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Post by justanaveragejoe on Mar 5, 2019 23:02:51 GMT
Jokes are only really a problem in Marvel movies. For some reason, they can be overlooked in Star Wars, Die Hard, The Godfather or even other superhero movies. There's a fair few posters here who'd be tearing Deadpool a new asshole if it was an MCU movie. I think it's because they're all like it. Amongst comic book movies you have some movies like The Dark Knight, Punisher and Logan or even Dredd and then on the other side you have movies like Deadpool, Guardians of the Galaxy and Fantastic Four. Even amongst the DCEU you have Man of Steel and then on the flip side you have Shazam. With the MCU they all have that same jokey feel to them. Some more than others but they all have jokes. None of them are dark or serious or R Rated, they're all light PG-13 movies with a lot of jokes, every one of them. [/div]
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Screenplay is marvel's biggest problem. I have never watehed a marvel film and have gotten impressed with the story itself. they are all so thin in plot.
it is better to takeย convoluted plot like dofp as critics called it than a thin plot like an mcu movie.
[/quote] Hate to break it to you, despite some gems, most screenplays for superhero movies have thin plots, and I'm including your precious X-Men.
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Post by damngumby on Mar 5, 2019 23:04:07 GMT
Wow ... lots of folks who have said that they care not about Rotten Tomatoes ... are having a complete meltdown over the RT score. LOL.
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Post by scabab on Mar 5, 2019 23:05:41 GMT
All 3 have great action and visuals yet somehow cap marvels screenplay is superior? And nearly all of mcu films are generic blockbusters yet only MoS gets criticised for that. There is no neutrality Well it depends if the downsides are in equal measure too. Aquaman was praised for the visuals and for being fun but it was criticised for the story and dialogue. Captain Marvel might also have good visuals and be a lot of fun in the same way but it might not have a weak story and dialogue. Man of Steel they said was generic but it was criticised for it's pacing and character development also. Captain Marvel could also be generic but might not have issues with it's pacing (it is 20 minutes shorter) and character development. So far Captain Marvel has an average rating of 7.04 whereas Man of Steel has a 6.25 and Aquaman a 6.05.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 5, 2019 23:06:19 GMT
83% if it was a fox movie = 71% DC=51% SONY MOVIE=61% What a joke. I would like to have a word with this critics giving it good revie for cgi and jokes. Whats funny is look at the RT scores and consensus for: Aquaman 65% : Aquaman swims with its entertainingly ludicrous tide, offering up CGI superhero spectacle that delivers energetic action with an emphasis on good old-fashioned fun. Man of Steel 56% : Man of Steel's exhilarating action and spectacle can't fully overcome its detours into generic blockbuster territory. Captain Marvel 82%* : Packed with action, humor, and visual thrills, Captain Marvel introduces the MCU's latest hero with an origin story that makes effective use of the franchise's signature formula. See the disparity. Aquaman described as good old fashioned fun but barely gets fresh. Man of Steel is supposedly generic and gets rotten. Captain Marvel is described both fun and formulaic yet gets over 80%. All 3 have great action and visuals yet somehow cap marvels screenplay is superior? And nearly all of mcu films are generic blockbusters yet only MoS gets criticised for that. There is no neutrality Infinity War has an 85% rating. Let's not pretend that MoS or Aquaman is anywhere near as good as IW.
