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Post by darkpast on Mar 9, 2019 1:09:27 GMT
RT dropped to 79% , for now
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Mar 9, 2019 1:16:29 GMT
RT dropped to 79% , for now OMG worst movie ever.
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Post by darkpast on Mar 9, 2019 1:33:55 GMT
RT dropped to 79% , for now OMG worst movie ever. Its the worst reviewed MCU film since Age of Ultron
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Post by Vassaggo on Mar 9, 2019 2:22:37 GMT
I would say this was a middle tier MCU movie. It was entertaining and fun. I didn't think it was great, but it was good. I didn't find it heavy handed. I gringed one time at Jude Law. Not his acting just a few lines. Fight scenes were adequate to good. Acting across the board was good. Effects were good. Comedy beats hit well. Overall story was standard origin story with a few nice moments.
I'd give it a 7 out of 10.
I'll have to watch another time as per usual, but I don't think my opinon would change that much.
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Post by scabab on Mar 9, 2019 2:23:03 GMT
Yeah at the moment it's the lowest rated MCU since Phase 1 except for Age of Ultron. Theres next to nothing in the average scores.
If it dips a little lower it'll be the lowest since Thor Dark World.
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Post by NormanClature on Mar 9, 2019 3:05:40 GMT
Nobody seems to be taking into account how D$sney have far more leverage over critcis now than during phase 1. There are many more shill reviewers on RT now than there were 10 years ago. 6.8/10 now is far worse than say, 6.5/10, 10 years ago.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Mar 9, 2019 14:53:16 GMT
The audience score on Rotten tomatoes is now up on 52% (yesterday it was 34% i think) and the critics is down on 79% (yesterday it was 81%)
So the audience score is going up and the critics is going down
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Post by scabab on Mar 9, 2019 16:21:30 GMT
The audience score on Rotten tomatoes is now up on 52% (yesterday it was 34% i think) and the critics is down on 79% (yesterday it was 81%) So the audience score is going up and the critics is going down It's because they've removed tens of thousands of user reviews. They're protecting it at all costs.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 9, 2019 19:34:14 GMT
The audience score on Rotten tomatoes is now up on 52% (yesterday it was 34% i think) and the critics is down on 79% (yesterday it was 81%) So the audience score is going up and the critics is going down It's because they've removed tens of thousands of user reviews. They're protecting it at all costs. Apologies, can't tell if this is supposed to be sarcasm. I'll post this in this thread as well: www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/captain-marvel-rotten-tomatoes-audience-score-sandbagged-by-trolls-1193280
It had more reviews by 8 AM on it's opening day than IW had in its entire theatrical run. Needless to say those are troll reviews that have absolutely no value. Nobody is 'protecting it at all costs.' They're making sure the game isn't rigged against the film by angry manchildren.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 9, 2019 20:22:40 GMT
(Spoilers ahead at some point)
Captain Marvel is such a great character that by the time Marvel had the balls to give her her own flick, they had to retcon the MCU to fit her into the narrative. Another thing this film had going against it is that CM truly has to carry this film herself. Civil War was essentially an Avengers film. Ragnarok teamed up Thor with Hulk. Homecoming gave you a little Iron Man action; they even gave Ant-Man the Wasp in his recent sequel. Captain Marvel had to do all the heavy lifting herself with nothing but minor supporting characters literally coming along for the ride.
The audience is immersed in the MCU completely; IW featured countless heroes teaming up together and now we're going back to a time before any of these characters were in the public consciousness. So we go from the MCU in all of its splendor into the chaos of IW and then tell audiences, "Time out, here's a story from 20+ years ago with none of your favorite heroes..." Not an easy sell by any standard, and it still soared to a $61M Friday. The trolls were out in force on the internet, but the crowds were out in force in the theaters all the same.
Fairly standard superhero origin story, but solidly acted with a great mix of action, comedy and heart. Larson was better than I anticipated at bringing the character to life on the screen, Carol Danvers is instantly one of the most likeable heroes in the MCU. The film never went too far in any direction with her character and gave her plenty of depth. She has heart, focus and a sense of humor. The female empowerment message is there without being shoved down your throat.
The comedy never felt forced (as it does in Guardians 2 or AoU for example) and served to humanize (pardon the phrase, I suppose) all of the characters, even Ben Mendelsohn's Talos. (Great twist with that character, by the way.) The film also found a balance with the 90s motif; a few classic references here and there but not consistently having to elbow the audience and say, "Get it, 90s!" I even thought the use of the music was excellent for the most part (though the No Doubt sequence was a bit on the nose). As a fan of the character I'm glad she was done right, and it was fun to see her kick some ass toward the end of the film. I'm also excited at the prospect of some of these characters showing up again at some point, as most of the major players survived the events of the film. (Pleasantly surprised in particular that Jude Law survives despite playing a villain, which is usually a death sentence in the MCU.)
Admittedly the film takes a little while to get going, but again this was inevitable considering their decision to retcon the character into the MCU's past. It's awesome that Carol is the inspiration for the team name, brilliant concept right there. Looking forward to seeing this again next week, and I can't wait to see what role she plays in Endgame. (You'd think it'll be significant, considering not only her power level and cosmic origins but also the fact that her powers are derived at least indirectly from the tesseract.
