar 5, 2019 22:43:11 GMT
^ Well, for starters, they weren't just riding the coattails of family to get ahead of wrestlers who were even bigger than they were, because they were actually the best at what they did. Trish for example, was the total package. She could be considered the greatest "diva" of all time, as well as the greatest female wrestler of all time, just based on her work with the men and women alike, from her matches, moments, and feuds overall, and the same goes for Lita, Chyna, and AJ Lee. Paige's career was cut short unfortunately, but she still was a lot more characterized as a wrestler just for her looks alone, and could be credited as the "anti-diva" more than anyone else in this era of the "Women's Revolution", let alone Charlotte.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 23:05:56 GMT
^ Well, for starters, they weren't just riding the coattails of family to get ahead of wrestlers who were even bigger than they were, because they were actually the best at what they did. Trish for example, was the total package. She could be considered the greatest "diva" of all time, as well as the greatest female wrestler of all time, just based on her work with the men and women alike, from her matches, moments, and feuds overall, and the same goes for Lita, Chyna, and AJ Lee. Paige's career was cut short unfortunately, but she still was a lot more characterized as a wrestler just for her looks alone, and could be credited as the "anti-diva" more than anyone else in this era of the "Women's Revolution", let alone Charlotte. interesting. interesting indeed. can one argue aj lee was a 'flash in the pan' who gained notoriety for being Phil Brooks wife - or am I off here? like - I think her skipping gimmick was massively over like this current chick who gives hugs............
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Post by Nike316 on Mar 5, 2019 23:20:45 GMT
Nah, AJ was already a big deal at least a year or two before she got with CM Punk. She gave the Diva's Division some new meaning at the time, and connected with fans in ways which the other women mentioned didn't even do. They loved her nerdy, girl next door, no-filtered, passionate about wrestling, Harley Quinn level of craziness which helped to put her over the top as a character as well as eye candy.
Bayley has done ok for herself as well, but she doesn't have AJ's impact.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 0:08:43 GMT
AJ Lee was the total package. She was a good worker, had a great look, and could actually cut a good promo. I'd rank her right up there with Trish imo. Trish edges her out a bit because she had a longer career I think.
In terms of the women today I'd say Alexa Bliss, Sasha Banks, Becky Lynch, Asuka are all better than Charlotte. Charlotte maybe gets that fifth spot but shes more so along the lines of a Carmella. Carmella imo even has more charisma than Charlotte does. So in no way would I put her top 5 all time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 0:30:18 GMT
intriguing.
i'm learning things here.
if you can relate an AJ vs. Trish match would it be on par with a Ricky Steamboat / Flair?
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Post by Nike316 on Mar 6, 2019 3:48:22 GMT
I'm not sure I see the connection, but I think a match between these two would have the potential to be unlike any other female wrestling match WWE has had if it happened right now. Trish is the greatest Women's Champion, AJ Lee is the greatest Divas Champion, and they're both probably the two most beloved female wrestlers of the last twenty years overall, as their impact on the Women's Division has remained the most relevant. For either one of them to come around and wrestle would be a treat in and of itself, but if they came back to wrestle each other, they would probably set a really high standard.
With this said, I think the crowd reaction would make a huge difference to this match's success. Trish and AJ could probably have their own "once in a lifetime" feel, similar to when the male wrestlers put on dream matches.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 6:15:53 GMT
I'm not sure I see the connection, but I think a match between these two would have the potential to be unlike any other female wrestling match WWE has had if it happened right now. Trish is the greatest Women's Champion, AJ Lee is the greatest Divas Champion, and they're both probably the two most beloved female wrestlers of the last twenty years overall, as their impact on the Women's Division has remained the most relevant. For either one of them to come around and wrestle would be a treat in and of itself, but if they came back to wrestle each other, they would probably set a really high standard. With this said, I think the crowd reaction would make a huge difference to this match's success. Trish and AJ could probably have their own "once in a lifetime" feel, similar to when the male wrestlers put on dream matches. interesting. interesting indeed. is it the mic work? the persona of both athletes? perhaps the ring psychology involved? brute force perhaps (i.e. maybe a Goldberg vs. Lesnar) you'll have to excuse my ignorance - as i'm a novice and have never really paid attention
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Post by Nike316 on Mar 6, 2019 11:02:43 GMT
^ I think their mic skills as well as their impact and what they live by would give them a huge hand in selling the match. "Crazy" is AJ's Superpower as she puts it, thus she would probably be looking to get into Trish's head, playing mind games to gain an advantage, while Trish would have to play up the healthy lifestyle she leads outside of wrestling to preserve her mind, body, and spirit if she's to pull off such a big victory at her age.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 6, 2019 14:14:28 GMT
Nah, AJ was already a big deal at least a year or two before she got with CM Punk. She gave the Diva's Division some new meaning at the time, and connected with fans in ways which the other women mentioned didn't even do. They loved her nerdy, girl next door, no-filtered, passionate about wrestling, Harley Quinn level of craziness which helped to put her over the top as a character as well as eye candy. Bayley has done ok for herself as well, but she doesn't have AJ's impact. Definitely. AJ's matches against Kaitlyn were a highlight for a while there. They worked very well together. Unfortunately, Bayley has suffered the same stop and start, misguided booking as most NXT call-ups. It's a shame to see someone doing incredible work get wasted. It's similar to when Vader came aboard the WWF.
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