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Post by charzhino on Mar 5, 2019 23:12:46 GMT
All 3 have great action and visuals yet somehow cap marvels screenplay is superior? And nearly all of mcu films are generic blockbusters yet only MoS gets criticised for that. There is no neutrality Well it depends if the downsides are in equal measure too. Aquaman was praised for the visuals and for being fun but it was criticised for the story and dialogue. Captain Marvel might also have good visuals and be a lot of fun in the same way but it might not have a weak story and dialogue. Man of Steel they said was generic but it was criticised for it's pacing and character development also. Captain Marvel could also be generic but might not have issues with it's pacing (it is 20 minutes shorter) and character development. So far Captain Marvel has an average rating of 7.04 whereas Man of Steel has a 6.25 and Aquaman a 6.05. From the balanced reviews on Cap Marvel it seems like a straight forward plot. Even the more positive reviews dont really mention it, instead giving praise to the action, visuals, Nick Fury, Goose the Cat, Ben Mendelson and world building. I dont think these movies are judged equally, which may be natural because goodwill from previous instalments in the franchise will subconsciously affect a critics take on a new release. I think this could end up 75-80 range which would be unexpected
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Post by damngumby on Mar 5, 2019 23:14:05 GMT
Whats funny is look at the RT scores and consensus for: Aquaman 65% : Aquaman swims with its entertainingly ludicrous tide, offering up CGI superhero spectacle that delivers energetic action with an emphasis on good old-fashioned fun. Man of Steel 56% : Man of Steel's exhilarating action and spectacle can't fully overcome its detours into generic blockbuster territory. Captain Marvel 82%* : Packed with action, humor, and visual thrills, Captain Marvel introduces the MCU's latest hero with an origin story that makes effective use of the franchise's signature formula. See the disparity. Aquaman described as good old fashioned fun but barely gets fresh. Man of Steel is supposedly generic and gets rotten. Captain Marvel is described both fun and formulaic yet gets over 80%. All 3 have great action and visuals yet somehow cap marvels screenplay is superior? And nearly all of mcu films are generic blockbusters yet only MoS gets criticised for that. There is no neutrality Looks like the RT consensus summary was trying to boost Aquaman and Man of Steel, despite their middling reviews.
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Post by charzhino on Mar 5, 2019 23:15:15 GMT
Infinity War has an 85% rating. Let's not pretend that MoS or Aquaman is anywhere near as good as IW.ย No but the disparity between MoS, Aquaman and Cap Marvel is pretty big right now. Have to wait and see if the story/script really is better than those 2.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 5, 2019 23:19:09 GMT
Infinity War has an 85% rating. Let's not pretend that MoS or Aquaman is anywhere near as good as IW. No but the disparity between MoS, Aquaman and Cap Marvel is pretty big right now. Have to wait and see if the story/script really is better than those 2. MoS and Aquaman suffered from issues that no MCU movie has suffered from, which is probably why they're also rated lower than MCU movies. The disparity between them and Captain Marvel isn't really that surprising if Captain Marvel is even at least as good as the average MCU movie.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Mar 5, 2019 23:19:13 GMT
Don't want to derail thread. RT at 83% now That means it's better than 5/6 DCEU movies.
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Post by scabab on Mar 5, 2019 23:22:15 GMT
That means it's better than 5/6 DCEU movies. There ain't really a need to be saying this. It's not a competition and from what I recall it's not like Charzhino is a DC Fanboy or anything.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Mar 5, 2019 23:22:38 GMT
83% if it was a fox movie = 71% DC=51% SONY MOVIE=61% What a joke. I would like to have a word with this critics giving it good revie for cgi and jokes. Whats funny is look at the RT scores and consensus for: Aquaman 65% : Aquaman swims with its entertainingly ludicrous tide, offering up CGI superhero spectacle that delivers energetic action with an emphasis on good old-fashioned fun. Man of Steel 56% : Man of Steel's exhilarating action and spectacle can't fully overcome its detours into generic blockbuster territory. Captain Marvel 82%* : Packed with action, humor, and visual thrills, Captain Marvel introduces the MCU's latest hero with an origin story that makes effective use of the franchise's signature formula. See the disparity. Aquaman described as good old fashioned fun but barely gets fresh. Man of Steel is supposedly generic and gets rotten. Captain Marvel is described both fun and formulaic yet gets over 80%. All 3 have great action and visuals yet somehow cap marvels screenplay is superior? And nearly all of mcu films are generic blockbusters yet only MoS gets criticised for that. There is no neutrality Well let's be fair here; Aquaman was just fine. Not the highest quality the DCEU has to offer, and Man of Steel was garbage. MOS was the generic destruction porn blockbuster with gaping holes in its writing and tons of stupidity. You haven't seen Captain Marvel. What if it IS better than those 2?