It's a tough film to rate because it seems so barebones compared to its MCU contemporaries (for reasons addressed earlier). I couldn't give it less than a 7/10 and it's better than at least 9 other MCU flicks.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 9, 2019 21:44:28 GMT
(Spoilers ahead at some point) Captain Marvel is such a great character that by the time Marvel had the balls to give her her own flick, they had to retcon the MCU to fit her into the narrative. Another thing this film had going against it is that CM truly has to carry this film herself. Civil War was essentially an Avengers film. Ragnarok teamed up Thor with Hulk. Homecoming gave you a little Iron Man action; they even gave Ant-Man the Wasp in his recent sequel. Captain Marvel had to do all the heavy lifting herself with nothing but minor supporting characters literally coming along for the ride. The audience is immersed in the MCU completely; IW featured countless heroes teaming up together and now we're going back to a time before any of these characters were in the public consciousness. So we go from the MCU in all of its splendor into the chaos of IW and then tell audiences, "Time out, here's a story from 20+ years ago with none of your favorite heroes..." Not an easy sell by any standard, and it still soared to a $61M Friday. The trolls were out in force on the internet, but the crowds were out in force in the theaters all the same. Fairly standard superhero origin story, but solidly acted with a great mix of action, comedy and heart. Larson was better than I anticipated at bringing the character to life on the screen, Carol Danvers is instantly one of the most likeable heroes in the MCU. The film never went too far in any direction with her character and gave her plenty of depth. She has heart, focus and a sense of humor. The female empowerment message is there without being shoved down your throat. The comedy never felt forced (as it does in Guardians 2 or AoU for example) and served to humanize (pardon the phrase, I suppose) all of the characters, even Ben Mendelsohn's Talos. (Great twist with that character, by the way.) The film also found a balance with the 90s motif; a few classic references here and there but not consistently having to elbow the audience and say, "Get it, 90s!" I even thought the use of the music was excellent for the most part (though the No Doubt sequence was a bit on the nose). As a fan of the character I'm glad she was done right, and it was fun to see her kick some ass toward the end of the film. I'm also excited at the prospect of some of these characters showing up again at some point, as most of the major players survived the events of the film. (Pleasantly surprised in particular that Jude Law survives despite playing a villain, which is usually a death sentence in the MCU.) Admittedly the film takes a little while to get going, but again this was inevitable considering their decision to retcon the character into the MCU's past. It's awesome that Carol is the inspiration for the team name, brilliant concept right there. Looking forward to seeing this again next week, and I can't wait to see what role she plays in Endgame. (You'd think it'll be significant, considering not only her power level and cosmic origins but also the fact that her powers are derived at least indirectly from the tesseract. It's a tough film to rate because it seems so barebones compared to its MCU contemporaries (for reasons addressed earlier). I couldn't give it less than a 7/10 and it's better than at least 9 other MCU flicks. Agree with most of this except for the part about her needing to carry it on her own shoulders. She had Nick Fury in her movie, and it wasn't a small role like Ironman had in Spiderman HC. She even had Coulson.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 9, 2019 21:55:52 GMT
Agree with most of this except for the part about her needing to carry it on her own shoulders. She had Nick Fury in her movie, and it wasn't a small role like Ironman had in Spiderman HC. She even had Coulson. Much as I like Nick Fury, he isn't a headlining hero in his own film. Again, team ups have been the new wave in the MCU. Thor had Hulk. Spidey had Iron Man. Cap had everyone. Captain Marvel had Agents Fury and Coulson who did next to nothing. Iron Man did more in Homecoming than Fury did in CM.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 9, 2019 22:08:41 GMT
Agree with most of this except for the part about her needing to carry it on her own shoulders. She had Nick Fury in her movie, and it wasn't a small role like Ironman had in Spiderman HC. She even had Coulson. Much as I like Nick Fury, he isn't a headlining hero in his own film. Again, team ups have been the new wave in the MCU. Thor had Hulk. Spidey had Iron Man. Cap had everyone. Captain Marvel had Agents Fury and Coulson who did next to nothing. Iron Man did more in Homecoming than Fury did in CM. Well Wasp wasn't a headlining hero either. Neither were Black Widow and Falcon when they were featured in CATWS. And I disagree with IM doing more in Homecoming. Sure he did more powerful things (because he is more powerful than Fury) but he wasn't there for most of the movie and he didn't have as much acting or speaking lines as Fury did in this.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 9, 2019 22:39:12 GMT
Much as I like Nick Fury, he isn't a headlining hero in his own film. Again, team ups have been the new wave in the MCU. Thor had Hulk. Spidey had Iron Man. Cap had everyone. Captain Marvel had Agents Fury and Coulson who did next to nothing. Iron Man did more in Homecoming than Fury did in CM. Well Wasp wasn't a headlining hero either. Neither were Black Widow and Falcon when they were featured in CATWS. And I disagree with IM doing more in Homecoming. Sure he did more powerful things (because he is more powerful than Fury) but he wasn't there for most of the movie and he didn't have as much acting or speaking lines as Fury did in this. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this. What changes about the resolution of the plot if Fury isn't in this movie? Peter would've died on that ferry if Iron Man didn't intervene. Fury played a sidekick who happened to be Fury, he didn't do anything. No heavy lifting in terms of plot or box office draw. Iron Man is a bigger BO draw than Fury, there's no question about that. And Spider-Man is Spider-Man, he doesn't even need help. Captain Marvel is a nobody in comparison, so the fact that she had no brand name superhero help is a testament to the character's ability to carry this film.
TWS is Cap's second film, he's already an established character. Ditto with Ant-Man, and even still, Wasp is an actual superhero with powers, not some powerless shield agent. It's not even Director Fury, badass extraordinaire. It's Agent Fury. You're asking the audience to accept this film despite the fact that it's significantly lacking most of the stuff you've come to expect from MCU films.
That's what I mean by heavy lifting. The story revolves around her in every way. Audiences are here to see the title character, not an ensemble cast of heroes.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 9, 2019 22:50:50 GMT
Well Wasp wasn't a headlining hero either. Neither were Black Widow and Falcon when they were featured in CATWS. And I disagree with IM doing more in Homecoming. Sure he did more powerful things (because he is more powerful than Fury) but he wasn't there for most of the movie and he didn't have as much acting or speaking lines as Fury did in this. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this. What changes about the resolution of the plot if Fury isn't in this movie? Peter would've died on that ferry if Iron Man didn't intervene. Fury played a sidekick who happened to be Fury, he didn't do anything. No heavy lifting in terms of plot or box office draw. Iron Man is a bigger BO draw than Fury, there's no question about that. And Spider-Man is Spider-Man, he doesn't even need help. Captain Marvel is a nobody in comparison, so the fact that she had no brand name superhero help is a testament to the character's ability to carry this film.
TWS is Cap's second film, he's already an established character. Ditto with Ant-Man, and even still, Wasp is an actual superhero with powers, not some powerless shield agent. It's not even Director Fury, badass extraordinaire. It's Agent Fury. You're asking the audience to accept this film despite the fact that it's significantly lacking most of the stuff you've come to expect from MCU films.
That's what I mean by heavy lifting. The story revolves around her in every way. Audiences are here to see the title character, not an ensemble cast of heroes.
I am not saying that Fury is as popular as IM nor did he save the day like IM did. I'm saying he played a bigger part in the movie. Not that he played a more pivotal role, but played a bigger part. As for Antman, you really think Wasp is more popular than Nick Fury? Or that Falcon is more popular than Nick Fury? And to be honest, I don't really want to get into measuring who's more popular and more important than who, I'm just pointing out that it's wrong to think that the movie rested solely on Carol Danver's shoulders. Quite a number of people were curious what a young Agent Fury would look and act like. So he definitely helped, even if only a bit. If we're talking about having no help from other heroes then Black Panther and Dr. Strange would be better examples.
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Post by charzhino on Mar 10, 2019 0:19:49 GMT
Movie is about average, just very uninspiring, forgetable and bland. Main reason being that Brie Larson absolutely sucks as the lead heroine. She is outshined in her own movie by Ben Mendelson, Jude Law and Sam Jackson who are a lot more interesting to watch and all have natural charisma that shines through in their performances. Story and flashbacks are jumbled, dont integrate very smoothly. The action cinematography is poor, too many close zoom shots and shaky cam. The score is forgettable. Skrull/Kree war dynamics are well done. Pacing is steady. Not too much "Marvel humour" which was a relief.
Overall 6/10, better than antman movies, age of Ultron and GOTG1 and on par with Dr Strange, Thor 1.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 10, 2019 6:34:51 GMT
Story and flashbacks are jumbled, dont integrate very smoothly. Yep, the first half of the movie kept jumping from 1 place to another place and was just a disjointed and convoluted mess.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 10, 2019 6:35:59 GMT
Great analysis by an MCU fan!
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Post by Marendil on Mar 10, 2019 7:32:55 GMT
What makes you think she is a MCU fan? She spends almost half the video extolling the merits of WW and was hoping to see a character who could take care of Thanos all by her lonesome making the rest of the MCU heroes and heroines superfluous.
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Post by remusgrey on Mar 10, 2019 7:52:10 GMT
A 7.5/10 for me. Things got interesting for me after the first hour, which was slow. Brie Larson is passable as Carol Danvers imo; Ben Mendelsohn, Samuel L. Jackson, Lashana Lynch, and even Goose the Cat took the spotlight for me. Also, I feel like there's no need for the Avengers anymore in Endgame. Captain Marvel could've defeated Thanos here instead imo. And yeah, the storyline is just okay for me. The 90's setting was good, the humor was thankfully not like the typical MCU humor (not another one-liner every 30 seconds). The twist about the Skrulls is fine for me but also got me worried about the future of the MCU. Overall, it's a 7.5/10 for me.
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