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Post by sostie on Mar 5, 2019 23:35:40 GMT
Whats funny is look at the RT scores and consensus for: Aquaman 65% : Aquaman swims with its entertainingly ludicrous tide, offering up CGI superhero spectacle that delivers energetic action with an emphasis on good old-fashioned fun. Man of Steel 56% : Man of Steel's exhilarating action and spectacle can't fully overcome its detours into generic blockbuster territory. Captain Marvel 82%* : Packed with action, humor, and visual thrills, Captain Marvel introduces the MCU's latest hero with an origin story that makes effective use of the franchise's signature formula. See the disparity. Aquaman described as good old fashioned fun but barely gets fresh. Man of Steel is supposedly generic and gets rotten. Captain Marvel is described both fun and formulaic yet gets over 80%. All 3 have great action and visuals yet somehow cap marvels screenplay is superior? And nearly all of mcu films are generic blockbusters yet only MoS gets criticised for that. There is no neutrality Well let's be fair here; Aquaman was just fine. Not the highest quality the DCEU has to offer, and Man of Steel was garbage. MOS was the generic destruction porn blockbuster with gaping holes in its writing and tons of stupidity. You haven't seen Captain Marvel. What if it IS better than those 2? I think MOS and Aquaman may be my fave DCEU films. MOS has many flaws but it's new take on the character, who for me is the dullest of the big comic book characters, was refreshing and ambitious. Aquaman is just ridiculous fun, with some great unintentional laughs
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Mar 5, 2019 23:39:02 GMT
Well let's be fair here; Aquaman was just fine. Not the highest quality the DCEU has to offer, and Man of Steel was garbage. MOS was the generic destruction porn blockbuster with gaping holes in its writing and tons of stupidity. You haven't seen Captain Marvel. What if it IS better than those 2? I think MOS and Aquaman may be my fave DCEU films. MOS has many flaws but it's new take on the character, who for me is the dullest of the big comic book characters, was refreshing and ambitious. Aquaman is just ridiculous fun, with some great unintentional laughs I think Cavill's Superman was even duller than the Superman from the comics. No personality, not much of a character, and just moped around the movie. Although Cavill's performance was worst in BvS. Agree with you about Aquaman.
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Post by summers8 on Mar 5, 2019 23:41:40 GMT
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Post by sostie on Mar 5, 2019 23:45:16 GMT
I think MOS and Aquaman may be my fave DCEU films. MOS has many flaws but it's new take on the character, who for me is the dullest of the big comic book characters, was refreshing and ambitious. Aquaman is just ridiculous fun, with some great unintentional laughs I think Cavill's Superman was even duller than the Superman from the comics. No personality, not much of a character, and just moped around the movie. Although Cavill's performance was worst in BvS. Agree with you about Aquaman. Cavill didn't really have much to work with. He can be pretty great with the right material...Mission Impossible and Man From UNCLE (underrated film) showed that. As a character Superman is supremely dull, but he also has a mythos which I think Snyder sometimes exploited quite well, especially in the Day Of Dead montage in BvS (one of the few highlights in that turd)
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Post by janntosh on Mar 5, 2019 23:47:51 GMT
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 5, 2019 23:49:47 GMT
I think Cavill's Superman was even duller than the Superman from the comics. No personality, not much of a character, and just moped around the movie. Although Cavill's performance was worst in BvS. Agree with you about Aquaman. Cavill didn't really have much to work with. He can be pretty great with the right material...Mission Impossible and Man From UNCLE (underrated film) showed that. As a character Superman is supremely dull, but he also has a mythos which I think Snyder sometimes exploited quite well, especially in the Day Of Dead montage in BvS (one of the few highlights in that turd) I agree that Cavill was not to blame for Superman's poor reception in MOS and BvS, but I disagree that it's because Superman the character is dull. I mean, Captain America is cut from the same cloth as Superman (the boyscout stereotype) but the MCU managed to make Captain America interesting without deviating from his core personality.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Mar 5, 2019 23:52:40 GMT
summers8 this thread is for the reviews.
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Post by sostie on Mar 5, 2019 23:59:45 GMT
Cavill didn't really have much to work with. He can be pretty great with the right material...Mission Impossible and Man From UNCLE (underrated film) showed that. As a character Superman is supremely dull, but he also has a mythos which I think Snyder sometimes exploited quite well, especially in the Day Of Dead montage in BvS (one of the few highlights in that turd) I agree that Cavill was not to blame for Superman's poor reception in MOS and BvS, but I disagree that it's because Superman the character is dull. I mean, Captain America is cut from the same cloth as Superman (the boyscout stereotype) but the MCU managed to make Captain America interesting without deviating from his core personality. Oh I find him utterly dull for the most part. Goody two shoes by day, goody two shoes by night, never really exploring (at least in film, and most of the comics) whether or why he should be benevolent or evil, or how is the ultimate outsider until MOS. Plus there's the power set....super strength, flight etc and the only weakness is a lump of rock which has to be squeezed into every story. But anyway..I think we've all gone off topic
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Post by darkpast on Mar 5, 2019 23:59:55 GMT
Do we need official spoiler thread?
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